If you ever think marrying an American woman
Quote: (08-10-2010 09:38 AM)thekiller Wrote:
Constant bombardment of any media message will influence you(even subtly) over time regardless of your critical thinking of it.
Yes and no.
What you said is true for someone who sits in front of TV and watches whatever is on air.
But it is not true for someone who chooses what to watch, and ignores everything else.
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My point was that guys who spend a ton of time with porn would be better served to go see and interact with REAL women at a beach, mall, even a strip club as the women are REAL. Therefor, their chances of having sex with a REAL woman improves.
You assume two things here: a) someone who watches porn just cannot get laid, and b) watching porn and interacting with real women is the same type of activity, so one can choose between them. In my opinion, both those assumptions are false.
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If your watching porn with your girl and it leads to sex I'd say it was well utilized in that case.
I do not watch porn (or any other movie) to get sex with a girl. I don't even see a connection here.
Quote: (08-16-2010 05:56 PM)oldnemesis Wrote:Either your misreading what I'm saying or you just like to argue.
Quote: (08-10-2010 09:38 AM)thekiller Wrote:
Constant bombardment of any media message will influence you(even subtly) over time regardless of your critical thinking of it.
Yes and no.
What you said is true for someone who sits in front of TV and watches whatever is on air.
But it is not true for someone who chooses what to watch, and ignores everything else.
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My point was that guys who spend a ton of time with porn would be better served to go see and interact with REAL women at a beach, mall, even a strip club as the women are REAL. Therefor, their chances of having sex with a REAL woman improves.
You assume two things here: a) someone who watches porn just cannot get laid, and b) watching porn and interacting with real women is the same type of activity, so one can choose between them. In my opinion, both those assumptions are false.
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If your watching porn with your girl and it leads to sex I'd say it was well utilized in that case.
I do not watch porn (or any other movie) to get sex with a girl. I don't even see a connection here.
My whole point has been that guys who spend A LOT of time watching porn would be better served interacting with REAL women.
In my book interactions with REAL women > Porn.
As for your lack of connection to watching porn to get sex with a girl, the few times I've actually watched porn (aside for humour) have been with a GF or female fuck buddy that has resulted in sex during or after said film.
In that case porn has served a REAL purpose.
If you occasionally feel the need to masturbate to images moving at 30-60 fps thats fine, but it consumes too many guys lives and further promotes pussy on a pedestal behavior.
Like so many other things in life, moderation is key.
Quote: (08-17-2010 10:03 AM)thekiller Wrote:
Either your misreading what I'm saying or you just like to argue.
My whole point has been that guys who spend A LOT of time watching porn would be better served interacting with REAL women.
In my book interactions with REAL women > Porn.
My point is that it is meaningless to compare watching porn with interacting with women as those actions serve different purpose. It is the same as comparing reading a book versus going to gym - you cannot compare it as they serve different purpose (quickly get off versus socializing with a possibility to get laid).
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As for your lack of connection to watching porn to get sex with a girl, the few times I've actually watched porn (aside for humour) have been with a GF or female fuck buddy that has resulted in sex during or after said film.
In that case porn has served a REAL purpose.
Happened to me as well when I was young. This is one of purposes, but not the only purpose, and I bet it is not the typical purpose.
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If you occasionally feel the need to masturbate to images moving at 30-60 fps thats fine, but it consumes too many guys lives and further promotes pussy on a pedestal behavior.
Quite the opposite, it actually lowers the value of pussy significantly. Pretty much everyone who tried going out and meet women after jerking off could confirm that. The whole topic I posted confirms it as well - look, those women complain that their husbands prefer watching porn to having sex with them, meaning the pussy is not really valuable to them.
*Rant alert*
Honestly, i hate all this addiction talk. Ive quit smoking 3 times for over a year at a time, and some harder habit forming drugs as well. Alcohol is no problem as well, as are the things i like.
Stop using "addiction" as an excuse and a crutch to deal with the fact that you have no fucking self control. I am so tired of all the crap they say, "its a disease," when they mean "its not my responsibility." Why do we coddle people who want to fuck their lives up. The worst "addiction" one can get can be cured in 21 days, about the time it takes to break a habit.
