[WestIndianArchie]

"What really sucks about sugar baby relationships is that most of the arrangements don't seem like they're entered into freely; they're a desperate response to a shitty set of circumstances — a lack of job opportunities, lack of job abilities, and last, but not least, the insanely high cost of college education."

http://jezebel.com/expose-on-miamis-suga...-577527455

^^the response

The original article.
http://www.miaminewtimes.com/2013-06-27/...r-daddy/7/

....one of you big time players needs to mount a campaign to bed these Jezebel/XoJane authors

WIA

[WesternCancer]

"It's not my fault I whore myself out to old men and crafty members of the rvf, its just that university is so damn expensive. Do you know how much I spend on Starbucks and adderall just so I can study!?!?"

[Days of Broken Arrows]

Like most of Jezebel's writers, this one builds an entire post under a false presumption: that women don't like doing this. Some women enjoy this kind of thing. One of my exes came from old money but used to wrestle men for bucks...because it turned her on.

What's depressing about it? Approximately everything, from the anecdote about "Rachel," the "sugar baby" who gets paid $200 to stiletto all over some dude's dick and once hung around with a cracked out businessman for 3 hours so he'd pay her $300.

In the above paragraph she doesn't realize that both men and women do things every day for money that anyone could consider degrading. Being filthy under and engine is degrading, if you think about it. So is looking up people's butts. IMO the women got into this because they wanted to.

Jezebel is like Catholic School, operating under a completely false idea of what women are and what they may or may not like. There are things I hate that I'm willing to concede others might like -- tattoos, piercings. What makes feminists repugnant is that they think their worldview should be everyone's.

On the plus side, some of the commenters think she's full of shit. The idea that women have no agency and are complete victims of "society" is getting old really fast. As for this article, if it wasn't college it would be something else.

[liberman]

Men dont resort to this situation despite having the same high costs of college the same lack of job opportunities. One could easily conclude this is because men generally are better at handling money, saving/living frugally than women are.

[Brodiaga]

(06-25-2013 07:21 PM)liberman Wrote:  

Men dont resort to this situation despite having the same high costs of college the same lack of job opportunities. One could easily conclude this is because men generally are better at handling money, saving/living frugally than women are.

Men just don't go to college if they know that they can't get by. More than half of college students are female.

[liberman]

Exactly, there is no point in going to college unless your you are aiming for a specific career that requires a college degree. Most women who go to college do so without a definitive plan and career path instead just a vague idea of where they see themselves in 10 years.

[Wadsworth]

The female hindbrain is hardwired to trade sex for resources. Women will not accept responsibility for their own actions, however, and so the hamster goes to work to figure out how to blame men or something else.

[Goldin Boy]

Taking loans and parents are options. Women have alternatives to swallowing seed to pay for school but they aren't as fun.

[Alpharius]

Men don't have as many sugar momma opportunities.

Be honest, if a woman was thirsty enough to pay you to hang out with her, you'd consider it.

[Bacchus]

I can't believe jezebel would engage in slut shaming. If these strong educated women want to empower themselves by having sex for money, who are they to judge?

(06-25-2013 05:54 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

....one of you big time players needs to mount a campaign to bed these Jezebel/XoJane authors

There are a few problems with this.

1) These authors are fat/ugly
2) They're overly sarcastic and prone to snark and annoying terms (i.e. using adult as a verb)
3) They'll mouth off feminist bullet points throughout the evening no matter what the topic of conversation is
4) They are a false rape accusation waiting to happen
5) It won't change her opinion, and only train the hamster to spin faster

[Hammer]

This is the kind of stuff you only need to read a couple times before you realize women in the west are beyond help. After that it becomes an exercise in how much pain you can subject your mind to reading such insanity.

[Hotwheels]

College sugar babies are fun to fuck when you are 43.

[lurker]

(06-25-2013 07:21 PM)liberman Wrote:  

Men dont resort to this situation despite having the same high costs of college the same lack of job opportunities. One could easily conclude this is because men generally are better at handling money, saving/living frugally than women are.

