[Aliblahba]

(07-23-2013 02:34 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

I think 20nation was on here saying he eats $2 meals.

I'm eating $2-3 dollar meals every day. Right here in ATL.

[christpuncher]

I ate perfectly fine all through college on $5 per day. That included copious amounts of cheap meat. I'm also in Canada, so that's About 3-4 dollars per day in the states.
Show me the frozen dinner and McDonalds diet that Only costs four bucks per day...

[Kickb]

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I'm eating $2-3 dollar meals every day. Right here in ATL.

[Aliblahba]

Nothing is impossible in my kitchen. Southern cooking is the best and people learned way back how to eat cheap and healthy.

Breakfast
2 eggs
2 slices bacon
Homemade biscuits/gravy
Coffee

Under $2

Lunch
1 mater sammich
1 handful of tater chips
1 piece of veggie
1 glass of milk

Under $2

Dinner "Plata del dia"
Pinto beans
Cornbread
Roasted tater
Coleslaw
Meat
Infused H20

approx. $3, depending on meat.

Fancy cooking takes the cost up to $5-8. Most of my crockpot meals come up to less than $1 per large bowl, including the side of bread.

I make this all the time and it's cheap, healthy, and easy. Courtesy of Ali's kitchen.


   





Questions?

[LeBeau]

(07-24-2013 01:31 PM)A War You Cannot Win Wrote:  

I think the elite and wealthy purposes engineer the lower class to abstain from exercise, eat nutrient starved calories, and keep them distracted and distant from focusing and applying themselves. Make them easier to control and dictate their spending habits.

-Don't need to worry about a violent revolution when the masses are stupid, unhealthy, and distracted by consumerism

I don't really buy into this conspiracy theory.

In fact, it would be in everyone's interests for health care costs to go down, and productivity to improve with people having more energy, focus, etc.

The wealthy would especially benefit, since they pay a larger share in taxes to support other people's liabilities.

Owners and execs would also pay out less in terms of sick days, insurance, etc. and they would be able to squeeze more out of the front line workers

And this is just talking on an economic level, obviously there's tons of benefits socially and aesthetically to have fewer unhealthy people.

It could also be argued that consumerism and materialism is even more prevalent at the top income levels (i.e. brand whores).

Obviously there's often a lot of greed at the top, but I think people will exploit opportunities for profit when they see it, that's where the abuse of subsidies and lobbying for junk food exceptions comes in.

I doubt there's many nefarious round table discussions going on with elites trying to create a fatter, more insulin spiking society.

[kosko]

(07-23-2013 03:11 PM)Menace Wrote:  

Even 1% ain't shit. Real wealth starts in the 0.1% and up. You can eat cheaply and you can eat real food, but you need personal discipline and some brains, two things many poor people often lack. Alternatively, their lives are so shit during the day, that they just want the gratification that Doritos provide (but broccoli and rice would not provide).

You can eat a clean diet easily: frozen veggies, peanut butter, oat meal, brown rice, beans, eggs, sweet potatoes, canned fish. None of this stuff is outrageously expensive. I assume that WIC/TANF covers all these products. In fact, I think one way to control obesity would be to restrict what government assistance can be used for. I would abolish its use for any soft drink or dessert items.

Time is a big thing to. Poor people have to put in more hours for less return -- your hard pressed to eat good when you have no time to make good meals, if Mcdees is cheap and fast you'll eat that trash. 

WIC/TANF does not cover that much it appears but basically mostly family's get that, many with young kids. All that baby shit will burn through that money and your left getting chips and pop for food. The Gov't makes it worse because they price factor WIC/TANF and all assistance on "replacements" and "Calories". If your getting your protein from salt and fad packed beef hot dogs the Gov't doesn't factor in its pretty much dog food, and just looks as it as "Beef Protein" product. The Govt via its assistance programs views some shit ass chub meat the same as a steak, and they view a Mcdees hamburger the same as a a regular hamburger this how they get away paying so low for food benefits each month. 