Lets look at the list:
Cigarettes? Physical withdrawal is about 48 hours and over, the rest is in your head. If you have developed the habit to cope with them, then its your own damned fault. Sure its tough; its tougher when we keep telling people its ok not to quit b/c its so damned hard.
Porn? Slight hormone imbalances for maybe a month tops if you give it up as a chronic viewer. Seriously, if you are such a loser the only thing you do all day is sit at home and whack off to porn, maybe you should get a life, you know, work to improve your luck with women? You are not a fucking "addict," you just have poor impulse control. Why not work on that?
Alcohol? You cant stop drinking? You use alcohol to cope with problems in your life? Boohoo, its your choices that made that happen. You formed the habit, so man up to your own damn responsibility and try controlling your self for once?
Hell, i am so sick and tired of people playing the addict card. Anything that is hard to do, such as quitting smoking, and scientists are throwing out study after study on why it is so hard to quit, so people can feel good that they dont do something. Its just another facet of this generation and the previous that have no sense of personally accountability, and an overinflated self importance to match. I have no sympathy for addicts. All things in moderation, and if you cant control yourself, you prbly shouldnt be doing it.
*end rant*
Sorry, i was reading through that website, and all the porn addiction shit just triggered a rant.
IMO porn encourages most woman i watch it with to be more experimental or at least curious about new things. And if you can choose quality porn, woman will get off just as much as you will, and it takes little work.
About American women; I would never even seriously date one. Ive been spoiled by lovely asian women. I will never go back. I dont know where all this insecurity comes from in American woman, and psychotic-ness. Most of the asian chicks ive dated, they know when they are hot, and i rarely get the "do these pants make my ass look big?" And are aware if they gain weight. And they work at it. There are only a few issues that you dont bump into as much as in the US, such as family pressures for marriage, popping out a kid, etc. But these girls are much more confident, and if they want you, they will go for it, a lot less games get played. Why downgrade?
Honestly, i hate all this addiction talk. Ive quit smoking 3 times for over a year at a time, and some harder habit forming drugs as well. Alcohol is no problem as well, as are the things i like.
Stop using "addiction" as an excuse and a crutch to deal with the fact that you have no fucking self control. I am so tired of all the crap they say, "its a disease," when they mean "its not my responsibility." Why do we coddle people who want to fuck their lives up. The worst "addiction" one can get can be cured in 21 days, about the time it takes to break a habit.
Lets look at the list:
Cigarettes? Physical withdrawal is about 48 hours and over, the rest is in your head. If you have developed the habit to cope with them, then its your own damned fault. Sure its tough; its tougher when we keep telling people its ok not to quit b/c its so damned hard.
Porn? Slight hormone imbalances for maybe a month tops if you give it up as a chronic viewer. Seriously, if you are such a loser the only thing you do all day is sit at home and whack off to porn, maybe you should get a life, you know, work to improve your luck with women? You are not a fucking "addict," you just have poor impulse control. Why not work on that?
Alcohol? You cant stop drinking? You use alcohol to cope with problems in your life? Boohoo, its your choices that made that happen. You formed the habit, so man up to your own damn responsibility and try controlling your self for once?
Hell, i am so sick and tired of people playing the addict card. Anything that is hard to do, such as quitting smoking, and scientists are throwing out study after study on why it is so hard to quit, so people can feel good that they dont do something. Its just another facet of this generation and the previous that have no sense of personally accountability, and an overinflated self importance to match. I have no sympathy for addicts. All things in moderation, and if you cant control yourself, you prbly shouldnt be doing it.
*end rant*
Sorry, i was reading through that website, and all the porn addiction shit just triggered a rant.
IMO porn encourages most woman i watch it with to be more experimental or at least curious about new things. And if you can choose quality porn, woman will get off just as much as you will, and it takes little work.
