[thegmanifesto]

(06-19-2013 02:21 PM)John Galt2 Wrote:  

How do I spend my time? First, I will give you some background on me so you have some frame of reference. I am 39, never married, 6 ft, fit (12% body fat), average game, live in Chicago, mid 7 figure net worth, work for myself.

So generally I will put in 25 hours per week managing my investments/business. I will go out 2-3x per week and travel every other weekend, usually with a member of my soft harem (I rotate 2-3 girls)

Example week -
Sun - sleep in, lift weights, run all my errands, cook a steak dinner
Mon - up early, run, spend the day at one of my portfolio companies
Tue - investment review, workout, dinner date w/some (hopefully attractive) girl
Wed - up early, run, spend the day at one of my portfolio companies
Thu - lift weights, doctor appt, meet some friends out for after work beers
Fri - early flight to Montreal for the weekend with a girl or solo

Hope this was helpful.

On the low, one of the best posters on the forum right here.

Now, bust out some Montreal Data for the crew!

(06-19-2013 03:55 PM)Atilla Wrote:  

I recently read the comments section in response to an article about whether women should split the bill. One person who, if truthful, was a man, said he didn’t see the big deal in spending $100 a week on dating. Can you believe that? I don’t even think I could enjoy sex with a girl costing $100/week. That’s $5200 a year buddy! You begin putting $5200 a year into a Roth IRA at 20 earning a 7% annual return, you’ll have over $1 million at 60 and not have to pay a dime in taxes on it.

It is all relative.

You can enjoy life and drop $800 a week on dating, and get hit by a car at age 50.

Who enjoyed life more?

The guy who pinched pennies, or the guy who enjoyed life?

Also, the guy who dropped money on dating might have been doing it with a rich girl who had access to a beautiful rent-free chateau in The French Riviera (not saying this is me of course, just coming up with a hypothetical example that is totally and completely not based on me. Really it's not. I swear.)

While the guy pinching pennies stayed in youth hostels his whole life and got his Iphone stolen.

Who would you rather be?

It is not always about the amount of money you spend.

Spending money can also make you money. Many people don't grasp that concept.

(I have been actually meaning to do a thread on this.)

[WestCoast]

Penny pinching is for idiots. If you want to make money you have to take a risk and run the probability of success.

Question: "If I gave you 10:1 odds on a coin flip how much do you wager"

Answer: as much as you can afford to lose. Practically no one gets the answer right.

So if the expected outcome is positive just go all in.

Problem is most guys don't know the difference between blowing money to "get connections" and actually getting solid real connections. You buying a rich guy a $20 drink and he won't care, if you add value to a rich guy's life he will definitely keep you around.

If you're looking to make money or get connected going to high end spots is where it is at. The major issue of course, is most people have nothing to offer a successful man because success breeds success. The even harder issue is getting the right connection, ie: you could very well piss away a lot of time helping some cynical, dorky loser who at the end of the day simply wastes your time.

Knowing if the guy you are talking to is worth your own time is damned near impossible, and if anyone can drop info on filtering those people out that book would sell to millions.

[Sherman]

(06-19-2013 10:31 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(06-19-2013 09:14 AM)Sherman Wrote:  

A million dollars really isn't that much anymore thanks to the Fed making money free. Many of us have that saved up in our retirement savings. But you can't retire on a million. At the current "risk free" rate of about 1 %, a million dollars gets you a lifestyle of $10,000 a year. I choose to live in third world countries where I can live cheaply and make my money grow. I get up at 5:30 am and work until 9:30 p.m. taking breaks during the day. It's easy to do because I am doing things that interest me. I also have female companionship when I want. Men seem to spend a lot of time hunting women in the US which takes time away from productive work.

Sherm, where are you in Mex?

Can you drop any knowledge on favorite beachtowns?

What is your take on Playa del Carmen?

I have lived in various places in the Baja, but I don't go further south than Ensenada so I can get to my mailbox in the US.  There are plenty of nice place to rent inexpensively near the beach from Playas, to Rosarito, and as far south as Ensenada.  Americans have been staying away but that may be changing.  It's a good place if you still want to be near the US.  There are actually guys here who rent in Mexico and work in San Diego.  This is only feasible if you are in the Sentri Program.

Here is a picture from my balcony which is nice for entertaining lady friends.

   

[Seadog]

As others mentioned, I think that many people tie their sense of self-worth and accomplishment to their jobs. This is because their lives are pretty boring and uneventful outside of it. So in that sense, I think you'd need a progressive hobby where you can have some sort of definite sense of progression and accomplishment.