Some of it is indeed ignorance tough you see them old Chinese lady's spending next to nothing on groceries and still eating okay -- most Americans ain't trying to make fish broth out of fish heads and soak beans overnight. 

Crock pot shit is cheap, eggs are cheap, its hard to get good protein for cheap but if your resourceful and by in bulk for a family its doable - Mario Batali was able to get by being crafty and extremely strategic in what he purchased. But he has the time and expertise to think these things through.

[Veloce]

(07-24-2013 12:46 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(07-24-2013 11:54 AM)thedude3737 Wrote:  

Peasants all over the world have been making hearty and nutritious food for thousands of years. They've had far fewer resources than the modern American McFamily has. This isn't about being unable to afford real food, it's about a broken, ignorant culture.

Right, but those peasants had access to real food.

Check out a ghetto grocery store and see if you can get Ahi grade tuna or fresh Rillettes.

It would be an interesting study, but I think with the proliferation of American junk food, I would bet peasants around the world are eating a lot more of that stuff too.

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these people are buying frozen meals, soda, ice cream, and snacks galore.

That is because that sh*t is cheap.

A two liter bottle of Coke, .89 cents.

A 236ml bottle of Pomegranate juice is $10.

Yeah but I'm not talking about rillettes or pomegranate juice. The chicken doesn't have to be organic. Hell, you can find frozen dark meat for $1.99/lb.

I know it gets scary in middle America but I still maintain that if anyone was serious about eating "real" food they could do it. Start with frozen. Frozen peas, frozen succotash mix, frozen corn. Heat that up and add a pinch of poultry spice and a little knob of butter spread. That's still a million times better than a microwaved frozen entree, and all it requires is opening a bag, pouring the contents into a cheap aluminum pot that can be bought for $4, and heating it up with some fat. I think even that simple process is too far beyond many Americans with poor lifestyle habits.

I haven't even brought up non-necessary luxuries. The problem in the U.S. is everyone feels entitled to an iPhone, cable TV, high speed internet access, etc, but when it comes time to drop some money on food they freak out. According to Michael Pollan, probably the smartest person alive when it comes to the food as it relates to anthropology, there was a time in recent history when people spent up to half of their income on food. This was right before the Industrial Revolution apparently.

Now it's about 6% of their income on food and the average american spends less on food than any other country, period (as a percentage of their income)

It's all backwards.

[MikeCF]

LOL at 1% "ain't shit."

Some of you little boys really need to get out more in real life and stop pretending to be ballers online:

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The Times had estimated the threshold for being in the top 1 percent in household income at about $380,000, 7.5 times median household income, using census data from 2008 through 2010. But for net worth, the 1 percent threshold for net worth in the Fed data was nearly $8.4 million, or 69 times the median household’s net holdings of $121,000.

Some readers wondered if the 1 percent by wealth weren’t an entirely different group of people from the 1 percent by income. But there is substantial overlap: the Fed data suggests that about half of the top 1 percent of earners are also among the top 1 percent in the net worth category.

Of course if you're earning 400K a year or worth more than 8.4 million, by all means, "Drop a data sheet."

[Cattle Rustler]

(07-23-2013 02:28 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

Great list. Fascinating stuff.

What does this one mean???

(07-23-2013 01:09 PM)Divorco Wrote:  

8. 80% of wealthy make hbd calls vs. 11% of poor

What's hbd?

This. What's HBD?

I googled it but the results keeping bringing the acronym rather than spelling it out.

[iknowexactly]

(07-23-2013 01:18 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

Makes sense. Look at obesity data. NYC and SF are both usually listed as fit cities.

I've only lived in "nice" areas for the past 15 years. I forget there is even an obesity epidemic until I get on an airplane.

Obama beat Republican challenger Mitt Romney by 81 percent to 18 percent in the nation’s largest city.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-01-09...years.html

In Manhattan, the obesity rate is only 15.4 percent

http://www.cnu.org/cnu-salons/2012/10/sp...case-study

[MikeCF]

(07-25-2013 01:41 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

(07-23-2013 01:18 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

Makes sense. Look at obesity data. NYC and SF are both usually listed as fit cities.