Men don't exactly have the same whoring options either. Face it, nobody's gonna pay my beautiful but hairy ass the five diamond rate for four hours of "company."

[kdolo]

Jezebel should blame women and feminism for the rise in college costs leading to sugardaddy.

The price of education i.e. tuition is a function of supply and demand. Increase demand for college by women demanding to enter higher education (mostly to study nonsense) = higher prices.

And, as opposed to find a nice guy - treating him well - and inspiring him to work hard to help her with her studies, these women resort to the female default stance: HYPERGAMY.

find the richest guy they can find, offer up the vagina, and get resources.

they are their own worst enemy.

[lurker]

(06-25-2013 09:29 PM)kdolo Wrote:  

Jezebel should blame women and feminism for the rise in college costs leading to sugardaddy.

The price of education i.e. tuition is a function of supply and demand. Increase demand for college by women demanding to enter higher education (mostly to study nonsense) = higher prices.

Not really. Your conclusion - that women and feminism is responsible for the rise in college costs - may hold water, but you're off on the mechanism.

College tuition is not a function of supply and demand as we think about it, as the regulation and externalities of government funding on differing levels have conspired to decouple tuition from market forces.

The increase in college tuition since the early 1980s has been almost wholly a function of bloating administration and unnecessary construction on campuses. Now, most of these administration jobs are horseshit makework positions staffed by women - which lends credence to your original conclusion - but it's really not so much a feminism problem as it is a teat-sucking problem. Feminism is just one teat-sucker.

If we were to truly describe tuition in a supply-demand curve setting, we'd view the supply curve as being an almost perfectly inelastic ratchet. Even at minor changes in demand, prices sharply rise, but rarely if ever fall. You're identifying the demand side as the dominant driver of price, when the supply is really the crucial factor.

Think about it critically for a second. How much does it actually cost to teach another 1000 girls some dumb gender studies shit? All you need is a classroom (already part of your fixed physical plant cost, and generally NOT part of the increased construction), a lecturer (anywhere from $30K to 250K per year), and some overpriced books (which the girls buy themselves anyway).

[iknowexactly]

(06-25-2013 11:46 PM)lurker Wrote:  

(06-25-2013 09:29 PM)kdolo Wrote:  

Jezebel should blame women and feminism for the rise in college costs leading to sugardaddy.

The price of education i.e. tuition is a function of supply and demand. Increase demand for college by women demanding to enter higher education (mostly to study nonsense) = higher prices.

Not really. Your conclusion - that women and feminism is responsible for the rise in college costs - may hold water, but you're off on the mechanism.

College tuition is not a function of supply and demand as we think about it, as the regulation and externalities of government funding on differing levels have conspired to decouple tuition from market forces.

The increase in college tuition since the early 1980s has been almost wholly a function of bloating administration and unnecessary construction on campuses.

This is true, "deans", who do -- what exactly? THey don't teach-- make huge salaries at prestigious institutions, institutions where talented people would work for much less just for the status.

http://www.dailycal.org/2011/09/13/campu...increases/

300K to be "dean" of a school? It's just because they know legislators etc that they get these salaries, they don't really do anything productive.

[Vicious]

Can we get a picture of her in order to determine if this woman is ever so slightly likely to know anything about being a sugar baby?

[lurker]

(06-25-2013 11:50 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

This is true, "deans", who do -- what exactly?

Fundraise. And they do teach from time to time. But mostly fundraise.

[T and A Man]

There is one thing they also fail to make mention of.

An 'epidemic' of sugarbabies, where wide numbers of women can do this and still at least survive... is only available to women.

Female privilege.!!!

[Tigre]

Quote:

Or "Brittany," the super young-looking college student who has tricked herself into thinking that being paid to go out on dates with businessmen will somehow teach her the skills she needs to herself be a successful businesswoman someday, like success is sexually transmitted.

Brittney can definitely glean useful attitudes, skills and knowledge from successful men. It's highly valuable access to have.

The Jezebel writer has very limited life experience if she thinks that's implausible.