Some of the things I would do would be, get big into scuba diving. More ratings, more dives, deeper depths. I have a couple dive instructor friends and as a job, it's a grind. Remove the worry about money and *having* to do it, and seems like a good deal.

Martial arts: same idea of progression, various belts, side effect is get in great shape.

Mountain climbing: sort of like diving, seems like its two categories of people. The passionate ones who have been doing it forever, scraping by doing tourism jobs trying to get enough money together for their next climb, and moneyed people looking for thrills. You could be the latter.

Academia: When I was a kid I always thought paleontologist or archaeologist would be a cool gig. Go back to school, take it seriously, get into programs where you get to travel to digs and sites. Again you can progress there, make a name for your self. Sort of like a 'job' but again, if you don't need the money, you can do it on your terms. These sorts of projects seem like they're always short cash. Side effect there is that you have access to the women, and really from a resource standpoint, universities give you access to a ton of things which a lot of people don't take advantage of, instead just party all the time. (clubs, sports facilities, labs etc)

[Atilla]

(06-19-2013 05:18 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(06-19-2013 03:55 PM)Atilla Wrote:  

I recently read the comments section in response to an article about whether women should split the bill. One person who, if truthful, was a man, said he didn’t see the big deal in spending $100 a week on dating. Can you believe that? I don’t even think I could enjoy sex with a girl costing $100/week. That’s $5200 a year buddy! You begin putting $5200 a year into a Roth IRA at 20 earning a 7% annual return, you’ll have over $1 million at 60 and not have to pay a dime in taxes on it.

It is all relative.

You can enjoy life and drop $800 a week on dating, and get hit by a car at age 50.

Who enjoyed life more?

The guy who pinched pennies, or the guy who enjoyed life?

Also, the guy who dropped money on dating might have been doing it with a rich girl who had access to a beautiful rent-free chateau in The French Riviera (not saying this is me of course, just coming up with a hypothetical example that is totally and completely not based on me. Really it's not. I swear.)

While the guy pinching pennies stayed in youth hostels his whole life and got his Iphone stolen.

Who would you rather be?

It is not always about the amount of money you spend.

Spending money can also make you money. Many people don't grasp that concept.

(I have been actually meaning to do a thread on this.)

Good point, and I’ve been starting to look more toward gaining experiences over penny-pinching, a habit I might have developed naturally as an immigrant. I’ve just been sick of spending so much of my life totally broke and living in bad neighborhoods that I’ve let it turn me into a cheapskate (except on rent).

I guess it just stood out for me more since $100 every week would be harder on me financially. That guy could very well have been in a completely different situation and either way, you definitely don’t want to appear cheap or low-status with women if you want to get more bang for your buck.

There was a really interesting ROK article on getting tables and bottles at clubs which alluded to the fact that by appearing high-status, one can potentially spend less money for more bangs over time.

It’s an advanced concept to grasp that loosening up the wallet could lead to saving or making more money over time. It would be a great thread idea because I know I’d appreciate some wisdom!

[LeBeau]

I haven't read through the whole thread, not sure if this has been covered already. Here's what I posted when 2Wycked had a similar question and based on your posts it seems like it would also apply:

Quote:

I can tell you have a pretty analytic mind, one thing that helps for staying interested in new hobbies is goal setting around new skills or pursuit of mastery.

Say you get bored with typical routines at the gym, maybe switch it up with a skill you always admired but never really seriously attempted. I'm thinking more bodyweight things like learning backflips, handstands, rope climbs, etc. You can go pretty in depth learning about all the different approaches, variations, etc. and will often surprise yourself.

Another checklist approach to hobbies is what else you can do to round yourself out as a man, as some posters have already mentioned. Self defense, hunting, organizing events/parties (leadership role), etc.

I'm one of those men that could retire tomorrow and never be bored, I find so many things interesting.

When people ask for advice about this, I usually tell them to focus on passions that give you a return on knowledge, physical skills, getting outside of comfort zone, etc.

This is opposed to things like collecting coins, stamps, etc. or hours of videogames each day, since at the end of it, you're left with either just niche material stuff, or simulated experiences.

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-24650-...#pid465712

[Que enspastic]

whoever said mountaineering was onto something.

rich people with time on their hands love climbing mountains on different continents. not a cheap exercise.