I've only lived in "nice" areas for the past 15 years. I forget there is even an obesity epidemic until I get on an airplane.

Obama beat Republican challenger Mitt Romney by 81 percent to 18 percent in the nation’s largest city.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-01-09...years.html

In Manhattan, the obesity rate is only 15.4 percent

http://www.cnu.org/cnu-salons/2012/10/sp...case-study

Coastal elite liberals are very judgmental people.

If you are fat you will be mostly an outcast in those circles.

They make fat jokes about people who live in Texas. They might not say, "We hate fat people," as liberals are too passive aggressive to say what they really mean. But if you read between the lines, you get a lot of fat shaming out of them.

D.C. seems to be an exception, with fat white girls running amok.

In liberal enclaves like SF (and that includes the surrounding areas like Marin County and Silicone Vallee), you're not going to see many fat white people.

In the wealthy parts of L.A. (think the "West Side"), the only fat people you see are the Mexican help hired by the thin white liberals.

Live around liberals and you'll meet some of the most mean-spirited, passive-aggressive, judgmental people in your life. They have no tolerance for people "not like us."

Which means you might be at a dinner party and out of 16 or more people, won't see a single fattie in the group.

[Balboa]

(07-25-2013 01:10 AM)MikeCF Wrote:  

LOL at 1% "ain't shit."

Some of you little boys really need to get out more in real life and stop pretending to be ballers online:

Of course if you're earning 400K a year or worth more than 8.4 million, by all means, "Drop a data sheet."

Thing is, the top 0.1% (the top 300,000 people in America, or considering that includes wives and children, maybe about 100,000 elite heads of household) is actually a different social class from merely the top 1% with their net worth of 10 million. The top 0.1% are the real owners of the nation, movers and shakers, the rest of the top 1% are more the local neighborhood successful folks.

[kosko]

(07-25-2013 01:28 AM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  

(07-23-2013 02:28 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

Great list. Fascinating stuff.

What does this one mean???

(07-23-2013 01:09 PM)Divorco Wrote:  

8. 80% of wealthy make hbd calls vs. 11% of poor

What's hbd?

This. What's HBD?

I googled it but the results keeping bringing the acronym rather than spelling it out.

HappyBirthDay

[MikeCF]

(07-25-2013 02:08 AM)Balboa Wrote:  

Thing is, the top 0.1% (the top 300,000 people in America, or considering that includes wives and children, maybe about 100,000 elite heads of household) is actually a different social class from merely the top 1% with their net worth of 10 million. The top 0.1% are the real owners of the nation, movers and shakers, the rest of the top 1% are more the local neighborhood successful folks.

How many people do you know in the .01%?

Based on your personal experience as a guest in their homes, traveling with them, etc., how do they live?

In my personal experience, they aren't all that different from the 1%.

But if your personal experience is different, I'd love to hear it.

It's good to hear from guys with different experiences. That's the point of a message board - to share knowledge.

However, it seems that a lot of people throw around things like "1% ain't shit" when they don't actually have access to or experience with people of high wealth.

That's just silliness or repeating things read online rather than sharing actual knowledge gains from personal experience.

[Drazen]

(07-24-2013 12:46 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

Right, but those peasants had access to real food.

Check out a ghetto grocery store and see if you can get Ahi grade tuna or fresh Rillettes.

The "ghetto" grocery stores around here in LA are mexican and asian markets. And then if you can ever get to "Super King" around Glendale/Eagle Rock which is a middle eastern market?

