[Tytalus]

OK, so on that thread:

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-25199-...#pid477246

It got me thinking. I have two daughters, 3 and 4 months. I'm sure I'm not the only Dad that posts on here. For me it's hopefully about 7 years until I have to start talking about red pill stuff with my oldest. What advice do you think I should be giving her? What kind of things would you want to tell your daughter, if you ever had one?

[Statsi]

Getting her into a physical hobby would be a good move dancing, rock climbing, or self defence maybe. Teaching her personal responsibility would be another, when she messes up don't automatically bail her out.

When it comes to men and dating just keeping her away from Disney and television should be fine, there are some red pill thinking women but I'm not sure they are happier than others. Tell her the facts straight, that in the west today men are at such a disadvantage when it comes to dating and relationships that some men will compensate by using game. She herself has to make a choice between family and career, between happiness and achievements, and between starting a family young or risking not having children. Show her the different rates of fertility between men and women, show her that female happiness has been declining since more women pursue careers instead of family. Show her that feminism is bullshit.

[Veloce]

This is gonna sound REALLY fucked up, so bear with me and keep an open mind. Also keep in mind I don't have kids so my perspective is heavily skewed.

The other day my gf was telling me how her dad didn't give a shit about her or her sisters. She's Filipina, and her dad always resented the fact that he had 4 daughters and no son (although he did have one quite a bit later in his late 30s). Her dad would be away at sea for 9 months out of the year, and when he came home he'd basically ignore his girls and spend time with the neighbor's boy.

I know, it's fucked up.

But she's an awesome gf. She treats me like gold. It got me thinking about how girls are treated with very little value in many fucked up, 3rd world countries, but how those women are probably a dream to be with as partners. I'm not saying it's right, but the alternative is the U.S. where women are basically exalted and their egos inflated at every turn, including this whole "Daddy's little princess" phenomenon that exists here. Think of the contrast:

1) Girl in asian country is reinforced that men are more valuable than women. It's not just an idea that gets batted about; it's actually how many girls are raised. She's not only raised with the idea that she NEEDS a man in her life, she's taught their actual VALUE as a human being is less than a man's. You might think that girls raised like that would have a so-called "complex" but I don't think that's the case. I think they grow up humble and have a real idea on how to treat men. I can't tell you how many girls I've known or currently know that have "complexes" and see therapists regularly, and they grew up in objectively healthy, supportive, even spoiled family environments.

2) which brings us to a stereotypical Western girl brought up with a protective dad that cherishes his "Little angel princess". We know there's an epidemic of entitled women in the U.S. and anglo cultures, and we know many of the factors behind it, but I think it's rarely mentioned that one of the strongest influences on a woman's psyche is her upbringing with her father. I know it's a touchy subject, and you can't go around telling dads to treat their daughters like shit, but let's be objective and really look at the relationship.

Again, I don't have kids so I can't say what I would do. I might be full of shit and probably wind up spoiling my daughter(s), god forbid I ever have any. But at this point and time, I can say I would LIKE to imagine I'd treat her in a way that inspires humility on her part, that doesn't teach her that she shits gold bricks. I'd try, in various ways, to hint at the fact that her happiness will not come from "Girl Power" or independence, or success in the career world. She'll get no pink Mustang for her 16th birthday, or Beetle or Mini Cooper. She won't get lavish birthday parties with pink tutus or tiaras. I'd want to raise her to be cultured, well-mannered, well-traveled. I'd sure as hell want to raise her somewhere besides the U.S.

Knowing that her ultimate happiness would reside in finding a very high quality male, I would try to mold her into the type of woman that would attract that male.

[Que enspastic]

would you advise her to settle with a faithful beta over a more promiscuous alpha?

can she have it the best of both worlds?

[Veloce]

(06-25-2013 03:38 PM)Que enspastic Wrote:  

would you advise her to settle with a faithful beta over a more promiscuous alpha?

can she have it the best of both worlds?

I don't see why she has to be with one or the other.

