[Giovonny]

This is a technique that I stumbled upon by accident. I just figured it out by trial and error.

If a girl sees you talking to someone she gets a chance to observe you. She can look at you, listen to your voice, see your body language, your social skills, etc.

She has a chance to get to know you without you ever having to approach her.

I developed this technique in grocery stores. I would be standing in line at the store. I always talk to people in line. Girls would glance over. They would see me talking and interacting. I was no longer a stranger to them.

I could include her in the conversation or go talk to her after I paid for my groceries. It would be much easier now that she "knew" me a little.

Now, I do it on purpose. If I see a girl I like and I can't approach her exactly the way I want, I might just approach a person who is standing next to her or near by her.

This gets a social, talkative situation going. Of course, I quickly try to include her in the conversation. If I can't include her in the conversation, at least I introduced my vibe to her. Now, when I approach her 5 minutes later in the ice cream section, she already has a feel for me.

Most times, when she hears me talking she will do one of two things:

1) If she is curious or interested in me, she will make eye contact with me.

2) She will not even look my way which usually means that she is not interested.

I don't even have to open her to get a sense for how into me she is.

iknowexactly gives a good example of this in his thread here:

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-25152-...#pid476339

Try this guys. You will find yourself in a situation when this is a great move to use. When you are in that situation, try this.

If you can't open her, open the person next to her.

[chexmix]

I've been doing my own style of this for a while now. It works pretty well to figure out if the girl wants to interact with you or not if you're in the correct position to observe her body language.
The way I do it is, if I'm with a group of people and I see a girl doing this I'll invite the groups to join together since a group of 5 guys will be much more entertaining for a group of 5 girls rather then a single guy attempting to talk to a single girl. This might not work in some places in the world but so far I have not had any group decline the offer and it's a fantastic way to start talking to the girl checking you out, since her friends are distracted by all your friends.

[pitt]

Yeah i have been doing that approach for a while. But this is my emergency approach, meaning that i only do it when i don't have another option.

Last time i did this, i was following this girl to the end of the road, when she got there, she jumped on the bus, i was like fuck it, i am jumping on the bus too. I sat right next to her, i didn't know how to start a convo with her, i pretended i couldn't speak spanish and asked this old guy if this bus is going to place x..this old guy was actually friendly..asked me lots of questions..soon as this girl knew i wasn't dominican..she started eye fucking me hard..we started talking and you know the rest.

That indirect approach is powerful.

[ChocolateCockOfZeus]

Like an indirect/pre-selection/social-game hybrid? Interesting. I think I'll experiment with this.

[soup]

Yes, this is an observable demonstration of high value. I read somewhere online about guy who claimed to have picked up a playboy model this way.

1) Observable and word of mouth (other people talking highly of you)
2) Spoken from your mouth (you mention something that implies or directly states your high value).

[aphelion]

(06-24-2013 04:10 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

This is a technique that I stumbled upon by accident. I just figured it out by trial and error.

If a girl sees you talking to someone she gets a chance to observe you. She can look at you, listen to your voice, see your body language, your social skills, etc.

She has a chance to get to know you without you ever having to approach her.

I developed this technique in grocery stores. I would be standing in line at the store. I always talk to people in line. Girls would glance over. They would see me talking and interacting. I was no longer a stranger to them.

I could include her in the conversation or go talk to her after I paid for my groceries. It would be much easier now that she "knew" me a little.

Now, I do it on purpose. If I see a girl I like and I can't approach her exactly the way I want, I might just approach a person who is standing next to her or near by her.

This gets a social, talkative situation going. Of course, I quickly try to include her in the conversation. If I can't include her in the conversation, at least I introduced my vibe to her. Now, when I approach her 5 minutes later in the ice cream section, she already has a feel for me.

Most times, when she hears me talking she will do one of two things:

1) If she is curious or interested in me, she will make eye contact with me.

2) She will not even look my way which usually means that she is not interested.

