[ThailandRockstar]

Oh I thought you lived here or were around for a long time.

Some of the pros will go on their way without causing drama but they may well have still been expecting to get paid. Personally I can't be bothered with it, I've had my room trashed, threats made, cash demanded and all other sorts so I pretty much have given up with that side of things.

RCA isn't high end at all, it's just regular Thai students and working to middle class girls. You could probably do alright there.

[Belgrano]

(06-02-2013 05:11 AM)Love charm Wrote:  

@ Fisto, Nahh bra, me paying chicks.. ha ha..you have better chances of finding a vegetarian tiger than me paying for girls to be with me. In London, several of my regular girl used to take me out and took me on several holidays.. I also took them out later on as well, in other words it was a 50-50 relationship.. But it never happened when I HAD TO buy or pay something to any one.. That will never happen.. I mean .. Didn't spend 7 years in game to do that sort of beta behaviour. Just pains me to see all these wuss bags buying and showering girls with gifts and money.. To be honest, its good that they do that.. As they say, there are lovers and there are providers, let those morons pay and be the provider, we have no problem fucking those girls and being the lovers that they need.

(06-04-2013 02:51 AM)Love charm Wrote:  

So I asked how much she wanted, she said 1500B.. Frankly speaking, I didn't really liked her that much either, so paying her even 100B is destroying my soul, as I don't sleep with girls for money.
So I told her again, look, you told me you worked in a salon, you didn't bring up anything about money, so why you asking for money now..
She goes, oh in thailand when you take girls back to your hotel you have to pay bla bla..

Seriously this whole thing was really bugging me and I was ready to pay her even 15000 to kick her out of the room and end all this stress and drama.. Then all of a sudden she goes, pay whatever you have and I will go..
Now, I had all 1000B's notes.. but had some 100's and 20's so all together I think it came to about 400B, so I gave her that and got rid off her..

Hilarious. Well, don´t worry, apparently it happens to the best of us.

[ThailandRockstar]

7 years in the game, never pays for sex.

First night in Bangkok, pays for sex.

You can't make it up.

It actually makes me think he's trolling us and doing a great job at it too.

[Belize King]

Naw hes not trolling. Same shit happened to me with a cook at a expat rest/bar. Girls was cool, cute and young. No kids and a half sleeve. I caught her coming off work one day and tild her we should party the next night and bring a friend. We go to the club on Soi 11, New Wave then ended up at Insomnia. I asked her if she wanted to go take her friend home or come with me. She said come with me. I beat it up four times. Sex was okay. Time to go in the morning and she takes long. I figured she thought I was going to throw her something. She finally says she wants money.

Its sad but even the girls that is feelin you and has a great time may ask for money but some are cool with spending time with you. Around 8-10 of my lays in my six weeks in BKK this year were shores. After the incident with that girl I was up front with any female I met. Pro, massuse, server, 7/11 girl it didnt matter. If you tryin to kick it then dont ask me for money. My time with you is payment.

You live and learn. Shit happens. Now you know for you next trip to SEA. I think Fisto had the same problem with one or two girls. Neil has had incidents that lead to him choking a bitch.

The hoes be actin up and dhdes out here lettin them. Thailand RS I know you have heard of crazy stories with pros.

[anamericaninbangkok]

I had a girl stay with me for a couple days. I told her beforehand, I'm not paying you, you understand? "Yes, I know. I don't want your money." Finally, after three days she asks for 10,000 baht. "I need money for Mama." I said no. We're in my apartment,she gets pissed and picks up a bottle. I grabbed her, opened the door, and threw her out. She was pissed, of course, so I called apartment security, they came up and that was the end of her. Later on I saw her and she apologized to me for getting so crazy. Okay, whatever.

A few months later she's screaming at some guy near the Nana Hotel and she cracks him with a Heineken bottle. Splits his head wide open.

You can be nice to them but you can't let them slide with shit. They respect guys who are firm with them and don't let them get away with shit. They walk all over guys who will let them do so.

[ThailandRockstar]

Quote:

Pro, massuse, server, 7/11 girl it didnt matter. If you tryin to kick it then dont ask me for money. My time with you is payment.

The problem is the type of girls you are spending time with. Get away from the main tourist and red light districts and hanging out with up the dregs of society.

I avoid pros, masseuses, bar girls, girls who go to tourist / after hour bars or clubs and any girl who is questionable due to her actions / appearance and it serves me well. No drama, no being hit up for cash, no upset girls, no me being pissed off at having to pay some bitch.