About American women; I would never even seriously date one. Ive been spoiled by lovely asian women. I will never go back. I dont know where all this insecurity comes from in American woman, and psychotic-ness. Most of the asian chicks ive dated, they know when they are hot, and i rarely get the "do these pants make my ass look big?" And are aware if they gain weight. And they work at it. There are only a few issues that you dont bump into as much as in the US, such as family pressures for marriage, popping out a kid, etc. But these girls are much more confident, and if they want you, they will go for it, a lot less games get played. Why downgrade?
blah blah blah bullshit
to all guys who think porn is not a big deal, not addictive, or you watch it in "moderation" then why do you continue watching it. I never believed in someone using cocaine in moderation. PORN is not reality, addiction to tv, drugs, video games, porn etc are ways of escaping reality. If you need sexual fantasy in order to have a fulfilling sex life (find new ways to bang a girl, turn a girl on, etc) in anyway shape or form I would consider you an addict, One of my life mottos is to DWELL IN REALITY AND MAKE DECISIONS BASED ON REALITY!
I would love for people who use recreational drugs to explain to me that "moderation" is normal behavior (most people use drugs to escape, kill the insecurity they have inside them for a while, etc). I'm an alcoholic;however, I noticed that when I get shit face drunk I tend to get into fights, get DUI's, have cops roll up to my place,lose the people I care about and generally fuck up my life 9 times out of 10 when I drink heavily (and despite all that happening I still like to drink![[Image: smile.gif]](https://rooshvforum.network/images/smilies/smile.gif)
). Hence, I drink moderately with close friends, alone or not in public. Needless to say I am an addict but I accept my addiction and control it the best way I can.
end of story
Ish Gibbor
to all guys who think porn is not a big deal, not addictive, or you watch it in "moderation" then why do you continue watching it. I never believed in someone using cocaine in moderation. PORN is not reality, addiction to tv, drugs, video games, porn etc are ways of escaping reality. If you need sexual fantasy in order to have a fulfilling sex life (find new ways to bang a girl, turn a girl on, etc) in anyway shape or form I would consider you an addict, One of my life mottos is to DWELL IN REALITY AND MAKE DECISIONS BASED ON REALITY!
I would love for people who use recreational drugs to explain to me that "moderation" is normal behavior (most people use drugs to escape, kill the insecurity they have inside them for a while, etc). I'm an alcoholic;however, I noticed that when I get shit face drunk I tend to get into fights, get DUI's, have cops roll up to my place,lose the people I care about and generally fuck up my life 9 times out of 10 when I drink heavily (and despite all that happening I still like to drink
). Hence, I drink moderately with close friends, alone or not in public. Needless to say I am an addict but I accept my addiction and control it the best way I can. end of story
Ish Gibbor
Quote: (08-18-2010 03:06 AM)IshGibbor Wrote:
I would love for people who use recreational drugs to explain to me that "moderation" is normal behavior (most people use drugs to escape, kill the insecurity they have inside them for a while, etc). I'm an alcoholic;however, I noticed that when I get shit face drunk I tend to get into fights, get DUI's, have cops roll up to my place,lose the people I care about and generally fuck up my life 9 times out of 10 when I drink heavily (and despite all that happening I still like to drink
end of story
Ish Gibbor
Without this last line i would have given you some credit. You make the choice to drink at the end of the day. You know that if you get drunk shit will happen. At the end of the day its a choice that you make, You like to drink, no one is funneling beer down your throat. And you can control it enough to "drink moderately" with friends and family. Thus, you are using alcoholism and "addiction" as an excuse to actually avoid owning up to the personal problems that lead the issues you mentioned. You know it happens. I kick this rock, i stub my toe. Cause and effect. You sir, keep kicking, saying its the rock's fault.
Addiction basically breaks down to a person wanting something, and putting effort into something that either harms themselves or others, either the use of or the search for. The, simply put, are selfish, and unable to put things into proper balance. Its a faulty, self serving paradigm, and because one knows that they behavior is unacceptable, finds ways to reason out of it, similar to a chick the morning after. Thus they blame the "addiction" rather then themselves. The quoted post is the perfect example of rationaliztion of addiction.