[Days of Broken Arrows]

I've been debating about how much I should give away here, but it's late and I can't sleep so here goes. Beyond the ex g/f that I mentioned earlier, I know at least three women who have done the sex-for-money thing.

What this writer doesn't seem to understand is that having sex for money is a very grey area for a lot of women. It's not like when you make a career change: they don't give you the corner office and say "Stop filing and start fucking!" It's not that cut and dried.

Woman #1 was messing around with a female politician's husband. He had little time to wine and dine her and came out and said "Can I just give you money for quickies?" She said "sure."

Woman #2 was a fledgling writer who earned next to no money who ended up "dating" a much older man when she was 22. He couldn't stand to be around her friends and vice-versa, so it morphed into a sugar daddy thing, which suited them better.

Woman #3 was a swinger and met some businessman type at Club Hedonism who basically came out and said "I can't be bothered to come to where you live to screw you, but I'll send you plane tix and cash to come to me when I want."

While this might sound tawdry, in every case the woman expressed to me this is what they both wanted and they figured it was cheaper and more honest that the dinner-date-jewelry bullshit. Funniest of all, when I asked if I could get it for the same price #1 and #3 were like "Shit, I'd give you a major discount -- you're much cuter!" And as a sidenote I'll add, all these arrangements seemed to end well, with no accusations, lawsuits, etc.

So, I ask the board: is this really bad, or are these men and women stripping away the bullshit facade of modern "dating" and just being honest about what two people want? It makes dating more an arrangement and less about power, sexual dynamics, bargaining and all the other things that feminists obsess about to get the upper hand, which seems to be their goal. Also, this is not Beta chumps doing this, but time-pressed Alphas, which is probably what really pisses off Jezebel.

[eradicator]

(06-26-2013 02:23 AM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  

So, I ask the board: is this really bad, or are these men and women stripping away the bullshit facade of modern "dating" and just being honest about what two people want? It makes dating more an arrangement and less about power, sexual dynamics, bargaining and all the other things that feminists obsess about to get the upper hand, which seems to be their goal. Also, this is not Beta chumps doing this, but time-pressed Alphas, which is probably what really pisses off Jezebel.

No one on this board is going to say that this is wrong. Heck, there is a huge thread about the website http://www.seekingarrangement.com and how to get results with it.(don't give them your real name, treat the dates as if you met them from okcupid and don't use your real house/apartment. Don't pay them like they were whores but offer to share your wealth with them by going on high end dates that they wouldn't be able to afford otherwise)

[Architekt]

(06-25-2013 05:54 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

"What really sucks about sugar baby relationships is that most of the arrangements don't seem like they're entered into freely; they're a desperate response to a shitty set of circumstances — a lack of job opportunities, lack of job abilities, and last, but not least, the insanely high cost of college education."

"Wah. I got a shitty, useless degree, that has no relevance in the real world, and now I have a huge debt to pay off and I can't get a job to pay for it. Wah. It wasn't my fault I made such bad decisions! I need compensation!"

What I got out of that

[kdolo]

".... but you're off on the mechanism.

College tuition is not a function of supply and demand as we think about it, as the regulation and externalities of government funding on differing levels have conspired to decouple tuition from market forces."


The culprit is big government and too much socialism....of which much of feminism is based - it cant exist without big government spending. coercion,... etc..

[kdolo]

"So, I ask the board: is this really bad, or are these men and women stripping away the bullshit facade of modern "dating" and just being honest about what two people want? It makes dating more an arrangement and less about power, sexual dynamics, bargaining and all the other things that feminists obsess about to get the upper hand, which seems to be their goal. Also, this is not Beta chumps doing this, but time-pressed Alphas, which is probably what really pisses off Jezebel."

Aha !! Therefore the true end result of feminism is that it ends up providing more disposable pussy for the 1%.

-encourages reallocation of resources from working Betas to the female
-thus unleashing the female hypergamy
-the Betas with less resources are knocked out of the competition

men at the top of the economic heap - best able to avoid the taxes and regulation which crush the lower orders and whom gets earliest access to the loose money production needed to fund the socialism and feminism - can monopolize the pussy all without having to commit/marry any of it.

I always suspected....