I don't even have to open her to get a sense for how into me she is.

iknowexactly gives a good example of this in his thread here:

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-25152-...#pid476339

Try this guys. You will find yourself in a situation when this is a great move to use. When you are in that situation, try this.

If you can't open her, open the person next to her.

I've done this before on accident but I don't think I've ever seen it called out... anywhere.

This is good. Really good.

[Matt3B]

Good post Gio, that's some real value right there.

[Jaylow]

I met one of my first GF's working with me in fast food. I was stationed at driv-thru and would make crazy jokes and entertain the customers and all the girls I worked with would be listening to every word I say. In my mind I was actually indirectly joking with my co workers and not the customers. Gio's post reminds me of this.

[RCron]

Great stuff Gio! I've done this in the past completely by accident and didn't put two and two together. Like you said it lets her get comfortable with you and see how you interact with others while not putting her on the spot. Kind of like instant social proof. Definitely going to work this into my repertoire!

[Christian McQueen]

Good post. I use this constantly. Doesn't hurt that I like commanding a room and being social. Works like a charm for me when working as well.

[Beowulf]

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-25...#pid476339

Link is dead, can anyone find it?

[Ingocnito]

I've never really directly thought about this. Thanks for the tactic. It really does take the abruptness out of an approach by smoothing your way into it.

[iknowexactly]

(06-24-2013 04:10 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

This is a technique that I stumbled upon by accident. I just figured it out by trial and error.

If a girl sees you talking to someone she gets a chance to observe you. She can look at you, listen to your voice, see your body language, your social skills, etc.

She has a chance to get to know you without you ever having to approach her.

I really like this, if you open after she's seen you socializing you'll get much better data than if it was a total cold open.

The woman in my story seemed to like me right away, much more so than almost all cold opens.

The thing I LOVE the most about this is in grocery store game there's a built-in privacy pause outside the store when she leaves, which they always do-- no one stays in the store after the check out. Out there in the parking lot you can try a number close and there's rarely anyone to see you get blown out.

If they're living alone, they're maybe thinking of going back to the dreary lonely apartment, and you going for the number can be a perfect relief from that...

[iknowexactly]

(06-24-2013 11:11 PM)Beowulf Wrote:  

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-25...#pid476339

Link is dead, can anyone find it?

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-25152.html

It's the thread I started called "I hope he talks to MEEEEEeeee"

HTH

[Giovonny]

(06-24-2013 07:38 PM)soup Wrote:  

Yes, this is an observable demonstration of high value.

"Observable Demonstartion of High Value"

I like that language.

Cold approaches are the most difficult. It's nice if we can "warm" things up a bit before we approach.

If a girl sees you laughing, talking, and interacting with other people, you gain some comfort and social proof.

I also like to go to the store after the gym wearing a sleeveless shirt or a tank top. Anything to warm her up before you talk to her.

Don't forget about "The Fake Phone Call Move"

Another good way to "introduce" yourself to a girl without actually approaching.

(06-25-2013 02:38 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

The thing I LOVE the most about this is in grocery store game there's a built-in privacy pause outside the store when she leaves, which they always do-- no one stays in the store after the check out. Out there in the parking lot you can try a number close and there's rarely anyone to see you get blown out.

After talking to them in line, I like to catch them as they are leaving the store. I like to exit the store with them or catch them just as they are leaving.

Timing is crucial. After I pay for my groceries I keep an eye on her. I usually have to stall and wait for her to finish paying. I often go and get some napkins, I take my time. Or, I go and get some plastic spoons/fork, I wait for her to finish paying.

As soon as I see her make a move for the exit I walk over there so it seems like we are leaving at the same time.

I try to make it seem like a coincidence.

[Roosh]

It's sort of like a pre-approach.

When abroad I talk English loudly to my friend if there's a girl near me I like, just to see if she will look over. If she does, I know I will most likely be received well.