[thegmanifesto]

(06-19-2013 08:32 PM)Sherman Wrote:  

(06-19-2013 10:31 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(06-19-2013 09:14 AM)Sherman Wrote:  

A million dollars really isn't that much anymore thanks to the Fed making money free. Many of us have that saved up in our retirement savings. But you can't retire on a million. At the current "risk free" rate of about 1 %, a million dollars gets you a lifestyle of $10,000 a year. I choose to live in third world countries where I can live cheaply and make my money grow. I get up at 5:30 am and work until 9:30 p.m. taking breaks during the day. It's easy to do because I am doing things that interest me. I also have female companionship when I want. Men seem to spend a lot of time hunting women in the US which takes time away from productive work.

Sherm, where are you in Mex?

Can you drop any knowledge on favorite beachtowns?

What is your take on Playa del Carmen?

I have lived in various places in the Baja, but I don't go further south than Ensenada so I can get to my mailbox in the US.  There are plenty of nice place to rent inexpensively near the beach from Playas, to Rosarito, and as far south as Ensenada.  Americans have been staying away but that may be changing.  It's a good place if you still want to be near the US.  There are actually guys here who rent in Mexico and work in San Diego.  This is only feasible if you are in the Sentri Program.

Here is a picture from my balcony which is nice for entertaining lady friends.

Sick.

How do you find the girls down there?

I have spent a ton of time in your exact stomping grounds. I had a crib down there when I was 20-21 or so for a number of years.

It was almost 100% a surfing and chilling thing, not a girl swooping thing.

I never found the partying to be worthwhile outside of Tijuana, although I don't know Ensenada nightlife well.

Are you down there to surf?

I would be interested in any info you are willing to share about that place in a Data Sheet more for reminiscing sake, but if you don't want to share about that part of the world I understand 100%.

[snoop]

(06-19-2013 03:55 PM)Atilla Wrote:  

I’m glad we’re discussing sex in relation to making money because it’s usually not taken seriously as a means of generating long-term wealth. You’ve all heard about lawyers making $40k/year, lottery winners and NFL players quickly going bankrupt, doctors worth less than their secretaries, and minimum-wage earners saving fortunes.

I recently read the comments section in response to an article about whether women should split the bill. One person who, if truthful, was a man, said he didn’t see the big deal in spending $100 a week on dating. Can you believe that? I don’t even think I could enjoy sex with a girl costing $100/week. That’s $5200 a year buddy! You begin putting $5200 a year into a Roth IRA at 20 earning a 7% annual return, you’ll have over $1 million at 60 and not have to pay a dime in taxes on it.

consider that half that amount is being spent on himself since he is also on those dates, so that is amount someone would typically spend on themselves anyway.

And what leisure activity would you rather spend 2500-5000 a year on?

[Sherman]

(06-20-2013 12:40 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

Sick.

How do you find the girls down there?

I have spent a ton of time in your exact stomping grounds. I had a crib down there when I was 20-21 or so for a number of years.

It was almost 100% a surfing and chilling thing, not a girl swooping thing.

I never found the partying to be worthwhile outside of Tijuana, although I don't know Ensenada nightlife well.

Are you down there to surf?

I would be interested in any info you are willing to share about that place in a Data Sheet more for reminiscing sake, but if you don't want to share about that part of the world I understand 100%.

There's nothing to hide. I think the difference is actually living here and having a nice place. I find I get a more favorable response when I disclose that I am living here full time and not a tourist. It is also important to be able to carry on a conversation in Spanish. I am not a big fan of clubs and don't think they are easy places to meet women. There are chicas all over. At any special event you will always have plenty of Edecanes to talk too. I even had my hairstylist hook me up once.

[Atilla]

(06-20-2013 08:04 AM)snoop Wrote:  

(06-19-2013 03:55 PM)Atilla Wrote:  

I recently read the comments section in response to an article about whether women should split the bill. One person who, if truthful, was a man, said he didn’t see the big deal in spending $100 a week on dating. Can you believe that? I don’t even think I could enjoy sex with a girl costing $100/week. That’s $5200 a year buddy! You begin putting $5200 a year into a Roth IRA at 20 earning a 7% annual return, you’ll have over $1 million at 60 and not have to pay a dime in taxes on it.

consider that half that amount is being spent on himself since he is also on those dates, so that is amount someone would typically spend on themselves anyway.

And what leisure activity would you rather spend 2500-5000 a year on?