Extremely cheap fish (at the asian markets at least), poultry, pork products and especially produce. The amount of great produce at mexican markets is way better than some of the more organic upscale markets here on the westside. You can get a bunch of apples, spinach, kale for a fraction of what it is at whole foods. Asian markets are great...you can't tell me that a great number of asians don't eat healthy, they spend very little on food costs there buying sensibly. Lots of seafood, at least it looks pretty fresh?

i follow this guy on instagram, he has good tips on eating healthy on the cheap. puts cost per meal down on some of his posts.

http://instagram.com/myfreshbite

[thegmanifesto]

(07-25-2013 02:02 AM)MikeCF Wrote:  

D.C. seems to be an exception, with fat white girls running amok.

In liberal enclaves like SF (and that includes the surrounding areas like Marin County and Silicone Vallee), you're not going to see many fat white people.

In the wealthy parts of L.A. (think the "West Side"), the only fat people you see are the Mexican help hired by the thin white liberals.

DC is really not obese at all. It is pretty slim.

You won't see the 300-700 pounders that you see in Red States or in airports.

I would guess that most of the fat people you see in DC are either tourists or Red Staters that moved there.

The problem with DC people is they aren't in really good shape. They work too much and there is no sun for most of the year.

They are not fat, but they are not in shape either.

[WestCoast]

It's funny somehow people will believe income is wealth. Look at the study just dropped, 1% in wealth is $8.4M versus 1% in household income being $380K...

Lets see... So 5% on $8.4M... That's $420K... That's more than the "1%" earn in a single year if you look at income alone.

So the top 1% in wealth is in the top 1% in income if they spent their lives jerking off on a beach all day long.

I can't take studies seriously that use $100K a year or $200K a year in income as rich. Hell run any tax on that and you quickly see money is about household wealth not income.

[Dr. Howard]

(07-24-2013 01:31 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(07-24-2013 01:11 PM)StealthAlpha Wrote:  

frozen dinners aren't cheap. they're like 4 to 5 bucks. When chicken is on sale here I can get it for 69cents a pound

Where the hell are you getting these prices, Walmart in Mississippi with salmonella chicken? And the cashier is ringing up up wrong too?

I don't think I have seen those prices since 1987.

Organic Chicken is usually $3-8 dollars per pound. Or more.

I can get chicken on sale for this price. Southeastern US, not organic but a grade above walmart quality. At walmart it goes on sale for 59 cents.

PS the comments on the original site are 'the usual' some smug looking woman attacking rich people etc.

[DVY]

There is working rich who've worked 20+ years and saved up, or theres inherited rich. Thats should be the real metric of "wealth". I've met .1% to 1% to 10%. The difference is minimal to be honest, except in the price of the house, toys, and dinners. But as a rule, the "rich" values aesthetics/health much more than those who struggling everyday to put food on their table.

[thegmanifesto]

(07-25-2013 09:44 AM)wiscanada Wrote:  

(07-24-2013 01:31 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(07-24-2013 01:11 PM)StealthAlpha Wrote:  

frozen dinners aren't cheap. they're like 4 to 5 bucks. When chicken is on sale here I can get it for 69cents a pound

Where the hell are you getting these prices, Walmart in Mississippi with salmonella chicken? And the cashier is ringing up up wrong too?

I don't think I have seen those prices since 1987.

Organic Chicken is usually $3-8 dollars per pound. Or more.

I can get chicken on sale for this price. Southeastern US, not organic but a grade above walmart quality. At walmart it goes on sale for 59 cents.

So, I was kind of making a joke, but I was dead on.

I have never seen those prices anywhere I have been.

[Aliblahba]

(07-25-2013 10:49 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(07-25-2013 09:44 AM)wiscanada Wrote:  

(07-24-2013 01:31 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(07-24-2013 01:11 PM)StealthAlpha Wrote:  

frozen dinners aren't cheap. they're like 4 to 5 bucks. When chicken is on sale here I can get it for 69cents a pound

Where the hell are you getting these prices, Walmart in Mississippi with salmonella chicken? And the cashier is ringing up up wrong too?

I don't think I have seen those prices since 1987.

Organic Chicken is usually $3-8 dollars per pound. Or more.

I can get chicken on sale for this price. Southeastern US, not organic but a grade above walmart quality. At walmart it goes on sale for 59 cents.