1) Comes out saying "addict"
2)Admits they enjoy whatever their addiction is
3) Logically understands the link between problems and the sourse of addiction
4) Ignores the consequences and keeps partaking of the problem
5) Blames the "addiction" for bad choices and lack of self control and foresight
This is textbook chicklogic at work. At the end of the day, YOU are the one who makes the final say. You choose at the end of the day. There is nothing in your body that can physically cause you to drink without you wanting it to. Self control is key. That and taking responsibility for one's own actions.
It is far to easy to say, "i have this problem, so its ok if i backslide, because its not my fault." People dont want to hear from themselves what a pathetic weak person they are for not being able to control themselves, and they definitely dont want to think that their own bad choices might have something to do with the problems they have.
Porn is the same way. Sure, its something different, and people can enjoy it. But at the end of the day, if you are the one choosing how much you want. I doubt there are many people who are physically tied down to a chair and forced to watch porn. And it feels good to watch porn. But you need your own self control, and kick the instant gratification mindset of a 5 year old.
Quote: (08-18-2010 03:36 AM)AlphaQup2nite Wrote:
Quote: (08-18-2010 03:06 AM)IshGibbor Wrote:
I would love for people who use recreational drugs to explain to me that "moderation" is normal behavior (most people use drugs to escape, kill the insecurity they have inside them for a while, etc). I'm an alcoholic;however, I noticed that when I get shit face drunk I tend to get into fights, get DUI's, have cops roll up to my place,lose the people I care about and generally fuck up my life 9 times out of 10 when I drink heavily (and despite all that happening I still like to drink
end of story
Ish Gibbor
Without this last line i would have given you some credit. You make the choice to drink at the end of the day. You know that if you get drunk shit will happen. At the end of the day its a choice that you make, You like to drink, no one is funneling beer down your throat. And you can control it enough to "drink moderately" with friends and family. Thus, you are using alcoholism and "addiction" as an excuse to actually avoid owning up to the personal problems that lead the issues you mentioned. You know it happens. I kick this rock, i stub my toe. Cause and effect. You sir, keep kicking, saying its the rock's fault.
Addiction basically breaks down to a person wanting something, and putting effort into something that either harms themselves or others, either the use of or the search for. The, simply put, are selfish, and unable to put things into proper balance. Its a faulty, self serving paradigm, and because one knows that they behavior is unacceptable, finds ways to reason out of it, similar to a chick the morning after. Thus they blame the "addiction" rather then themselves. The quoted post is the perfect example of rationaliztion of addiction.
1) Comes out saying "addict"
2)Admits they enjoy whatever their addiction is
3) Logically understands the link between problems and the sourse of addiction
4) Ignores the consequences and keeps partaking of the problem
5) Blames the "addiction" for bad choices and lack of self control and foresight
This is textbook chicklogic at work. At the end of the day, YOU are the one who makes the final say. You choose at the end of the day. There is nothing in your body that can physically cause you to drink without you wanting it to. Self control is key. That and taking responsibility for one's own actions.
It is far to easy to say, "i have this problem, so its ok if i backslide, because its not my fault." People dont want to hear from themselves what a pathetic weak person they are for not being able to control themselves, and they definitely dont want to think that their own bad choices might have something to do with the problems they have.
Porn is the same way. Sure, its something different, and people can enjoy it. But at the end of the day, if you are the one choosing how much you want. I doubt there are many people who are physically tied down to a chair and forced to watch porn. And it feels good to watch porn. But you need your own self control, and kick the instant gratification mindset of a 5 year old.
Point taken.
Quote: (08-17-2010 06:51 PM)oldnemesis Wrote:Okay, but jerking off and porn aren't the same thing. While it's true that jerking off before a date tends to make one more relaxed, porn has it's own stars and popular culture now. Jenna Jamison was shilling for Reebok, even! People who watch a lot of porn are being programmed to value the pussy. You can masturbate before going out without porn.