It's all fun and games shoring and getting freebies but more hassle than it's worth in the long run. Fine if you're in BKK for a short period of time but when you live here you grow tired of that shit.

[The Pirate]

First night in Manila, absolutely zero experience with Asia...in the morning she was hesitant to leave and I pushed for her to hit the road. Then the famous words came out of her mouth "but you have to pay" I bargained the fee down from 1500 to 1000 pesos haha. I hadn`t adjusted to new currency and had an idea that 500 pesos was a big chunk of money. Oh well, lessons learned... Now, I am not into p4p at all...but as opposed to the Manila experience I state it clearly over and over again now. I wonder if you actually could make them sign a paper that says "I will not ask for money in the morning after sex" just for the fun of it...

[ThailandRockstar]

There's no need to go around telling every girl you meet you don't pay if you just stay away from the type of girl that might ask for money...i.e. the full blown hookers, bar girls, massage girls and girls who are in dodgy clubs.

A regular Thai girl is never going to ask you for cash in the morning.

[The Pirate]

Unfortunately my experience with thai girls is on very early novice-levels... But I would certainly do it to someone who approached me, and within the first 5 minutes gave me the impression I was the next Brad Pitt. Now if I ask her what she does for a living and the story seems suspicious, I will ask her if this is some "funny business" etc. I have no time to lose, and if she is a prostitute she probably will feel the same since there is no money involved in it from my side.

[WanderingSoul]

(06-04-2013 10:00 PM)ThailandRockstar Wrote:  

There's no need to go around telling every girl you meet you don't pay if you just stay away from the type of girl that might ask for money...i.e. the full blown hookers, bar girls, massage girls and girls who are in dodgy clubs.

A regular Thai girl is never going to ask you for cash in the morning.

Uhh, but aren't all Thai girls hookers? My buddy went to BKK and said they are all pros and are too much drama. He even had to pay one 400 baht, and she was a normal Thai girl. He said said its better to stick to the white chicks.

[Love charm]

Well, quite a lot of statements and comments here, I will reply to them properly when I go to Bangladesh (thats where I will be spending next 1-2 months for work before going back home to London). Mind you, some of you are getting some facts totally wrong about me. I will explain to them in great details as it will take long time to reply every one of your comments.

Any way, in the airport now, my 3 days trip to Bangkok is over. I came here for a business meeting not on holiday. Since I am in Bangkok, so I thought why not go out and meet some girls, enjoy what the city has to offer and get laid at the same time as well. That why I joined the forum and it has some good info here however some people seems to be making lots of error of judgements on various things, I will go in to them later on.

Just to update about last night. Well, got laid. Yes there was LMR, but I had time to break the resistance and breaking LMR mostly falls under how much time you have, sometimes its not possible at all, but some times if you keep making them horny and make them orgasm then they will give in, same thing with her. However, most importantly, I really enjoyed last night, she was a great company, she understood what I said, I understood what she said, we had proper conversations (this part is probably my first priority, I have to have proper conversation with some one and enjoy the company), went to see fast and furious 6 and it was awesome, then had the street food, it was the first time in my life I had street food while sitting about 12 inch away from a running car.

All in all it was great. Oh, her period just finished yesterday, so had to put towels in the bed as she was bleeding so got some bloddy towels in the room, if you know what i mean

She left early in the morning as her school starts around 7 (she is a teacher), she wants to see me again when I am back in BKK next month. So its all good.

Mind you, some of our clients are setting their base in Bangkok, so I will have to come frequently time to time, so we are thinking of getting an office here, so it won't be bad to have 3-4 regular girls who I can go out with like I have in London.

Frankly speaking, that will be pretty easy. If I do online game for 1 week then I could turn majority of them in to solid close and if I can have proper conversation with them (like I can with every one in London) then majority of them will become my regular girls or as they call them MLTR in PU world.

Here's her pic:-

   

   

Now, lets wrap this up and see what lessons I have learned in last 3 days about Bangkok and about travelling. I must also point out that in last 8-9 years I have only went out to 4 countries. Hungary (one of my regular girl took me there as she was from there), Bangladesh (well thats where our head office is, so I go there to work and we don't game there, its another story), Hongkong (well went there with our chairman so didn't go any where other than the office and hotel) and Bangkok (which is now).

1:- Roosh forum is quite good to get lots of travelling and game related advise. So people should check it out.

2:- Now while in the forum there are lots of advise, that doesn't means that is the rule or you guys will have the same experience as the poster, so the best thing will be, take the advice, keep them in mind and go there and check it by yourself. You might like it or hate it, you won't know how cold the water is until you get in it, so get in there and find it out by yourself. It's all part of the experience.