So, I was kind of making a joke, but I was dead on.

I have never seen those prices anywhere I have been.

Ignorant people shop at Walmart. Quality chicken on sale here costs 1.20 per lb.

http://www.ingles-markets.com/weekly/7.2...le=Georgia

Ingles is a good regional store. Publix is where the "rich" people shop, but are paying more for the same thing usually. Their meat and deli are better though. Both store have london broil on sale. $2.38 at Ingles, $3.99 Publix. There is no difference in a cut of meat when you put it in the crock pot, or how I do them over mesquite.

I shop here:

http://www.aofwc.com/index.aspx

Walmart prices but far better quality. It's the size of a superstore too! It's a 40 minute drive, but the savings pays for the gas, plus the place is chock full of foreign pussy. Chicken sales for around .69 lb, and is cut up and sold in a heavy plastic bag. Not sexy, but who cares? Rich people don't shop here, but rather peasants that know quality food on the cheap. They make fresh chicharron, and the fish monger there is HUGE! I've spent 30 minutes waiting for my order. Those little Asian women don't play in the fish line.

The place also has a Korean deli, and the prices on sushi are a fraction you get at a restro or even in Publix or Kroger. The sheer volume of sales keeps the prices down. Any players that reside in ATL not shopping here is missing out.

[Dr. Howard]

(07-25-2013 11:16 AM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

(07-25-2013 10:49 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(07-25-2013 09:44 AM)wiscanada Wrote:  

(07-24-2013 01:31 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(07-24-2013 01:11 PM)StealthAlpha Wrote:  

frozen dinners aren't cheap. they're like 4 to 5 bucks. When chicken is on sale here I can get it for 69cents a pound

Where the hell are you getting these prices, Walmart in Mississippi with salmonella chicken? And the cashier is ringing up up wrong too?

I don't think I have seen those prices since 1987.

Organic Chicken is usually $3-8 dollars per pound. Or more.

I can get chicken on sale for this price. Southeastern US, not organic but a grade above walmart quality. At walmart it goes on sale for 59 cents.

So, I was kind of making a joke, but I was dead on.

I have never seen those prices anywhere I have been.

Ignorant people shop at Walmart. Quality chicken on sale here costs 1.20 per lb.

http://www.ingles-markets.com/weekly/7.2...le=Georgia

Ingles is a good regional store. Publix is where the "rich" people shop, but are paying more for the same thing usually. Their meat and deli are better though. Both store have london broil on sale. $2.38 at Ingles, $3.99 Publix. There is no difference in a cut of meat when you put it in the crock pot, or how I do them over mesquite.

I shop here:

http://www.aofwc.com/index.aspx

Walmart prices but far better quality. It's the size of a superstore too! It's a 40 minute drive, but the savings pays for the gas, plus the place is chock full of foreign pussy. Chicken sales for around .69 lb, and is cut up and sold in a heavy plastic bag. Not sexy, but who cares? Rich people don't shop here, but rather peasants that know quality food on the cheap. They make fresh chicharron, and the fish monger there is HUGE! I've spent 30 minutes waiting for my order. Those little Asian women don't play in the fish line.

The place also has a Korean deli, and the prices on sushi are a fraction you get at a restro or even in Publix or Kroger. The sheer volume of sales keeps the prices down. Any players that reside in ATL not shopping here is missing out.

yep, thats what I get, the unsexy 69 cents a pound bags. From a small grocery store down the street that specializes in meat. That seems to be the price break if you buy cuts in 10b+ sizes. Bring it home, do the meal sized cuts myself. I think walmart gets the leftovers from the 69 cents a pound company for their 59 cents per pound bags.

I also second Korean grocery stores/deli. If you know what to buy they are awesome, find a Korean friend.

Meat at Walmart in Canada is way more expensive but also isn't as low grade as america's. The meat is the right colour which is a good sign.

[roberto]

Over in Britain we have what's called a 'cash and carry'. It's where restaurants, shopkeepers and pub landlords buy stock to resell, either as meals or off shelves.

