[OGNorCal707]

I know I'm not the only fan of easy lays on here, there is something to be said when you "rise to the occasion" and your game is "next level", but typically I prefer it when a girl cooperates from the get go. I've had my fair share of bangs where I had to disarm cock blockers, befriend "mother hens", game the group, and jump through a bunch of hoops to get the lay.

There is a certain level of satisfaction when you get the pussy on nights like those, a sense of victory or conquest, especially if the girls is mad fine. That said, if I had the option of having to deal with all that shit, or chat up a girl for 30 minutes at the bar and then say "lets get out of here", and then go straight to my house to bang, then I'd take the easier route 9 out of 10 times.

I've stated in the past that the hotter the girl, especially in relation to your looks, the tighter your game needs to be and the more "hoops" you may have potentially jump through. I suppose that it's just a fact of life, that higher caliber women will require more "work" or higher "value" to attain.

Recently my bangs for 2013, with the exception of new years' morning bang, have been pretty exceptionally easy to pull. Unfortunately keeping it 100% these chicks have been in the 5-7 range, which isn't anything to write home about, but a "6" on average in terms of looks. It probably helps my case that women most likely would rate me a "7" so a 6 is going to be about 10 X easier for me to pull than say an 8 or 9.

Last night for example I was about to throw in the towel, the bar scene was fucking weak as shit, probably about 4 to 1 guys to girls ratio, and only a few "lookers". Around 12:30 right when I was going to bail an influx of people showed up to fill in the bar, which was more or less empty, aside from all the sausage that was there previously.

I decided to linger and scope out the scene and if I eyed any prospects, I'd maybe grab one more beer and see what's popping, I rationalized spending an extra 45 mins at the bar may be worth the loss of sleep if I get something going, or at least add a prospect or two to my phone to work with.

I noticed a brunette with her friend eye fucking the shit out of me on the corner of the dancefloor, she was probably a 7 for this town. In the past I kind of would second guess these signals, but now with my experience in game knowledge, plus studying of facial expressions and body language, I'm pretty confident on picking up the signals.

I probably should have just approached the girl out right, but I kind of bitched out and rationalized that she's talking to her friend and it's too loud by the dancefloor. However, I figured I'd grab a drink and try to wait for a more strategic opportunity to try and step to her.

While I'm ordering my beer a Latina chick with a slight hippyish vibe rolled up next to me to get a drink. She wasn't that fine, probably a 6, but I figured I'd open her anyways, to at least warm up and see if I couldn't maybe create some intrigue with some other honeys.

The Latina seemed to be feeling me pretty good from the onset, the conversation was flowing pretty good, and I guess maybe because I wasn't that into her, that I didn't get any level of nervousness, my game that I was spitting was especially crisp and smooth. I conciously was aware that my game was good, my body language was on point and confident/dominant.

The Latina started to give me some cues that she was into me, so I started kinoing and flirting a bit more. At this point I wasn't really that into this chick, but she's all I really had worked with at this point in the night, and figured I'd just try to go for the easy lay up, because why not if I could get my dick sucked right?

The crucial point came when she some how said something about how she's doing laundry tomarrow and how she hated the dress she was wearing, but was running out of clean clothes. I made the comment that I thought she looked good and I liked her dress, then said with a coy smile, "how about me, how am I looking tonight?"

She said something some what dismissive, like "you're not looking that bad", but the way she said it, her facial expression and the look in her eyes, the way she kind of slightly bit her lip, etc., told me that she was in fact pretty damn attracted to me.

I replied with "oh really", and then I leaned in and went straight for a sloppy wet kiss, which she responded to by acting kind of like a dude trying to run caveman game, and straight up pulled me in and started to make out hard. It kind of caught me off guard and I actually had to physically pull myself away from her, and kind of push her off of me.

After about another 20 minutes of conversing at the bar and a couple more make outs, I suggested that "we get out of here", she gave me a little bit of resistance, saying that she had to pick up her younger 18 year old sister from some house party. I was like okay whatever is clever, your sister is an adult she'll be okay, the Latina chick was like well let me text her real quick, and apparently her sister said she was just going to crash at the house, since it was her friends place.

After about a total of 30 minutes of conversation she agreed to leave with me, she said that she wanted to drive herself and would follow me to my house. I was kind of half expecting that she wasn't going to come back when she went to retrieve her car which she had parked a couple streets away from me, but right as I was about to say fuck it and leave, she pulled up behind me.