Quite the opposite, it actually lowers the value of pussy significantly. Pretty much everyone who tried going out and meet women after jerking off could confirm that. The whole topic I posted confirms it as well - look, those women complain that their husbands prefer watching porn to having sex with them, meaning the pussy is not really valuable to them.
As for married men, thats really a different type than I was talking about. I was talking about the single guys who watch porn all the time and don't go out much, using it as a crutch for why they can't get pussy while programming themselves to value it more.
If those married guys are watching lots of porn, and not having sex with their wives, the women have a right to complain. The guy also shouldn't be surprised when she starts getting it on the side. Of course the married guy watching porn values pussy, otherwise he wouldn't watch so much! He just doesn't value his WIFE'S pussy compared to fantasy pussy.
Quote: (08-18-2010 08:36 PM)thekiller Wrote:
Quote: (08-17-2010 06:51 PM)oldnemesis Wrote:Okay, but jerking off and porn aren't the same thing. While it's true that jerking off before a date tends to make one more relaxed, porn has it's own stars and popular culture now. Jenna Jamison was shilling for Reebok, even! People who watch a lot of porn are being programmed to value the pussy. You can masturbate before going out without porn.
Quite the opposite, it actually lowers the value of pussy significantly. Pretty much everyone who tried going out and meet women after jerking off could confirm that. The whole topic I posted confirms it as well - look, those women complain that their husbands prefer watching porn to having sex with them, meaning the pussy is not really valuable to them.
As for married men, thats really a different type than I was talking about. I was talking about the single guys who watch porn all the time and don't go out much, using it as a crutch for why they can't get pussy while programming themselves to value it more.
If those married guys are watching lots of porn, and not having sex with their wives, the women have a right to complain. The guy also shouldn't be surprised when she starts getting it on the side. Of course the married guy watching porn values pussy, otherwise he wouldn't watch so much! He just doesn't value his WIFE'S pussy compared to fantasy pussy.
Hence I don't even fuck with it anymore. There is only one solution and that is real pussy. There is no such thing as fantasy pussy, it is all in your head. Men who watch porn could be considered possible sex schizophrenics to full blown sex schizophrenia (i e all they do is watch porn and jack off to it or some mental fantasy). Yes I just made a whole new personality disorder to be entered into the DSM. I am that hardcore.
Ish Gibbor
Quote: (08-18-2010 08:36 PM)thekiller Wrote:
Okay, but jerking off and porn aren't the same thing. While it's true that jerking off before a date tends to make one more relaxed, porn has it's own stars and popular culture now.
Being more relaxed is not always a good thing, as you have less incentives to escalate - and therefore the chance your date ends with nothing gets higher. Try to go out just after you jerk off, and compare your efforts you put into approach with your regular evening out.
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Jenna Jamison was shilling for Reebok, even! People who watch a lot of porn are being programmed to value the pussy. You can masturbate before going out without porn.
I had no idea who is Jenna Jamison (Jameson), seems like an American porn star. Now it explains a lot. Most of American-made porn is indeed stupid and boring ("wham, bam, thank you maam" style), with the surprising exception of "Corruption" which made me "wow" when I saw it the first time. Did you try to watch something made in France or Italy, especially in 80s. Check for "Alpha France" movies, those are actually movies you can watch without keeping "fast forward" pressed all the time.
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As for married men, thats really a different type than I was talking about. I was talking about the single guys who watch porn all the time and don't go out much, using it as a crutch for why they can't get pussy while programming themselves to value it more.
I do not know anyone who watches porn all the time, this should be some serious pathology. And I would speculate that vast majority of people do not.
I would also disagree that it programs the person to value pussy more. A lot of researchers claim the opposite - i.e. porn consumption reduces one's desire to take social risks with women, and the major reason they bring in is the lack of sexual desire. Ever heard of "porn devalues women"?
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If those married guys are watching lots of porn, and not having sex with their wives, the women have a right to complain.
Which brings them to nowhere.
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The guy also shouldn't be surprised when she starts getting it on the side. Of course the married guy watching porn values pussy, otherwise he wouldn't watch so much!
What if he watches gay porn? Or hentai?
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