If she wound up with a man of power or influence, which is what I'd prefer, I'd have no problem at all with him taking on mistresses, but how would I know that anyway? Pretty sure that wouldn't come up. On top of it, if I ever found out that she tried to initiate some sort of divorce or separation over his extra-marital affairs, she wouldn't get any support from me. The only time I can think of that I would turn into a "shotgun dad" is if he physically abused her or extorted money from her/me. At that point it's fucking personal and he gets to see my dark side.

If I do my job as a dad, she'll understand her value to a man and not present herself as just another pump n dump. But who knows. She might spite my attempts at good parenting and wind up in a whorehouse somewhere, at which point I'll just shrug with a "good riddance".

[Gator_McKlusky]

Make sure she knows anal doesn't count in the eyes of God.

[little wing]

Make sure she doesn't become a slut who posts pictures of her food on Instagram

[WestIndianArchie]

Eat right and stay in shape.
Meet a guy in college.

WIA

[MikeCF]

As a father you are foremost a leader.

Leadership isn't about what you tell someone. It's about what you do, day in and day out.

Do you live with her mom? If so, then you set the standard about how a man should treat a woman.

How you treaty our wife is how your daughter will expect a man to treat her.

[MattW]

I think the best thing for daughters is their father and mother have a good relationship. This includes being enough of an alpha (cliche I know, but still) so that their mother and they respect him, and then giving them enough of the right kind of approval that they won't be hungry for any that comes their way.

Just my observations from watching my nieces.

[kosko]

It starts now. They may be young but they will respond to your command and dominance of the home and marriage even as infants. Once they hit 3 years old the draft clock starts, 7 years is to late as she will be in school and around shady chics. Make sure the mother can teach them lady stuff that you can't and be their best friend.

When they get older cut/ween them off sports unless you think they will be good at them. Put them in displined activities like Piano or Violen. Displined activities like Dance are great also. Basically given them structure but still that social atmosphere women need. I don't think it's cool
to lock them up just to focus strictly at school, that makes them socially awkward and she end up doing wierd shit when she gets older and tries to rebel. Expose her to intresting things that will keep her open-minded and curious but not on stupid shit like drugs and being sleazy but shit like art, travel, crafts, and science.

Make school important and once HS come around make that and whatever activity she excelled at in her youth be her focus. Maybe she only has like 4 good lady friends an her Mom, don't be alarmed. It better for her to have a tight group of women are can trust vs a bunch of women that will fuck her over. Sell her the idea of finding a good dude early, not sure the best way to do that. I know my Aunt sold one of y sisters on it early that it was key for her to basically look for a husband and that dating was more or less screening whom she thinks/knows that she wants in a husband. You should already have indoctrinated her on that prior so it should be easy for her. Plus is she is well versed in intresting stuff so she can sniff out legit and real dudes a lot easy.

Not sure how you stop the "rebel" faze. Evrey girls has one these days where they turn into whores for like a summer and experiment and shit. Only girls whom I know didn't do that had a religious element within the family, evrey other girl even the good ones I know had one unless they were serial daters. Hopefully she would rather take some trip to Quebec for a summer to learn French vs going through that "rebel" faze.

This is a just from observing my situation and others. I'm not a father but I've seen men raise good daughters and seem a pattern kind of come up.

You give your daughter trust and confidence. These are key as I she has these she won't feel the need to 'put herself out there' to plug hose gaps. Women will always need attention but having a tight unit around her can ease that and I helps of she can channel that energy into some craft or activity she excels at instead I simply just doing what most girls do.

Oh and no iPhone.

[tiggaling]

A couple of girls have told me their parents (who are pretty cool) just told them to do whatever they want, and were very liberal about it. If you have sex, use a condom etc.

So they never develop this rebelious streak and get into sex an drugs just as a rebellious stage. They tend to be pretty mature and self aware as well.