If you're self employed (ie. run your own business) then you can usually get a card. I love it. You walk in, grab an industrial sized trolley, and it's basically a giant warehouse inside. I stick to the catering section- if you're dilligent enough to save for a month's shopping at once (think 2KG of cheese, a whole pig belly, 10KG of rice, 5KG frozen green beans etc) then you'll pay half or less than it would cost to buy multiple small portions at a supermarket. Quality is very good- it's what pubs serve up for a Sunday lunch so standards are high. The butcher will cut your meat however you want, even season it for you, it's awesome.

What I like best about it is the lack of families, screaming kids, ignorant plebs; basically the lack of 90% of the British population. By policing entry with a policy that only allows access to someone with their own business, they have created the nicest shipping experience I've ever had the pleasure of. No queues, free car park right outside too.

Ali- you are so right about the crockpot dude. They're a lifesaver to a single man with a busy schedule. I love cooking, it comes naturally and I'd say I can cook better than 90% of the girls I've been with. But I don't usually have the time.

[Dr. Howard]

(07-24-2013 08:43 PM)kosko Wrote:  

(07-23-2013 03:11 PM)Menace Wrote:  

Even 1% ain't shit. Real wealth starts in the 0.1% and up. You can eat cheaply and you can eat real food, but you need personal discipline and some brains, two things many poor people often lack. Alternatively, their lives are so shit during the day, that they just want the gratification that Doritos provide (but broccoli and rice would not provide).

You can eat a clean diet easily: frozen veggies, peanut butter, oat meal, brown rice, beans, eggs, sweet potatoes, canned fish. None of this stuff is outrageously expensive. I assume that WIC/TANF covers all these products. In fact, I think one way to control obesity would be to restrict what government assistance can be used for. I would abolish its use for any soft drink or dessert items.

Time is a big thing to. Poor people have to put in more hours for less return -- your hard pressed to eat good when you have no time to make good meals, if Mcdees is cheap and fast you'll eat that trash. 

WIC/TANF does not cover that much it appears but basically mostly family's get that, many with young kids. All that baby shit will burn through that money and your left getting chips and pop for food. The Gov't makes it worse because they price factor WIC/TANF and all assistance on "replacements" and "Calories". If your getting your protein from salt and fad packed beef hot dogs the Gov't doesn't factor in its pretty much dog food, and just looks as it as "Beef Protein" product. The Govt via its assistance programs views some shit ass chub meat the same as a steak, and they view a Mcdees hamburger the same as a a regular hamburger this how they get away paying so low for food benefits each month. 

Some of it is indeed ignorance tough you see them old Chinese lady's spending next to nothing on groceries and still eating okay -- most Americans ain't trying to make fish broth out of fish heads and soak beans overnight. 

Crock pot shit is cheap, eggs are cheap, its hard to get good protein for cheap but if your resourceful and by in bulk for a family its doable - Mario Batali was able to get by being crafty and extremely strategic in what he purchased. But he has the time and expertise to think these things through.

WIC's Equivalent in Canada is very limited but WIC in the USA is a gravy train. In 2012 I had the good fortune to go grocery shopping with a mother and daughter who were on USA WIC. They had $300 plus to spend a month from this program and ate very well. Steak, organic everything and they still had a tough time burning it up every month. They were also the kind of people that were not on it permanently.

There's no reason to eat shit on WIC except personal choice.

[kosko]

^^ Mothers get hooked up good. Only experience I've had with Americans on food assistance was hearing what seniors had to go through and it was way more tight.

Looking at that website @Aliblahba posted you start to notice that American isn't getting those deals on food like it used too. Your prices have gone up and are comparable for many things here in Canada. The only things that are still dirt cheap in America or meat, milk, prepared meals, and snack foods. Stuff like fruits and veg are the same as here it looks like just from scanning those prices.

Food is creeping up in price a ton I can remember not to long ago when it was a lot more affordable to eat.