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(10-03-2015 12:26 AM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

The continued hype with the Trayvon incident just shows how much sway the mainstream media has over controlling the race narrative. It's clearly a case of two less than decent people getting into an altercation and one just happened to get capped. It could have easily been another outcome on any other day involving the same or different people. This happens all the time in the hood as well except it's usually black on black violence. Even NBA stars got roped into this and started to tweet pics with Trayvon solidarity hoodies.

Black advocacy groups would do much better focusing on real incidents of police brutality like that one guy who was shot in the back like 5 times while running away. Crying "wolf" and playing the race card at very grey area incidents like the Trayvon debacle or shedding crocodile tears for that thug Michael Brown (or in the past like OJ) just destroys credibility with most people who are just neutral.

Very good points.

I think what happens is people are quick to pick a side without looking at each individual situation separately.

[PapayaTapper]

(10-03-2015 03:12 PM)NO_LIMIT_CRACKA Wrote:  

(10-03-2015 01:41 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  

Would Zimmerman have pursued and confronted a guy who was bigger and stronger than him if he hadn't had that gun on him?

Come on bro you guys need to keep your narrative consistent. Either he was a harmless small innocent "kid" who could've never seemed like he could be dangerous or he was a man who was much bigger and stronger. He can't be both simultaneously

(10-03-2015 01:41 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  

Would Trayvon have turned and pressed the issue if he'd known this pudgy rent a a cop fuck nugget that was following him had a concealed weapon? Probably not.

He actually did. He also had a history of drug use and theft (stolen stuff being confiscated from him at school)

I don't have a narrative bro. I have a simple point of opinion based on what I believe to be the salient points of the case and my experiences with escalating verbal to violent confrontations.

Trayvon's size or past history is actually irrelevant to my point. The little I know about Trayvon is from the media reports which means I may know nothing. It's less to do with him but rather what we now know about the pudgy sack o shit drama queen hero wannabe dingle-tard that Zimmerman revealed himself to be since the trial,... over and over again.

But let's say Trayvon was both bigger than Zimmerman and had a history of violence. Then that would actually bolster my point. Do you honestly think Zimmerman knew or even considered what Trayvon's capabilities or character were? No. He had a gun. He didn't NEED to consider anything other than that.

Neither do I believe Zimmerman intended to kill Trayvon when he set out after him. But he instigated the confrontation (that much we know for certain) and when Trayvon started kicking his lard ass he pulled the gun, that only he knew he had, and shot him. That is the crux of my point and issue with this whole incident.

[SamuelBRoberts]

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Neither do I believe Zimmerman intended to kill Trayvon when he set out after him. But he instigated the confrontation (that much we know for certain) and when Trayvon started kicking his lard ass he pulled the gun, that only he knew he had, and shot him. That is the crux of my point and issue with this whole incident.

Why does this matter? Zimmerman had every right to talk to the guy. You keep saying "confrontation", but there's no evidence he ever did anything beyond talk to him. There were something like three autopsies, and none of them found any evidence that Zimmerman attacked first. So in your mind, if I talk to someone, and they don't like me, they're fully justified to pound my head against the concrete and potentially kill me?

[NO_LIMIT_CRACKA]

(10-04-2015 01:19 AM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  

But let's say Trayvon was both bigger than Zimmerman and had a history of violence. Then that would actually bolster my point. Do you honestly think Zimmerman knew or even considered what Trayvon's capabilities or character were? No. He had a gun. He didn't NEED to consider anything other than that.

Neither do I believe Zimmerman intended to kill Trayvon when he set out after him. But he instigated the confrontation (that much we know for certain) and when Trayvon started kicking his lard ass he pulled the gun, that only he knew he had, and shot him. That is the crux of my point and issue with this whole incident.

Lemme get this straight: you're saying that might makes right? As in a physically weaker individual on guard duty should under no circumstances confront a physically stronger individual creeping around in their neighborhood to restore safety, that about sums up your point?

So I guess the best course of action when ghetto antics spills out into safe neighborhoods is for the civil population to just do nothing, crawl into their beds and frantically call the police instead of policing their own areas? Well, it's basically what is already expected of middle class weak hwhytes and why their areas keep getting invaded and overtaken by the ghettos spilling out. This doesn't happen as often in Italian or Polish neighborhoods because they don't abide by the "drop to the floor in fear and call the police" rule but police their own area, and the ghetto thugs learn that eventually. Walk around any Polish area in Pittsburgh and you'll see no drugged out blacks walking around enjoying their Skittles late at night after looking into house windows.

And usually the street fights that I know of involve people punching and kicking each other, not slamming their head repeatedly against the concrete floor while sitting on them and having them pinned down with no escape route. I'm pretty sure ZimZim wouldn't have pulled the gun if Trayvon simply layed down a couple of punches while sitting on him, or just kicked him while he was on the floor. But you HAVE TO repeat these 2 facts to understand the danger of the situation and why ZimZim had to act like he acted: 1) he was PINNED on the ground, NO WAY TO ESCAPE. He couldn't deescalate 2) his HEAD was getting smashed on CONCRETE. You can already crack someone's skull open with a high hell or a glass bottle, nevermind a concrete floor.

Oh and just for reference, here's the "small baby Trayvon" on the far right