She followed me to my house, we chilled and talked for maybe 5-10 minutes and then started going at it on the couch, then we went to my room and got down to business. It was particularly lame that she insisted that she wouldn't suck my dick without a condom on, this was the first time this has happened to me on U.S. soil, and only the second time it's happened at all.

Getting your dick sucked with a condom on is lame as shit, but I don't have to tell you guys that. Fortunately she had a really tight puss and I broke two magnum condom fucking her, and ended up raw dogging, while hitting it doggie style, when the second condom broke, pulled out and blasted all over her ass.

As soon as I busted she was like well that was fun and got her shit together and left. It was cool with me, didn't have to drive her anywhere, I got to smoke some weed and pass the fuck out.

I "invested" about 30 minutes of conversation in this girl, didn't spend a dime on her, didn't have to drive her any where, got to bust a nut, and go to sleep, without having to deal with awkwardness, or having some chick I'm not that into spend the night.

Now I know this posted dragged on and you might be thinking what's the point, the point is I like it when I don't have to put any real "work" into getting laid. It's refreshing to just meet a girl who is DTF and cooperates with no hassle or bullshit.

However, let me state that I'm not advocating that guys all go out and strive to "pick low hanging fruit" because it's easier, but there is a time and place for everything, and for some guys a nice easy lay can be what they need at times.

I would prefer to deal with a bit more hassle and put in more work if it means fucking a hotter girl who is 7.5+, but the hope is one day I will be able to fuck those chicks with the same ease that I fuck 6's...

[Nascimento]

Great read.

My approaches which sometimes number in a couple dozen at a club night are always girls in the 7-9 range.

The few times I have pulled were girls that were either borderline 7s, or a 6 at worst.

Needless to say, I have come close to pulling a few times recently, and none of those girls were in the 7-9 range. They were 6's.

I want to be getting more ONS experiences. Maybe at the moment I should focus on these 6's, get good at pulling them, and once I have more experience, focus on pulling the 7s.

All this for night game, of course.

[MrXY]

I'm all about the easy lay too. If a situation doesn't look promising or I'm having to work too hard. I'll bail out and look for a better opportunity.

I know some guys pride themselves on getting a bang after overcoming all sorts of obstacles and being persistent as hell and I respect that but that's just not for me. I feel game is challenging enough no matter how you play it and I have plenty of challenges in other arenas of my life to keep me busy, so I'm not interested in taking the harder game routes

With regard to hotter girls, I don't think they necessarily require more work at all. Some of the hottest girls I've ever banged required the least effort. What they do require though, I agree, is much tighter game. Of course, achieving tight game takes a lot of work on the front end but once you have it it can pay off quickly in an interaction.

[Nomad77]

1. In my experience the best girls in the sack have been in the 7 - 8 range. You get above that and they are usually too much into themselves and how they look. If I am looking for sex, I rarely go after higher end girls. They don't have to do shit and they know it. They don't have be good sexually or in any other way... Also if a girl is really into you she will be more motivated to please you.

2. The only way you are going to bang 8+ girls consistently with the same ease as a 6 is if you have some kind of fame or status. Like a singer or movie star or something. Even being rich won't make it that much easier.

[CJ_W]

(06-22-2013 01:12 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  

I know I'm not the only fan of easy lays on here, there is something to be said when you "rise to the occasion" and your game is "next level", but typically I prefer it when a girl cooperates from the get go. I've had my fair share of bangs where I had to disarm cock blockers, befriend "mother hens", game the group, and jump through a bunch of hoops to get the lay.

There is a certain level of satisfaction when you get the pussy on nights like those, a sense of victory or conquest, especially if the girls is mad fine. That said, if I had the option of having to deal with all that shit, or chat up a girl for 30 minutes at the bar and then say "lets get out of here", and then go straight to my house to bang, then I'd take the easier route 9 out of 10 times.

I've stated in the past that the hotter the girl, especially in relation to your looks, the tighter your game needs to be and the more "hoops" you may have potentially jump through. I suppose that it's just a fact of life, that higher caliber women will require more "work" or higher "value" to attain.

Recently my bangs for 2013, with the exception of new years' morning bang, have been pretty exceptionally easy to pull. Unfortunately keeping it 100% these chicks have been in the 5-7 range, which isn't anything to write home about, but a "6" on average in terms of looks. It probably helps my case that women most likely would rate me a "7" so a 6 is going to be about 10 X easier for me to pull than say an 8 or 9.