I wouldn’t automatically say half that money is being spent on myself. I don’t want to try the latest cappuccino, eat at expensive restaurants, or do anything with a woman really. That amount doesn’t even factor in money for clothes and gas or all the time, effort, and frustration required just to get to the point where a girl will give you permission to spend $2600 to $5200 a year on her.

If $5200 guaranteed me a harem of many 10s throughout the year treating me very well and giving me sex whenever I want, that’s one thing, but if my experiences with foreign women have been substantially better as far as companionship, sex, and love are concerned, it’s a strong signal that the $5200 may not be so worth it in America.

I mentioned earlier that the more respectful girls in the US with their own jobs aren’t going to require you to spend that kind of money. These are definitely the types of girls I prefer and it’s hard to grasp that many men would rather chase a status-obsessed girl and spend enormous amounts of money on her so she can feel like Kim Kardashian because that’s what every girl deserves.

As cardguy wrote in the very entertaining MGTOW thread, if you aren’t completely satisfied with a girl at home and the way she’s treating you, just remember you can fuck a much hotter girl in Amsterdam or Germany for about $100.

[worldwidetraveler]

(06-20-2013 12:15 PM)Atilla Wrote:  

I wouldn’t automatically say half that money is being spent on myself. I don’t want to try the latest cappuccino, eat at expensive restaurants, or do anything with a woman really. That amount doesn’t even factor in money for clothes and gas or all the time, effort, and frustration required just to get to the point where a girl will give you permission to spend $2600 to $5200 a year on her.

If $5200 guaranteed me a harem of many 10s throughout the year treating me very well and giving me sex whenever I want, that’s one thing, but if my experiences with foreign women have been substantially better as far as companionship, sex, and love are concerned, it’s a strong signal that the $5200 may not be so worth it in America.

I mentioned earlier that the more respectful girls in the US with their own jobs aren’t going to require you to spend that kind of money. These are definitely the types of girls I prefer and it’s hard to grasp that many men would rather chase a status-obsessed girl and spend enormous amounts of money on her so she can feel like Kim Kardashian because that’s what every girl deserves.

As cardguy wrote in the very entertaining MGTOW thread, if you aren’t completely satisfied with a girl at home and the way she’s treating you, just remember you can fuck a much hotter girl in Amsterdam or Germany for about $100.

Man, there are some cheap people on here. Breaking down yearly dating costs is kind of funny. I just don't understand the limited mindset. I rather enjoy myself and not worry about spending money even if it is buying a girl a strawberry. Hell, if she makes me laugh I may throw in some whip cream.

[iknowexactly]

(06-19-2013 09:14 AM)Sherman Wrote:  

A million dollars really isn't that much anymore thanks to the Fed making money free. Many of us have that saved up in our retirement savings. But you can't retire on a million. At the current "risk free" rate of about 1 %, a million dollars gets you a lifestyle of $10,000 a year.

There's no such thing as risk free, in fact no matter what we do we end up dead, buried ( or burnt), and forgotten.

But with a million and fairly small risk you could buy 10,000 shares of McDonalds which would net you about 30-something thousand a year based on their 3%+ dividend.

McDonalds is a dividend aristocrat, which means it has increased its dividend amount ( absolute amount, not the per cent) every years without exception for at least 25 years regardless of stock price up or downs.

Take a look at the size of the assess in Walmart (also a good dividend payer) and you will believe in McDonalds..lol

[Atilla]

(06-20-2013 12:21 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

Man, there are some cheap people on here. Breaking down yearly dating costs is kind of funny. I just don't understand the limited mindset. I rather enjoy myself and not worry about spending money even if it is buying a girl a strawberry. Hell, if she makes me laugh I may throw in some whip cream.

I try never to appear cheap on dates because by appearing stingy, I’ll have wasted money and time on her if she doesn’t put out.

The purpose of dating is to get sex. Either she puts out by the 2nd-4th date, or she has to pay on dates. She doesn’t get to determine her own market value just because the media said this is what girls deserve.

Like WestCoast said, the day I need to spend more than $200 for sex is when I’m just sticking with escorts. I'm a handsome 27-year-old and I’ve already made five-figure gains in my investments. All I can say is when I’m an old, ugly man and I pull out several million from my 401(K) and IRA, I’m going fucking wild in Amsterdam.

[worldwidetraveler]

(06-20-2013 12:44 PM)Atilla Wrote:  

The purpose of dating is to get sex. Either she puts out by the 2nd-4th date, or she has to pay on dates. She doesn’t get to determine her own market value just because the media said this is what girls deserve.