3:- Shoring and dealing with prostitutes is simply NOT FOR ME. This was the first time I have dealt with prostitutes (I know some of you will say what, you been in game and still not met prossies, well I used to go to clubs in London and in 99% of the clubs you don't meet them, there are 1-2 where prossies goes, but we avoid those places, so never dealt with any). Dealt with strippers and picked couple of them up as well, but thats a totally different sort of dynamics, so stripper can't ever turn around after having sex and ask for money.. Well unless you are in BKK. But seriously, this whole having sex and then afterwords money talk is bad, some of you are ok with bargaining and throwing girls out, but I am not, so in future I will try to avoid things like that..

4:- I have to have proper conversation with a girl, if she can't understands me then its really irritating and frustrating and I simply don't enjoy her company and time, so I will screen really hard for girls in BKK to see if they can speak properly or not. If they can't then I would rather spend time with my right hand then with them.

5:- Give myself more time to prepare. In this trip I had to rush, I was told that I will come to BKK literally 48 hours before my flight, so booking flights, connecting flights, hotel, delegating my staffs work, doing online game, reading the forum and learning about the location and girls, all these were just too much for that time frame.. I haven't had proper nights sleep since I have been in BKK, so I am really tired and exhausted. In future I should give myself more time to prepare everything.

So thanks every one for all of your inputs and helpful suggestions, I should mention some names and thank them who's infos I took on board in this trip, they are Fisto, THC, rionomad, thailandrockstar, anamericaninbangkok etc, plus many more, but those name popped up from the top of my head.

And last but not least, massive thanks to Scotian for meeting up and taking me to those places. He is a very cool guy and funny. We had good times on a very quite monday. Keep in touch bro, if ever in London then hit me up, will take you to our regular clubs with tables and free drinks all night on me. So if any one is around BKK then you guys can certainly meet up with Scotian, he is pretty fun guy.

So take care every one. I will post and reply to all of you when Im back in the office.

LC

[Gift]

"to see if they can speak properly or not"

They speak Thai properly, you know... in Thailand.

[WanderingSoul]

If dealing with prostitutes isnt your thing, just like it isnt my thing either, it is extremely easy to avoid them in BKK. Its ridiculously easy in fact. I'm sure I've written about it a hundred times.

[anamericaninbangkok]

(06-05-2013 07:05 AM)Gift Wrote:  

"to see if they can speak properly or not"

They speak Thai properly, you know... in Thailand.

Actually many Thais do not speak "proper Thai," instead they speak a bastardized form of it. When you watch the morning shows in Thailand most of the presenters speak very clearly, precisely and as Thai is spoken by the educated. Bar girls speak shit Thai just like they speak shit English. That's why you don't learn Thai from sluts. Once you hear some farang saying same-same or some other idiotic phrase, you know where he's been hanging out.

As far as avoiding hos, very easy to do. That's why I don't live anywhere near Nana or the other entertainment zones.

[ThailandRockstar]

(06-04-2013 10:22 PM)The Pirate Wrote:  

Unfortunately my experience with thai girls is on very early novice-levels... But I would certainly do it to someone who approached me, and within the first 5 minutes gave me the impression I was the next Brad Pitt. Now if I ask her what she does for a living and the story seems suspicious, I will ask her if this is some "funny business" etc. I have no time to lose, and if she is a prostitute she probably will feel the same since there is no money involved in it from my side.

It's rare for Thai girls (or Thai people in general who are not trying to extort money from you) to approach foreigners or anyone else so if you're being approached by a Thai girl you may as well just assume she is a hooker or has an agenda other than chatting you up.

It's really not complicated. If you are in a club full of tourists and hookers that girl you are talking to who seems overly keen might just be a hooker...who would have known?

(06-05-2013 07:05 AM)Gift Wrote:  

"to see if they can speak properly or not"

They speak Thai properly, you know... in Thailand.

Yes don't go to a foreign country then complain because they don't speak English. Learn the language or STFU.

(06-05-2013 09:02 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  

If dealing with prostitutes isnt your thing, just like it isnt my thing either, it is extremely easy to avoid them in BKK. Its ridiculously easy in fact. I'm sure I've written about it a hundred times.

I like this comment a lot.

People make out that you can't avoid hookers in BKK or that they are everywhere you go when the reality is they just never leave the red light district area yet still somehow expect to meet regular girls and get upset when they get asked for money.

If you spent all your time in the red light district of Amsterdam would you be surprised if all the girls you met were hookers? No...so why are you surprised it's the same in BKK?

