[scotian]

My adopted home town of Edmonton, Canada has been in the media lately over a controversial news story which will be of interest to many guys on here. A local men's rights group in E-town has posted signs around town informing women about the seriousness of false rape accusations and of course, this is pissing off lots of people (the usual suspects: feminists, liberal politicians, etc) but the campaign is raising awareness of a legitimate concern and is spreading to other Canadian cities.

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The campaign started in response to another campaign called "Don't Be That Guy", in which guy's were depicted in posters taking advantage of drunk women, I thought I started a thread on it but couldn't find it, but I did post pics on a different thread, which you can find here. That campaign was created by a group called SAVE (Sexual Assault Voices of Edmonton) and was no doubt funded by local government and was supported by the Edmonton police.

The more controversial, "Don't Be That Girl" campaign was created by Men's Rights Edmonton and likely didn't receive any government funding but is getting blasted in the media and the Edmonton police are speaking out about it too as it downplays the seriousness of legitimate rapes. Interesting to note that some of its most vocal members are actually women.

Its caused quite a debate in local media and as expected the people from SAVE aren't engaging in any kind of debate with the men's rights group, they actually refused to debate them (no surprise) but the entire issue is exposing the double standards which exist concerning the issue.

Links to media: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/s...sters.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/07/10/...75338.html

Radio: http://www.cbc.ca/player/Radio/Local+Sho...396284986/

News video: http://edmonton.ctvnews.ca/controversial...z2ZMaeUwqA

Also of note: Most of these posters were put up around the University of Alberta, which is home to that chick who tried to troll Roosh and he wrote the ROK article Brutal takedown of budding feminist writer, do you guys remember her?

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I put out a RVF bounty on that skank a few months ago (can't find the link), willing to buy drinks for any guy who had photographic evidence of tagging that cum dumpster, I figured Djembadjemba or Irishman would have hit that by now, the offer is still on the table boys!

[TheSlayer]

I saw this in the news a while ago. You know what was funny? The article I was reading had the Chief of Police (of Edmonton I presume) saying that only 1 or 2% of rape accusations were false and that these posters were going to deter rape victims from coming forward.


"1 or 2%"

[Wadsworth]

Relevant: http://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism/fem...-up-yours/

[A War You Cannot Win]

I don't see what's so hard about cataloging the divide and contrast of some guy in a ski mask raping a girl at knife point and some silly slut drinking too much at 'da club' and regretting the lay who she willingly agreed to the previous night.

[Wadsworth]

(07-18-2013 10:29 PM)A War You Cannot Win Wrote:  

I don't see what's so hard about cataloging the divide and contrast of some guy in a ski mask raping a girl at knife point and some silly slut drinking too much at 'da club' and regretting the lay who she willingly agreed to the previous night.

Because:

[DLZ]

Quote:

Downplays the seriousness of actual rape

This is a great way of framing the debate, as well as being absolutely true.

It's clear feminists do not give a flying fuck about the lives of men ruined by this shit, so why not appeal to their own pathological obsession with rape? This may not win over the hardcore tumblr girls, but it'll definitely plant the seeds of skepticism in the more moderate girls:

"For every woman who fraudently accuses a man of rape, a real victim will be afraid to come forward"

Or something to that effect. This is absolutely true, as well. You need to inoculate a culture of false-accuser shaming within the female population, because appeals to, y'know, not being a terrible person are unlikely to work when the sisterhood presumes the man is guilty 100% on just the accusation.

Any attempts at shaming false acusers by men are easily written off as patriarchy enabling rape culture misogyny check your privilege cisgender blah blah blah.

[WanderingSoul]

Good for them.

[Walderschmidt]

MRAs doing something. Small. But something nonetheless.

[Statsi]

Great campaign. I love the hamsters saying 'just telling people not to do something isn't the way to go about it' without a sense a irony. Hysterical stuff.

[Sombro]

(07-18-2013 10:59 PM)DLZ Wrote:  

Quote:

Downplays the seriousness of actual rape

"For every woman who fraudently accuses a man of rape, a real victim will be afraid to come forward"

I used to think this but there is a logical disconnect.

False accusations do downplay the seriousness of actual rape,
but if a woman who fraudulently accuses a man of rape is punished, why would a real victim of rape be afraid to report it?

The old answer was that "women aren't believed," but nowadays with DNA testing, rape kits, rape hysteria, and the not-uncommon occurence of false rape allegations, it seems the pendulum has swung in the opposite direction (way more means to determine an actual rape, he said/she said theatrics notwithstanding). Are too many women believed? (rhetorical ques.)
If so in this day and age, why would a real victim not report it?

[Pola]

The false rape accusations are actually , according to different studies,
between 41% false claims and 90% false claims

Jordan (2004)68 out of 164 41% ("false" claims)
Kanin (1994)45 out of 10941%
Gregory and Lees (1996)49 out of 10945%
Maclean (1979)16 out of 3447%
Stewart (1981)16 out of 1890%

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8135653

[placer]

I personally say about 20% of rape claims are false: http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-22090.html

[ghostdog]

Why do women take these kinds of pics? They're just sitting alone making these expressions at a camera like mentally insane people.

[Samseau]

(07-19-2013 02:06 PM)ghostdog Wrote:  



Why do women take these kinds of pics? They're just sitting alone making these expressions at a camera like mentally insane people.