You should hit up prostitutes if the only goal is to get sex. Some of us like to actually have fun with women. I know, crazy concept. I'll let you worry about dating calculations and market value.

[WestCoast]

Lol man I am not saying 200 bucks is good or bad for everyone I think I need to do a post on my overall view on the game + belief system.

Having fun with girls beyond sex is important too. If it was all transactional just go to Tijuana on a monthly basis.

[Que enspastic]

(06-20-2013 12:21 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

Man, there are some cheap people on here. Breaking down yearly dating costs is kind of funny. I just don't understand the limited mindset. I rather enjoy myself and not worry about spending money even if it is buying a girl a strawberry. Hell, if she makes me laugh I may throw in some whip cream.

i might get a girl a strawberry, depends whether the strawberry is at wimbledon, at the supermarket or growing wild in a field. the whip cream sounds excessive, might blow the budget for year.

[Atilla]

(06-20-2013 12:46 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

You should hit up prostitutes if the only goal is to get sex. Some of us like to actually have fun with women. I know, crazy concept. I'll let you worry about dating calculations and market value.

I like to have fun with women too. Last week I banged a petite and demure 19-year-old brunette with an incredibly tight waist and let me tell you the view from behind with her tiny waist and little butt was just unbelievable. She was 19 years old.

All I’m saying is that $5200 a year is too hard on me personally, but that it’s also relative and there could potentially be an overall outcome that does make it worthwhile.

It’s not totally transactional since I wouldn’t date a girl I didn’t enjoy being around, but I watch my cost-per-notch carefully. For the record, I’ve never had sex with a prostitute, but it’s something I look forward to when I’m older and my looks go.

[worldwidetraveler]

(06-20-2013 01:10 PM)Atilla Wrote:  

(06-20-2013 12:46 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

You should hit up prostitutes if the only goal is to get sex. Some of us like to actually have fun with women. I know, crazy concept. I'll let you worry about dating calculations and market value.

I like to have fun with women too. Last week I banged a petite and demure 19-year-old brunette with an incredibly tight waist and let me tell you the view from behind with her tiny waist and little butt was just unbelievable. She was 19 years old.

All I’m saying is that $5200 a year is too hard on me personally, but that it’s also relative and there could potentially be an overall outcome that does make it worthwhile.

It’s not totally transactional since I wouldn’t date a girl I didn’t enjoy being around, but I watch my cost-per-notch carefully. For the record, I’ve never had sex with a prostitute, but it’s something I look forward to when I’m older and my looks go.

Good to hear you are enjoying yourself.

Don't forget you're a man. Looks only play a role (I think a minor role) that can be compensated for as you get older. Besides that, your looks won't be going south for a very long time if you keep in shape and dress good.

No need to even think about prostitutes for a long time unless you just want a quick bump without the game. You got guys like Wedo cleaning up in Colombia with 20 year olds. He is a young 50.

[babelfish669]

(06-18-2013 11:22 PM)_DC_ Wrote:  

If you could get rich by greatly sacrificing your 20s, it might be worth it then. I just don't see the point of high stress and no fun just so you can be filthy rich at 50. Just my opinion tho!

No matter which approach you take, you are likely sacrificing your 20s.
a) Career, work 100 hours a week as an investment banker
b) Entrepreneur, work 50 hours a week but think about your business 24/7
c) Saving, make $100k a year as a technician or consultant and live with parents, saving almost everything.

A lot of people like to imagine

d) Slack off at work and suddenly end up with tens of millions of dollars by some chance of fate.

OP referred to extra free time. At some point you can choose to step back, but I don't see it with my successful friends. They have $1m, they want $10m, when they have $10m they want $1b. I've been working non stop for a very long time. Even when I'm taking "a break" I'm talking to employees daily.

JohnGalt has a better paced lifestyle than most of my friends (20s-30s-40s entrepreneurs.) He also lives in Chicago, and with that amount of money you can lean back and be very comfortable here, while still living in a well developed urban environment with a plentiful and diverse stream of women.

Whether you should be a big spender or a thrifty one is your personal choice. The money can be a big cock block once you have a business that demands your time. When your starting out from nothing it is going to suck away that extra time and money you spent on girls (unless your Roosh and your business is banging.) I went from being the happiest of my life to not very happy (but comfortable with my decision) for years. Money & management on your mind continually is a heavy price to pay. Some of us are made for it, and others are not. I don't look down on anyone who is broke. I do look down on people who are living their lives on someone else's terms.

