[Teutatis]

(07-07-2013 03:02 PM)Hawk Wrote:  

Women always keep their surnames in the Spanish and Portuguese speaking countries, and children inherit two surnames, one of each parent; if a couple has the same surname it's kind of shameful, since everybody thinks they are cousins.
I wonder how much of this issue in the USA has to do with Latin immigration.

Women keep their surnames, yes, but they add the husband's surname as well and after marriage they're known as Mrs. "whatever the husband's last name is", so I highly doubt this trend of women keeping their maiden names in the US has anything to do with latin immigration but more with the ultra-radical feminism ethos of modern day western societies we're experiencing today.

Like others have said, it's fine by me if the girl wants to keep her name, do whatever you feel like dear, and I'm sure it's fine with her that there will be no marriage.

[clever alias]

if i married a girl over here it might be better to keep her last name. xiao meng shen sounds like a chinese name. xiao meng smith is retarded. plus you cant write non chinese names

[Hawk]

(07-07-2013 08:17 PM)Teutatis Wrote:  

(07-07-2013 03:02 PM)Hawk Wrote:  

Women always keep their surnames in the Spanish and Portuguese speaking countries, and children inherit two surnames, one of each parent; if a couple has the same surname it's kind of shameful, since everybody thinks they are cousins.
I wonder how much of this issue in the USA has to do with Latin immigration.

Women keep their surnames, yes, but they add the husband's surname as well and after marriage they're known as Mrs. "whatever the husband's last name is", so I highly doubt this trend of women keeping their maiden names in the US has anything to do with latin immigration but more with the ultra-radical feminism ethos of modern day western societies we're experiencing today.

Like others have said, it's fine by me if the girl wants to keep her name, do whatever you feel like dear, and I'm sure it's fine with her that there will be no marriage.

You're wrong, in most of the region women never add the man's surname and they're known always by their maiden names, even when adressed like "Mrs.". Maybe some Latin American countries have partially adopted the American way, but that's not the case of the overwhelming majority of people even in those countries.
In Latin America, I think it has less to do with feminism and more with the progressive loss of supremacy of the USA and its culture, linked to the fact that these countries are becoming more proud of their own culture.

From Wikipedia:
In some Latin American nations, a wife could drop her own maternal surname while adding her husband's apellido (his paternal surname) suffixed after her (paternal) first surname with the conjunction de (“of") — thus Ángela López Sáenz, as wife of Tomás Portillo Blanco, would become Ángela López de Portillo. In other nations doing so is frowned upon. The contemporary naming custom now practises the wife retaining her surname.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hispanic_Am...ng_customs

[Onto]

(07-07-2013 06:16 PM)TexasMade Wrote:  

I don't think I can marry an American anymore anyway. After experiencing Mexican, Brazilian Thai and even Belizean women, why would I want to marry an American? Maybe fresh of the boat. Maybe.

Words of wisdom.

[xsplat]

(07-07-2013 01:37 PM)Gator Wrote:  

I had a coach when I was in high school (USNA grad, flew jets, operated his own business when he left the service). He told me when he proposed to his wife she immediately demanded she keep her own name after she said yes. He closed up the ring box and walked away in front of a group of people. She immediately relented and decided to take his name.

The shit tests never end.

I'd like to think he did so wordlessly, as you described.

[GameTheory]

the easiest way for her to keep her maiden name ? NEVER marry her in the first place !!!

[Vicious]

If you married a Kennedy or Roosevelt. Would you let your kids take her name?

[Teutatis]

(07-08-2013 08:24 AM)Hawk Wrote:  

(07-07-2013 08:17 PM)Teutatis Wrote:  

(07-07-2013 03:02 PM)Hawk Wrote:  

Women always keep their surnames in the Spanish and Portuguese speaking countries, and children inherit two surnames, one of each parent; if a couple has the same surname it's kind of shameful, since everybody thinks they are cousins.
I wonder how much of this issue in the USA has to do with Latin immigration.

Women keep their surnames, yes, but they add the husband's surname as well and after marriage they're known as Mrs. "whatever the husband's last name is", so I highly doubt this trend of women keeping their maiden names in the US has anything to do with latin immigration but more with the ultra-radical feminism ethos of modern day western societies we're experiencing today.

Like others have said, it's fine by me if the girl wants to keep her name, do whatever you feel like dear, and I'm sure it's fine with her that there will be no marriage.