[Love charm]

As promised, reply time to every one.

First, fisto's reply:-

(06-04-2013 03:56 AM)Fisto Wrote:  

Boot camp? A well known company? Holy shit they didn't cover "banging in Bangkok 101"???

They taught us how to meet normal women, not prossies. I ended up dealing with a prossies (the 2nd one) and that was the only thing that has upset me, the other 2 girls were normal girls and 1 of them was a lay and another one was almost a lay.

To be honest with you, I think I took that whole incident a bit more personally on that day and hence over reacted a bit.

As I said before, its all a learning process, so I shouldn't have taken it personally.. You live and learn.

If I look back at those 3 days, then I think it was a good trip. It was actually my first ever foreign trip on my own and I had girls back in my place all those 3 days (well the hooker doesn't counts I guess as I ended up paying her), so nothing to complain there is it.

(06-04-2013 03:56 AM)Fisto Wrote:  

Honestly it sounds to me like you are making excuses. Part of game is overcoming obstacles and getting the pussy.

They don't speak English, you use frame and body language and jealousy ploys. You've been there one day and had two dates and you can't take it anymore?

You see, as I mentioned in my earlier post, getting pussy is not exactly in my first priority any more.. It used to be 3-4 years ago, but in last 3-4 years my priority has changed. I want a good company, doing activities together, having fun conversation, getting laid, having some sort of connections atleast etc. I know it sounds like a girl friend, but its not, I have that sort of things with my regular girls in London and we are all cool with it and enjoying it.

As for me not taking it any more, as I mentioned, I took that incident too personally and over reacted too much.

(06-04-2013 03:56 AM)Fisto Wrote:  

Thai girls don't look good to you?

You must not like feminine women with perfect little bodies and faces.

I didn't say thai girls don't look for me, I said I am not usually attracted to thai or any oriental girls. Now as you know, looks is just one factor in an attraction process, there are various things that can attract a person, their personality, their manners, they attitude, their looks, their lifestyle, their views of the world, their career, their figure etc plus many more.

The girls that I usually go for are white or tanned (like latin), tall (5 feet 4 minimum, I have dated a girl who was abour 6 ft 4, I am around 6ft 3.), can speak fluent english, knows the UK culture, goes to gym, went to Universities at least (so have a minimum degree in the education), has a decent enough job, blondes, funny, can challenge me mentally (not just a lay over, where she has no back bones), adventurous, wants to try new things in bed etc plus many more.

Now, does that means all the girls that I have been with over the years had all of these qualities? No, but they had quite a lot of those qualities. Amongst those list, there are some that are in the top priorities, in other words, a girl has to have those qualities at least, eg speaking fluent english, being funny and not boring, some one with whom I can enjoy her company etc.

Mind you, I have had oriental girls before, but they were about 1% from my total lays, 80% of the girls that I have been with are white (either european or american) and 19% were south american (but none of them were black as I am not in to black girls and never been with any).

So the bottom line is, the submissive, little figure and feminine type of girls (which majority of the oriental girls are) doesn't attracts me. So if we go to a bar in bangkok and there are 20 white girls and 30 thai girls, then I would probably go and talk to those 20 white girls and simply ignore the thai girls.

As they say, different stroke for different folks, its just personal preference thats all.

(06-04-2013 03:56 AM)Fisto Wrote:  

Consider this tough love man. You are STILL letting her control the frame by being traumatized.

You're game needs work if you can't lay some non working Thai girls.

I didn't see it as frame control, I saw it pretty much like this, I hop in to taxi, go to my desired destination and then refuse to pay after I reach my destination.

As I said the culture and the environment I grew up in, we DO NOT fuck around with money, we have to have a straight cut deal with money.

Some of you are cool with throwing the girl out of the room or choking the girl etc.. But I am not cool with it and will never do that. Its nothing to do with game, frame control or being alpha. I mean I am big, about 220lb and around 6ft 3 inch, been doing Krav maga for last 3 years, so I can certainly forceful, however there are certain things that we do not do, for me one of them is being forceful with girls.

As Texasmade mentioned, it was a shock for him as well when the girl asked for money in the morning. Same thing happened to me, it was a just an unexpected shock and took me off guard big time.

Now, Thailandrockstar, before I reply to you, can I just ask a friendly question? I mean, have I offended you some way or some how in any of my post? Because you seems to have a real animosity and aggressive tone towards me, no idea why that is. Everything I do and say, you seems to be taking it in the wrong way round. There is no need for that is there? I thought this forum is about helping each others not bashing people left and right.