Last night for example I was about to throw in the towel, the bar scene was fucking weak as shit, probably about 4 to 1 guys to girls ratio, and only a few "lookers". Around 12:30 right when I was going to bail an influx of people showed up to fill in the bar, which was more or less empty, aside from all the sausage that was there previously.

I decided to linger and scope out the scene and if I eyed any prospects, I'd maybe grab one more beer and see what's popping, I rationalized spending an extra 45 mins at the bar may be worth the loss of sleep if I get something going, or at least add a prospect or two to my phone to work with.

I noticed a brunette with her friend eye fucking the shit out of me on the corner of the dancefloor, she was probably a 7 for this town. In the past I kind of would second guess these signals, but now with my experience in game knowledge, plus studying of facial expressions and body language, I'm pretty confident on picking up the signals.

I probably should have just approached the girl out right, but I kind of bitched out and rationalized that she's talking to her friend and it's too loud by the dancefloor. However, I figured I'd grab a drink and try to wait for a more strategic opportunity to try and step to her.

While I'm ordering my beer a Latina chick with a slight hippyish vibe rolled up next to me to get a drink. She wasn't that fine, probably a 6, but I figured I'd open her anyways, to at least warm up and see if I couldn't maybe create some intrigue with some other honeys.

The Latina seemed to be feeling me pretty good from the onset, the conversation was flowing pretty good, and I guess maybe because I wasn't that into her, that I didn't get any level of nervousness, my game that I was spitting was especially crisp and smooth. I conciously was aware that my game was good, my body language was on point and confident/dominant.

The Latina started to give me some cues that she was into me, so I started kinoing and flirting a bit more. At this point I wasn't really that into this chick, but she's all I really had worked with at this point in the night, and figured I'd just try to go for the easy lay up, because why not if I could get my dick sucked right?

The crucial point came when she some how said something about how she's doing laundry tomarrow and how she hated the dress she was wearing, but was running out of clean clothes. I made the comment that I thought she looked good and I liked her dress, then said with a coy smile, "how about me, how am I looking tonight?"

She said something some what dismissive, like "you're not looking that bad", but the way she said it, her facial expression and the look in her eyes, the way she kind of slightly bit her lip, etc., told me that she was in fact pretty damn attracted to me.

I replied with "oh really", and then I leaned in and went straight for a sloppy wet kiss, which she responded to by acting kind of like a dude trying to run caveman game, and straight up pulled me in and started to make out hard. It kind of caught me off guard and I actually had to physically pull myself away from her, and kind of push her off of me.

After about another 20 minutes of conversing at the bar and a couple more make outs, I suggested that "we get out of here", she gave me a little bit of resistance, saying that she had to pick up her younger 18 year old sister from some house party. I was like okay whatever is clever, your sister is an adult she'll be okay, the Latina chick was like well let me text her real quick, and apparently her sister said she was just going to crash at the house, since it was her friends place.

After about a total of 30 minutes of conversation she agreed to leave with me, she said that she wanted to drive herself and would follow me to my house. I was kind of half expecting that she wasn't going to come back when she went to retrieve her car which she had parked a couple streets away from me, but right as I was about to say fuck it and leave, she pulled up behind me.

She followed me to my house, we chilled and talked for maybe 5-10 minutes and then started going at it on the couch, then we went to my room and got down to business. It was particularly lame that she insisted that she wouldn't suck my dick without a condom on, this was the first time this has happened to me on U.S. soil, and only the second time it's happened at all.

Getting your dick sucked with a condom on is lame as shit, but I don't have to tell you guys that. Fortunately she had a really tight puss and I broke two magnum condom fucking her, and ended up raw dogging, while hitting it doggie style, when the second condom broke, pulled out and blasted all over her ass.

As soon as I busted she was like well that was fun and got her shit together and left. It was cool with me, didn't have to drive her anywhere, I got to smoke some weed and pass the fuck out.

I "invested" about 30 minutes of conversation in this girl, didn't spend a dime on her, didn't have to drive her any where, got to bust a nut, and go to sleep, without having to deal with awkwardness, or having some chick I'm not that into spend the night.

Now I know this posted dragged on and you might be thinking what's the point, the point is I like it when I don't have to put any real "work" into getting laid. It's refreshing to just meet a girl who is DTF and cooperates with no hassle or bullshit.

However, let me state that I'm not advocating that guys all go out and strive to "pick low hanging fruit" because it's easier, but there is a time and place for everything, and for some guys a nice easy lay can be what they need at times.

I would prefer to deal with a bit more hassle and put in more work if it means fucking a hotter girl who is 7.5+, but the hope is one day I will be able to fuck those chicks with the same ease that I fuck 6's...