The most important thing for everyone, no matter how much money you have, is do not borrow money to buy a house, car, boat or other non business asset. Imagine it as investing in reverse. And pay your taxes.

[WestCoast]

Atilla's last comment is much more in line with my views.

To get chicks you basically use three things game, money, looks.

When you're young and muscular you just use looks and game.

When you're older you need the cash to establish the "distinguished accomplished" look.

[snoop]

(06-20-2013 12:15 PM)Atilla Wrote:  

I wouldn’t automatically say half that money is being spent on myself. I don’t want to try the latest cappuccino, eat at expensive restaurants, or do anything with a woman really. That amount doesn’t even factor in money for clothes and gas or all the time, effort, and frustration required just to get to the point where a girl will give you permission to spend $2600 to $5200 a year on her.

believe what you like, but I find dating fun, not frustrating, so I'm sure I'm doing it wrong.

[thegmanifesto]

(06-20-2013 05:57 PM)snoop Wrote:  

(06-20-2013 12:15 PM)Atilla Wrote:  

I wouldn’t automatically say half that money is being spent on myself. I don’t want to try the latest cappuccino, eat at expensive restaurants, or do anything with a woman really. That amount doesn’t even factor in money for clothes and gas or all the time, effort, and frustration required just to get to the point where a girl will give you permission to spend $2600 to $5200 a year on her.

believe what you like, but I find dating fun, not frustrating, so I'm sure I'm doing it wrong.

Yeah, me too.

I think this is an Introvert VS Extrovert thing or something.

There is certainly a camp on the forum that seems to hate dating, being social and going out.

And there is certainly a camp on the forum that seems to love the process of swooping girls.

The former I think gravitates toward internet dating and things like that "couchsurfing meets", "twitter game", "instagram game", "anything online related type game to avoid going to a bar and saying hello to a girl type game" etc.

The later likes to do either day Game, Night Game or both.

I think these are just different personality types.

It's all good. Everyone is a little different.

[snoop]

(06-20-2013 06:25 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

Yeah, me too.

I think this is an Introvert VS Extrovert thing or something.

There is certainly a camp on the forum that seems to hate dating, being social and going out.

And there is certainly a camp on the forum that seems to love the process of swooping girls.

The former I think gravitates toward internet dating and things like that "couchsurfing meets", "twitter game", "instagram game", "anything online related type game to avoid going to a bar and saying hello to a girl type game" etc.

The later likes to do either day Game, Night Game or both.

I think these are just different personalities.

IMO dating shouldn't be some accounting ledger full of transactions.

I also think part of the discussion gets muddled b/c people talk in dollar amounts instead of percentages. 3-5k a year doesn't seem like that much to me b/c its a small percent of my income, but to someone making 40k a year that's a huge chunk. But we could probably both agree that spending 1-3% of your yearly income on dating is worthwhile.

[thegmanifesto]

(06-20-2013 06:50 PM)snoop Wrote:  

(06-20-2013 06:25 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

Yeah, me too.

I think this is an Introvert VS Extrovert thing or something.

There is certainly a camp on the forum that seems to hate dating, being social and going out.

And there is certainly a camp on the forum that seems to love the process of swooping girls.

The former I think gravitates toward internet dating and things like that "couchsurfing meets", "twitter game", "instagram game", "anything online related type game to avoid going to a bar and saying hello to a girl type game" etc.

The later likes to do either day Game, Night Game or both.

I think these are just different personalities.

IMO dating shouldn't be some accounting ledger full of transactions.

I also think part of the discussion gets muddled b/c people talk in dollar amounts instead of percentages. 3-5k a year doesn't seem like that much to me b/c its a small percent of my income, but to someone making 40k a year that's a huge chunk. But we could probably both agree that spending 1-3% of your yearly income on dating is worthwhile.

Great points.

Yeah, I just don't think of dating in regards to each and every transaction.

I have a friend that thinks about the price of every little thing he buys.

I am the opposite. I just went to the fish market and food market in a picturesque French seaside town. I just bought everything I wanted without barely thinking of costs. Hell, I have no idea what I spent. I am the same way when going out. If I make the decision to have fun, money is the least of my worries. I don't even think about it. I really don't care about money. A good thing is, girls seem to respond well to this attitude.

The percentage thing as well is a great point. The guy on here was choking on "$100 a week spent on dating". Depending on where you are, that is nothing.

In Miami Beach, that is five cocktails.

If you are dating 3-5 girls a week, it would be pretty damn easy to double or quintuple that (or more).