You're wrong, in most of the region women never add the man's surname and they're known always by their maiden names, even when adressed like "Mrs.". Maybe some Latin American countries have partially adopted the American way, but that's not the case of the overwhelming majority of people even in those countries.
In Latin America, I think it has less to do with feminism and more with the progressive loss of supremacy of the USA and its culture, linked to the fact that these countries are becoming more proud of their own culture.

From Wikipedia:
In some Latin American nations, a wife could drop her own maternal surname while adding her husband's apellido (his paternal surname) suffixed after her (paternal) first surname with the conjunction de (“of") — thus Ángela López Sáenz, as wife of Tomás Portillo Blanco, would become Ángela López de Portillo. In other nations doing so is frowned upon. The contemporary naming custom now practises the wife retaining her surname.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hispanic_Am...ng_customs

I'm wrong, really? How am I wrong when your link says what I said, that the wife keeps her surname and adds the husband's.

While it is true that they can choose not to use the husband's surname if they so wish, the majority does. The use of the word "could" in your wikipedia link makes it sound like it's not common for women to do it, but it is, it's much more common than not.

Eva Peron is a good example.

By the way, I'm Portuguese, with a ton of family in Brazil, some Spanish family and I know a ton of Cubans and some Argentinians so I know that's how it is in those countries.

If some country like Nicaragua or El Salvador or something like that is different than I don't know.

[scorpion]

This is indicative of the narcissism inherent in feminism, where women place their own feelings ahead of those of their family. The entire purpose of getting married and taking the husband's name is to publicly declare the formation of a new family. It's a sign of the woman's commitment to take the man's name, and acts a cultural and social norm that helps to reduce female infidelity and paternity fraud.

A woman who refuse to take her husband's name is essentially saying, "I'm not fully invested in this marriage and I certainly don't view us as a new family." She is placing her own ego ahead of the well-being of her family.

That being the case, it's an enormous slap in the face to the husband, one that no man should endure.

The funniest part, as someone pointed out earlier, is that these idiot women think they're somehow sticking it to the patriarchy by not taking their husband's name...which just means that they're continuing to use their father's name, instead. Either way their surname continues to be patriarchal.

I predict that soon feminists will realize this inconsistency, and will begin to invent their own feminist-approved surnames. Just wait until you start meeting girls with names like:

Jessica Cupcake
Sarah Catlover
Lauren Ballcrusher
Ashley Kardashian (this name might have a licensing royalty fee. Even better!)
Julie Martini
Kimberly Fashionista
Michelle Flipflops

[Hawk]

(07-08-2013 03:40 PM)Vicious Wrote:  

If you married a Kennedy or Roosevelt. Would you let your kids take her name?

That's another point. My sister and I share a nice sounding, medieval surname. She used to have a boyfriend with a horrible, peasant sounding surname, so she wanted their future children to have her surname in the first place, and his in the second (opposite to the traditional thing). Now she's married to a guy with a nice surname, and their child has his surname in the first place; she found no reason to change the traditional order with this guy (and he's more beta than the previous one).

I also know a Spaniard living in Wisconsin. Her wife was horrified with his surname and didn't take it. No wonder, as it was... Quirós.

(07-08-2013 04:05 PM)Teutatis Wrote:  

I'm wrong, really? How am I wrong when your link says what I said, that the wife keeps her surname and adds the husband's.

While it is true that they can choose not to use the husband's surname if they so wish, the majority does. The use of the word "could" in your wikipedia link makes it sound like it's not common for women to do it, but it is, it's much more common than not.

Eva Peron is a good example.

By the way, I'm Portuguese, with a ton of family in Brazil, some Spanish family and I know a ton of Cubans and some Argentinians so I know that's how it is in those countries.

If some country like Nicaragua or El Salvador or something like that is different than I don't know.

My experience tells me the opposite. Madrid is probably one of the cities in the world with more Latin Americans and I barely found couples with the same surname, so I still believe in my original point about the possibility of latin immigration partially influencing this trend in the USA. Anyway, our fight has become irrelevant to the thread and I'd say boring to the other people. If you want to continue with it I'll be happy to answer any PM.

[WanderingSoul]

What is the rate of divorce between couples where the woman keeps her name, and couples where she takes her husbands?

My initial thought is the women who do this are the ones who don't plan to stay married to their husband for life.