I like this, and really There are women out there that will give you situations like this, and they are decent looking at times and rarely hot. Ive had this happen to me with a 9 twice. . .in my whole life and few times with 5-7's if I could life my life like that though, it would be awesome. I'd spend more time doing what *I* like to do and what I have a passion for rather than trying to put in work

But then again maybe that's the secret of it all. I dunno.

[Cr33pin]

(06-22-2013 01:58 PM)CJ_W Wrote:  

I like this, and really There are women out there that will give you situations like this, and they are decent looking at times and rarely hot. Ive had this happen to me with a 9 twice. . .in my whole life and few times with 5-7's if I could life my life like that though, it would be awesome. I'd spend more time doing what *I* like to do and what I have a passion for rather than trying to put in work

But then again maybe that's the secret of it all. I dunno.

Did you really have to quote the whole long ass original post? I think you could have just responded an us smart Rooshers would have figured out that you were replying to the thread.........

[speakeasy]

OG, I feel the same way. I'm the first to admit I don't like working hard. I feel like meeting women should be fun, not feel like work. I don't like putting effort into a bitch that isn't putting similar effort into me. I have too much pride for that. I might chat up a chic that's an 8, but if she doesn't seem to be warming up within a few minutes, I'm not going to linger in there all night long trying to "game" her unless she's giving me positive feedback in return. Honestly, most my bangs have been from girls who showed IOIs from the second they saw me. I have a very difficult time with girls who don't show any initial IOIs to the point that I don't even waste my time on them anymore. That's why I haven't bothered with daygame. I'm not saying everyone should do as I'm doing and if gaming difficult girls works for you, by all means do it. But I'm not interested.

Like this girl I smashed a few weeks ago, from the second we met, she was all smiles and was putting in effort to the interaction. Meaning she was fun to talk to and be around. I need more than looks to motivate me. I need a girl who acts friendly, sweet and is putting in at least some effort as well. I don't want to try and put a bunch of effort into a bitch that's acting cold just in the remote hope that I'll turn it around and be able to brag about how great my game was. Who cares. Pussy is pussy. Like lightening, I'll take the path of least resistance any day. If I want a challenge I'll go spar with some Brazilian Jujitsu guys.

[CJ_W]

(06-22-2013 09:15 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

OG, I feel the same way. I'm the first to admit I don't like working hard. I feel like meeting women should be fun, not feel like work. I don't like putting effort into a bitch that isn't putting similar effort into me. I have too much pride for that. I might chat up a chic that's an 8, but if she doesn't seem to be warming up within a few minutes, I'm not going to linger in there all night long trying to "game" her unless she's giving me positive feedback in return. Honestly, most my bangs have been from girls who showed IOIs from the second they saw me. I have a very difficult time with girls who don't show any initial IOIs to the point that I don't even waste my time on them anymore. That's why I haven't bothered with daygame. I'm not saying everyone should do as I'm doing and if gaming difficult girls works for you, by all means do it. But I'm not interested.

Like this girl I smashed a few weeks ago, from the second we met, she was all smiles and was putting in effort to the interaction. Meaning she was fun to talk to and be around. I need more than looks to motivate me. I need a girl who acts friendly, sweet and is putting in at least some effort as well. I don't want to try and put a bunch of effort into a bitch that's acting cold just in the remote hope that I'll turn it around and be able to brag about how great my game was. Who cares. Pussy is pussy. Like lightening, I'll take the path of least resistance any day. If I want a challenge I'll go spar with some Brazilian Jujitsu guys.

I like your style of thinking. This is especially true if y youve spent tons of time trying to bang challenging hot women. I used to do day game, and night game a lot in my earlly 20's. After a while it just got way too tiring and I realized that I wasted a year and a half doing this. Sure I got lays but I could have been making a lot more money that I Had been.

[Neo]

Nice post, I'm an easy lay guy myself. I don't like wasting anymore time that is necessary. I just don't get any satisfaction with hitting up a large group, disarming the cockblockers, etc. etc.

One thing I've been focusing on the last year or so is honing my instincts and developing a sixth sense of what type of girls are into me and DTF. I used to approach anything, but now it's really only a select few girls. I honed these skills in the downtime in bars by just observing. You'd be amazed what you can learn by observing the scene for a few minutes. Many times the signs are very very subtle as opposed to obvious things like proximity, a girl touching you etc. It could be as subtle as you walking by and a girl looking at you a certain way for a nanosecond, the way she's seated towards you, etc. things that are very easy to miss.