[kdolo]

1. No daddy's princess bullshit.
2. put her to work immediately: cleaning, washing, cooking, domestic.
3. your appearance matters: femininity, dresses, etc.
4. shut the fuck up - men don't want to hear it

5. You have won the lottery being born with a vagina - you can have a nice easy life - simply by finding the best guy your looks can get you and he will likely work his ass off for you assuming he is treated properly: DO NOT FUCK UP this Advantage !

6. To keep a man: shut up, make sure he gets enough sex, be domestic - simple enough

[Veloce]

^^^ Seriously kdolo you could make a plaque out of that. Set that shit in stone.

[Tytalus]

Info: Yes, married and yes to religion. My wife was well trained by her parents and I can hopefully do the same with my daughters. Been reading and *trying* to be red pill for the last year. Disciple of Athol Kay.

Some good advice here guys, thanks for sharing and keep it up.

[el mechanico]

(06-26-2013 02:36 PM)Tytalus Wrote:  

Info: Yes, married and yes to religion. My wife was well trained by her parents and I can hopefully do the same with my daughters. Been reading and *trying* to be red pill for the last year. Disciple of Athol Kay.

Some good advice here guys, thanks for sharing and keep it up.

So you're married with toddlers and now decided you're going red pill?

[EisenBarde]

marry early, marry often

[Tytalus]

(06-26-2013 02:39 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

(06-26-2013 02:36 PM)Tytalus Wrote:  

Info: Yes, married and yes to religion. My wife was well trained by her parents and I can hopefully do the same with my daughters. Been reading and *trying* to be red pill for the last year. Disciple of Athol Kay.

Some good advice here guys, thanks for sharing and keep it up.

So you're married with toddlers and now decided you're going red pill?

Well by red pill, I mean learning how to be the man of the house and lead. I wanted to get married early way back in 2005 when game was just beginning to be written about on the internet. If I'd waited another year my life would have gone in a completely different direction.

[el mechanico]

(06-26-2013 09:06 PM)Tytalus Wrote:  

(06-26-2013 02:39 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

(06-26-2013 02:36 PM)Tytalus Wrote:  

Info: Yes, married and yes to religion. My wife was well trained by her parents and I can hopefully do the same with my daughters. Been reading and *trying* to be red pill for the last year. Disciple of Athol Kay.

Some good advice here guys, thanks for sharing and keep it up.

So you're married with toddlers and now decided you're going red pill?

Well by red pill, I mean learning how to be the man of the house and lead. I wanted to get married early way back in 2005 when game was just beginning to be written about on the internet. If I'd waited another year my life would have gone in a completely different direction.

Well my biggest concern in life right now is finding a cool and fun summer camp from jul 15 to aug 18 for my daughter. Nothing else I'm doing is more important.

If you care it keeps you on the right path. Theses are things you have to figure out yourself because like anything the mom is jaded for cash or safety or whatever so do all your own homework all the time.

[Doulos2Game]

"Your a MYLASTNAME don't disrespect the family name"

[little wing]

(06-26-2013 03:35 AM)tiggaling Wrote:  

A couple of girls have told me their parents (who are pretty cool) just told them to do whatever they want, and were very liberal about it. If you have sex, use a condom etc.

So they never develop this rebelious streak and get into sex an drugs just as a rebellious stage. They tend to be pretty mature and self aware as well.

My mother was always really liberal and I turned out ok. People always tell me I act more mature than I am, however I think I would've preferred it if my parents were stricter and drilled me more, I was a very lazy underachieving kid

[The Beast1]

Thanks for the thread tityalus.

I know with my luck i'll be having four girls. Definitely have to treat them well, but crap I have no idea what to do.

[LooTa]

I'll give her specific advice for specific situations, but as far as profound words of wisdom go? None.

If it's before puberty, they don't understand it.
If it's during puberty, they'll ignore it, and likely do the opposite.
If it's after puberty, they're an adult and can run their own life.

But they learn from watching the example you set in your everyday interactions - hopefully that will be good enough to keep them on the straight and narrow. Besides, Pinker says that parental influence has little influence on a childs personality.