Maybe we are confusing 'pleasure' with "pleasure" ?
Each gender gets it in its own way and it’s not the same.
The chase for the orgasm ('pleasure') motivates men and motivates society at large forward.
For females regardless of how polluted the Western female's mind is, and what chemical means she has to dodge reproduction; a female still gets her greatest "pleasure" from birthing and raising a newborn child. Supposedly women get warm tingly feelings all over from bonding with their child, it’s near euphoric for them unless they are completely damaged goods mentally.
A female's orgasm is more frequent and has more vigour then a male, if it was purely based on that then the dynamics of sex would have changed. The environment may have and also the rules we play by, but the old school dynamics and tenants of 'male --> seeking ---> Sex <---- Women receiving' is still there. Women can try to play the game all the want but they will continue to need all the meds and alcohol they can get their hands on to soothe the wounds and damage by doing so.
Nature Slut Shames:
Nature did not build them up to blast off bullets on the brain like that. Men can orgasm as many times, with as many different women and not lose anything over it, a female though literally takes a punch to the chin each time. Women can't chase the orgasm or nut; feminists are selling you women coal on this assumption because women literally fuck themselves up being sluts as the vagina/uterus does a lot of weird shit when it has been exposed to many different sperm from too many different partners. It starts to get out of whack and starts to mistake things that are generally a positive, as intruders and the body starts doing weird stuff during pregnancy that end up harming the child and mother (extreme changes to blood pressure and body temperature is a major one). Many carousel riders find out when it is their time (if they can even conceive minus the aid of fertility drugs) that they run into a shit ton of complications. Poster-girl of the celebrity slut age Kim Kardishan nearly died given birth to her child... nature's slut shaming in real time (
promiscuous girls get the smack down from nature). She had complications with blood pressure and it posed great harm to her and the baby, in old days she would have been in a crisis situation and may have been assured to loose her life. All her years of raw-dogging Alpha C-list celebrities came back to haunt her at her most important moment in life. Modern medicine saved her; nature gave her a massive upper-cut and hopefully a rude awakening.
Society did not need to hurl stones at sluts in old days -- nature took care of it all for us. A mother whom can protect the value of her eggs and uterus does not get the the evolutionary contract. For a man whom wants to be a omega schlub and not better himself to attract females to mate with him he loses also. Nature has its ways of making sure these people don't their genes forward.
Class?
In regards to class, lower class people from lower socio-economic environments will always win the fertility war. The hard-wire of the brain to pump out as many kids for survival and financial means will always be there.
The issue is that Men when on pursuit of being great and moving society forward historically were in the situation to provide for "accidents" as they came about, but that has been taking away somewhat now via the role of the State. The male still desires sex but the ability to harness that motivation into attributed that got him that sex are now gone.
For females they still desire children. My theory is just that women are just delusional in their process of mate selection these days. A woman doesn't know what a good prospective mate is that is ideal for baby-making/raising.
I am not in the camp that Alphas make ideal mates/fathers as there is threshold that gets broken in where the renegade alpha does not provide the best bang for the buck for a family unit. The modern female has made the alpha male the ideal mate out of mis-conceptions, and not after actual logical reasons. The limp-wristed beta isn't ideal either, but 60-80 years ago there was still a top-end and low end of Men.. beta and Alpha of course, but the middle pack of dudes were... well.... just Men, whom had high testosterone, worked hard, stable and were ideally suitable mates. Your father/grandpa wasn't a stone cold alpha male, he was just Man void of negative conditioning, free to be a real man.
That number or real men has dropped dramatically via the State and re-aligning of society so now women are kind of left lost not knowing what that good mate really is. The look over one shoulder and see cringe worthy betas, while on the other Alpha males, they run to the Alpha but they know damn well that he isn't a long term prospect but has no other option; the hamster is medicated, drunk, and confused.
The role of the old haggard women is to pass wisdom and support to young mothers. There was no youtube or books by SWPLs on how to feed your baby organic low fat cheese back in the day. Women learned how to be mother from their mothers, and their mothers’ mother. The modern old haggard woman whom has been taking for a ride by her career and the carousel lost the only real good feeling she could get from raising babies. The pack of a group of family would help raise children, if work needed to be done by younger mothers a elder could still offer nurturing support to the young children, it was a simple and effective system that worked for thousands of years. IMO the nuclear family was simply just a means to piece together what remained prior of that but it was not natures desirable system -- the pack/village was always superior. In modern times the Nuclear families whiten the community was the last gasp of this. Tight nigh neighbourhoods of long standing residents all chipped in to ensure their stability and prosperity of the children -- the men provided; the women maintained. Even as Architect mentioned that even past and beyond Menopause when a female is damaged goods from a baby-making perspective she still can get those "warm tingly feelings" from helping to raise children, still provides value in this (provided she has raised a kid herself).
A female can start to mimic male roles in regards to sex but nature pimp slaps them by carving out their reproductive organs, or nearly killing them for doing so. The female can lose her hard-wire traits but that is a evolutionary thing that will outlast Feminism or whatever follows it. What remains is that men want to fuck... a women still want baby... that has not changed (and IMO never will).
The Class argument is also real. Females have artificial class standing because without the State they would have no way to actually attain and keep their standings of class. When women move down the ladder they will seek and desire kids more, naturally, but there has to be a crop of class able men ready to fill that void also. It’s been us Men whom have been getting our class standings destroyed not women.
Women (and men) have been chasing the neurotic gains for quick stimulus of pleasure versus the long stimulus of euphoria that comes from children and moving society forawrd. A man can get with a million women but he values always more the power and prestige that granted him access to those million notches. The man always values the progress he makes more; the sex is just the carrot to make this all happen. Men now confuse the motivation and allocate time and effort to the wrong shit, while women confuse the signals and the ability to screen for proper things that a man gives off.
Both ends are confused on this. Will it fix itself? It has to or else we are fucked. I don't believe its a actually hard-wire shift in society, women are off their rails from delusion and medications that have shifted their motives while, men are having to run around with handcuffs on trying to change to keep a steady pipeline of sex open with every factor trying to cockblock them from doing what men do best -- lead, build, progress and provide. The quickest way for it to happen actually would be a rapid decline in socio-economic conditions.
A return back to poor rural life would spark the carnal need to pump out children again but that requires a lot of messed up shit to happen that nobody wants (conflict, upheaval, and change in full societal order). The elites/oligarchs whom run the show of course want everybody as cheap labour slaves, and poor. The idea of a neo-feudalism excites them but they don't want the ability to grow in numbers to tilt the scale of power in the poor favour. Population control is always key as if you don't you basically set up your downfall down the road when the improvised camps kids grow up and over-run you. The only thing that will truly be scary is if we see a decline in socio-economic standings with a continued drop in fertility rates like what is happening in the African-American community right now. That situation is way past the canary in the coal mine phase and represents an actual tipping point towards the bottom.
The desire for kids is still there. It’s just a lot of confusion surrounding it all -- both genders have some damage to the soft-wire of their brains.
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