Because they are crazy

http://www.rooshv.com/25-percent-of-amer...ntally-ill

[ghostdog]

of course they're crazy. they have a different idea in their heads about how it looks like to other people. maybe they think looking crazy means looking deep

these pics are so annoying

[Therapsid]

(07-19-2013 02:53 PM)ghostdog Wrote:  

of course they're crazy. they have a different idea in their heads about how it looks like to other people. maybe they think looking crazy means looking deep

these pics are so annoying

Bear in mind how recent a phenomenon this is. I don't even remember girls doing this twenty years ago. It seems to have arisen only in the 2000's, presumably with the expansion of the web and social media.

What's notable is that these chicks are consciously making themselves *less* attractive when they do extreme facial poses like this. My feeling is that this is an implicit message to men in today's debased sexual market to the effect of - "You'll still beg for my pussy no matter what I do, how much weight I gain, and how unfeminine I act."

The other aspect to it is that photos like these are insincere. Normally facial expressions match up with someone's internal emotional state. These kinds of extreme, almost Japanese anime-style facial gesticulations are a kind of mask, covering up the girl's fucked up psychological makeup.

[ghostdog]

(07-19-2013 03:03 PM)Therapsid Wrote:  

Bear in mind how recent a phenomenon this is. I don't even remember girls doing this twenty years ago. It seems to have arisen only in the 2000's, presumably with the expansion of the web and social media.

What's notable is that these chicks are consciously making themselves *less* attractive when they do extreme facial poses like this. My feeling is that this is an implicit message to men in today's debased sexual market to the effect of - "You'll still beg for my pussy no matter what I do, how much weight I gain, and how unfeminine I act."

The other aspect to it is that photos like these are insincere. Normally facial expressions match up with someone's internal emotional state. These kinds of extreme, almost Japanese anime-style facial gesticulations are a kind of mask, covering up the girl's fucked up psychological makeup.

You are right. The psychology of this is unsettling.
Chicks in their prime do this as a way of risk taking. Note how the girl I posted tries to look pretty and feminine in the first pic, sending the message "you want me, I am fertile and available" and then looks hideous and insane in the last one. Then you're supposed to look back to the first photograph and still want her. I have no doubt that she has some personality disorder. No one who sits in a room alone making faces at a camera is normal. People will fuck her when she is young and crazy, but they will look at her as human garbage when she is old and mentally unstable and she is headed there.

People try to look crazy on purpose in photographs, even guys with their beer bottles. Their stupid personalities can't stay out of the two dimension world.

[Blackhawk]

What is it about girls with extreme myopia that so many are stunted in their emotional growth?

Her glasses are strong enough to bend her head at the frame edge. Any thicker and her glasses would start spontaneous forest fires from the sun.

Is there something about having handicapped vision that makes them alone and immature?

[ghostdog]

(07-19-2013 03:24 PM)Blackhawk Wrote:  

What is it about girls with extreme myopia that so many are stunted in their emotional growth?

Her glasses are strong enough to bend her head at the frame edge. Any thicker and her glasses would start spontaneous forest fires from the sun.

Is there something about having handicapped vision that makes them alone and immature?

Myopia is linked to high IQ.

High IQ women are crazy.

[nek]

(07-19-2013 03:16 PM)ghostdog Wrote:  

(07-19-2013 03:03 PM)Therapsid Wrote:  

Bear in mind how recent a phenomenon this is. I don't even remember girls doing this twenty years ago. It seems to have arisen only in the 2000's, presumably with the expansion of the web and social media.

What's notable is that these chicks are consciously making themselves *less* attractive when they do extreme facial poses like this. My feeling is that this is an implicit message to men in today's debased sexual market to the effect of - "You'll still beg for my pussy no matter what I do, how much weight I gain, and how unfeminine I act."

The other aspect to it is that photos like these are insincere. Normally facial expressions match up with someone's internal emotional state. These kinds of extreme, almost Japanese anime-style facial gesticulations are a kind of mask, covering up the girl's fucked up psychological makeup.

You are right. The psychology of this is unsettling.
Chicks in their prime do this as a way of risk taking. Note how the girl I posted tries to look pretty and feminine in the first pic, sending the message "you want me, I am fertile and available" and then looks hideous and insane in the last one. Then you're supposed to look back to the first photograph and still want her. I have no doubt that she has some personality disorder. No one who sits in a room alone making faces at a camera is normal. People will fuck her when she is young and crazy, but they will look at her as human garbage when she is old and mentally unstable and she is headed there.

People try to look crazy on purpose in photographs, even guys with their beer bottles. Their stupid personalities can't stay out of the two dimension world.

It's the handicap principle. Kind of like if Mike Tyson walked around in skin tight leopard print pants. He can do it and you still wouldn't say shit to him. And if you did, it's not b/c you're a bad ass, it's because you're dumb.

[nek]

On a separate note, I'd hit it.

[Vendetta]

(07-18-2013 10:59 PM)DLZ Wrote:  

Quote:

Downplays the seriousness of actual rape

This is a great way of framing the debate, as well as being absolutely true.

It's clear feminists do not give a flying fuck about the lives of men ruined by this shit, so why not appeal to their own pathological obsession with rape? This may not win over the hardcore tumblr girls, but it'll definitely plant the seeds of skepticism in the more moderate girls:

"For every woman who fraudently accuses a man of rape, a real victim will be afraid to come forward"

http://www.speakaboos.com/story/the-boy-who-cried-wolf