The biggest factor I've found is trusting myself and not psyching myself out. A lot of times it's weird, because it's as if my mind knows which girls will be into me and I can't logically figure out the reason, I've learned to trust this intuition and just go for it. I'll go and approach and most of the time the girl will be hanging off me after 30 minutes. Our experiences and observations are our strongest weapons, so we need to use them.

A cool exercise you can do anywhere is when you're in a group of people is to observe things until you can confidently read and feel the vibe in the room. I do this at work all the time and I can figure out the feelings people have towards each other without them ever saying a word.

[Hencredible Casanova]

I prefer to focus on higher quality chicks. If an easy layup falls in your lap, then do what you got to do, but I think it's important for your overall game to strive for the talent. Your inner game, confidence, and overall well-being will improve as a result. That's actually how you get better. I know that personally I get mildly depressed after smashing a girl that's not dope. Seriously. That's not inspiring so I wouldn't focus my game on going for layups. The biggest barrier many guys have to going after talent is their fear of rejection. Don't internalize rejection and that's more than half the battle taken care of. Another issue is finding target rich venues. Venue selection is crucial. Being in the right environment can make all the difference. When ratios are on balance and quality is decent, you have a better chance at success. That's really where the "work" comes in. Beyond that, all you have left to do is approach.

[Parlay44]

Head while wearing a condom? I'll pass. I'd rather have her massage my cock till its rock hard.

Good post otherwise. She's the perfect type to keep on speed dial for a late night booty call.

I'd like to add that I always cum harder and more intensely the hotter the girl is. Feels like I drop twice the load of a usual session. It's like my cock is having the dry heaves

[WestIndianArchie]

Who doesn't like an easy lay?

I was saying on the newb board, if most guys would
- recognize the signs that a chick is eyefucking you
- no hesitation on the step up
- eat better, start working out
- get their logistical game together

They'd be in a whole new class of pussy. Stringing together a few months of success, and the internal confidence would soar.

Same thing could be said for being a good employee. Seeing the opportunities, hopping on them before anyone else can, making your boss look good - before you know it, you're on track to get more opportunities and more money.

But giving yourself a challenge is what opens your eyes. and constantly challenging yourself is what gets you to that next level.

Some of that might just be ego-stroking, but some of it won't be.

It's the difference between buying a nice designer suit on sale @ Nordstrom's and going to Savile Row for a meeting with your tailor about what new suits you'll need for Fall.

WIA

[soup]

(06-23-2013 01:35 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

I prefer to focus on higher quality chicks. If an easy layup falls in your lap, then do what you got to do, but I think it's important for your overall game to strive for the talent. Your inner game, confidence, and overall well-being will improve as a result. That's actually how you get better. I know that personally I get mildly depressed after smashing a girl that's not dope. Seriously. That's not inspiring so I wouldn't focus my game on going for layups. The biggest barrier many guys have to going after talent is their fear of rejection. Don't internalize rejection and that's more than half the battle taken care of. Another issue is finding target rich venues. Venue selection is crucial. Being in the right environment can make all the difference. When ratios are on balance and quality is decent, you have a better chance at success. That's really where the "work" comes in. Beyond that, all you have left to do is approach.

For this reason, it can be easier to approach more attractive girls.

Chances are that she will reject you. You can expect the rejection, and that frees you from investment in the encounter. Don't worry about messing up, because she's probably not going to go for you anyway. You win in the long run because you will be able to build experience by approaching and getting rejected by many attractive women.

Maybe you will hit a tipping point and polarity will reverse.

Combine that with any knowledge you get here about how to connect with attractive women, and I think it's possible for most guys to attain the most coveted poos with patience, persistence, and perspective.

[VincentVinturi]

I find zero correlation between how fine a girl is and how easy it is to go to bed with her.

If anything, more attractive girls are MUCH more approachable. But I should clarify -- there's a difference between "attractive" girls and "hot" girls. Attractive girls are simply beautiful girls with nice features. "Hot" girls are attractive but also play the stereotypical hard to get, bitchy role and carry themselves with an attitude like "you have to work for me, I'm that great. Impress me. Entertain me." At which point I'm thinking I don't have to impress SHIT!

And it may be satisfying on an ego level to 'conquer' one of these chicks. But like a few posters mentioned above, I'd rather listen to my spidey sense and watch the signals for girls who WANT to be in bed with me.

Also find zero correlation between sexual prowess and appearance. Just my experience.

[Frank Mackey]

(06-24-2013 04:02 AM)VincentVinturi Wrote:  

I find zero correlation between how fine a girl is and how easy it is to go to bed with her.

honestly, you must either have bad pritt looks/style and black belt game skills or you cannot belong to this planet to say something like this... I would be happy to live in the world where a model would be as easy to pull as a desperate fat girl.

[w00t]

Here is how I see it.

I would rate myself a 7 and most of my bangs were easy and quick.
Those are all girls who are a bit less attractive than me, 5-6.

The chicks in my own range or slightly above (7-8) always play mindgames and want me to work for it.

The top shelf is pretty much off limits for an average dude like me, you need some kind of edge to get them.

According to this model it must be great to be a male 9-10 you could be banging 7-8s with minimal effort.

[VincentVinturi]

Quote:

honestly, you must either have bad pritt looks/style and black belt game skills or you cannot belong to this planet to say something like this... I would be happy to live in the world where a model would be as easy to pull as a desperate fat girl.

Ok good point, the way I worded that is confusing.

What I mean is, say you have a pair of identical twins: Donna and Jenna.

They're both extremely beautiful. Donna is a total biatch and acts like the world owes her everything. "Men have to WORK for me, impress me, shower me with attention." She's a club rat and gets a thrill on tooling dudes for free drinks and then telling them to piss off. I approached her once in a confident, direct manner and she asked me if I get my shirt at walmart (it was a custom fitted shirt from a NYC tailor...) She was smirking a little so maybe I could have rallied the troops and plotted a devious strategy to get her naked. But I decided she's what Alan Roger Currie would call a "manipulator" type.

Jenna is equally beautiful but she quit her boring job to go travel. I met her in the South of Thailand on an island. We had some beers and talked about the movie American Beauty while the sun set over the beach. She knew she was gorgeous but she liked me and didn't try to hide it or manipulate me. I took her by the hand silently and walked back to my room. I shut the door and turned the lights off. Jenna is what Alan Roger Currie would call a "reciprocator" type.

...That's all I'm sayin'. :-)

[Kilgo]

At one point several years ago I lived in an apartment complex where I hooked up semi-regularly with the girl upstairs. She was a 6, nothing to brag about, but it really took the pressure off when hitting the bar/club scene. You might think that would make me be lazier about approaches but the opposite was true. I knew I had that 6 banked, let me work on the 7-to-9 range chicks since I knew I was getting laid either way. It was the equivalent of hitting the $32,000 level on the original Who Wants To Be A Millionaire without any lifelines -- a free shot at the $64,000 question with nothing to lose. It really did a number on the whole Fear of Rejection problem. That was a fun time in my life and an era when I was able to improve my game considerably.

[IpsaScientiaPotestasEst]

(06-25-2013 06:39 PM)Kilgo Wrote:  

At one point several years ago I lived in an apartment complex where I hooked up semi-regularly with the girl upstairs. She was a 6, nothing to brag about, but it really took the pressure off when hitting the bar/club scene. You might think that would make me be lazier about approaches but the opposite was true. I knew I had that 6 banked, let me work on the 7-to-9 range chicks since I knew I was getting laid either way. It was the equivalent of hitting the $32,000 level on the original Who Wants To Be A Millionaire without any lifelines -- a free shot at the $64,000 question with nothing to lose. It really did a number on the whole Fear of Rejection problem. That was a fun time in my life and an era when I was able to improve my game considerably.

That's the abundance mentality my friend. Interesting how it motivated you to go for the home runs/bombshells instead of just anything solid.

As stated earlier in this thread and what keeps coming up, the importance of recognizing a womans signals/body language is SEVERELY important-or at the least can really help. I was up in DC about a month ago, and was meeting one of my boys/wing's roommates (the roommate was a girl). Well this girl had her boy with her-but she also had a nice female friend. When the roommates were talking (the female roommate was positioned between me and her friend), I noticed her friend eyeing me HARD. Not just looking but DEFINITELY checking me out. I gamed her later on throughout the night and she ended up crashing at the place.

I always harp on body language/understanding signals-but it will help you out a LOT if you can. The thread on tendencies/signs when a girl is DTF is also golden. Particular, maybe people will disagree or not but you can almost ALWAYS read things in her eyes. If she wants to kiss you, if shes thinking your hot stuff, etc.

We ALL want our easy lays from time to time, but challenging yourself is what acquires you with new skill sets or allows you to tackle challenges in a new way which forces you to grow/get better.

Adapt or die my friends.