Any way, here's your reply:-

(06-04-2013 08:42 AM)ThailandRockstar Wrote:  

There's always a chance him and his buddies will be waiting for you outside your hotel one night ready to give you a beating (or worse)....it happens. Many of these bar girls have thai boyfriends who they support financially.

When she was ringing and calling from her mobile, the only thing that was going through my mind is who is she calling and will there be any one outside my hotel waiting for me? It was really nerve recking moment.. Often prossies have connections with mafia world and you do not want to fuck with them..

(06-04-2013 08:42 AM)ThailandRockstar Wrote:  

You should have paid that girl because YOU didn't make it clear the night before that you don't pay. You were warned that Insanity is all pro's so you should assume every girl in there is a hooker just like she assumes every guy in there is a sex tourist and plans to pay her. Guys who don't pay tend not to go to after hour whore clubs where all the girls are hookers. Plus tramp stamps, pink hot pants and piercings....does that not scream hooker to you? Regular Thai girls don't have that shit.

As for I should have paid her because I should have made it clear the night before that I am not paying.. Yeah, I guess when in thailand, you have to do that.. I guess thats a new things I have learned, but usually I have never ever had to make that thing clear with any one. So I guess I learned my lessons.

Texasmade and Scotian both pointed out and lots of others mentioned in other threads as well, if the girl doesn't brings up the money then you shouldn't bring it up either. Like, on that night Scotian pulled a girl and neither of them talked about money in the night before as well, in the end it all turned out ok as she didn't ask for the money in the morning, however she could have easily asked for it just like mine did.

Well, I have definitely missed all those signs, frankly speaking, in that club i have had couple of interaction with girls and they brought up the money talk, however this girl didn't and she seemed quite in to me (more than the others), so I thought may be she likes me.

You see that was my first time ever in a club full of pro's so I guess I ended up making some error of judgements.

In future, I would certainly avoid those clubs in the first place, however when I am with any girl (whether she is a nun or minister), I will indirectly point out that I don't pay for sex.

(06-04-2013 08:42 AM)ThailandRockstar Wrote:  

By paying 400B you paid anyway so you may as well just given her the going rate...you think because she wasn't good looking enough you can just get away with giving 400B? If she wasn't good looking enough for you then don't fuck her in the first place.

I didn't think of anything as I was not expecting to pay her anything. I was going to pay her the 1500B that she asked for, but as I was opening the safe she told me, just pay whatever you have and I will go, so I grabbed the changes and gave her, then she didn't say anything and left.

She wasn't good looking enough for me, as she was below my average.. however she could speak much better english than all the girls that I met in the club, plus she was really in to me (more than the other hookers), so I thought an easy lay here to give me some momentum and ego boost in my first ever holiday will be quite nice..

If I was in London and I met her and she was all over me, then still I wouldn't have slept with her..

However, when you are in a new place, new environment and have no momentum with you then sometimes you lower your standard to get the momentum.

Think of it like going to a new school, when you are new then you will talk to every one and try to be friends every one as you know no one. Once you become familiar then you start to choose.

My situation was the same..

(06-04-2013 08:42 AM)ThailandRockstar Wrote:  

If you aren't happy they don't speak fluent English then learn Thai FFS! You are in Thailand remember.

Yes stick with the expats...come all the way to BKK to bang girls from back home.

Thai girls are not too much drama and too much work....the drama comes from trying to bang hookers and get away without paying them.

Most regular Thai girls are absolutely fine and no drama at all but you won't find those girls in Insanity or any other whore infested after hour club.

Pretend you're not attracted to slim, feminine, pretty, natural looking girls with dark eyes, long black hair and dainty features all you want but you're just pissed off because you made a stupid mistake and are angry at yourself for being so dumb.

Look, you seems to be taking an extra offense to my language preference here, theres no need for that.

I don't have the time or patience to learn a new language so that I can have conversation with girl. However, I am NOT DEMANDING that all thai girls or any other nationalities girls should know english to talk to me either.

All I am saying is, since conversation is important for me, hence I will need to find girls who speaks english. In London I have let go lots of girls because they couldn't speak english fluently.

Its a bit like saying, you want to eat pizza in Bangkok, so you look for places where they sell pizza and you go there to eat it. It's not like, oh in Bangkok they sell pad thai more than pizza, so eat the pad thai and stop moaning about pizza.

So to Gift and Thailandrockstar, the bottom line is, I am not moaning or complaining or demanding anything. I have my preferences and if she doesn't meet that criteria then I will move on to the next one. I am pretty sure the girls that dates me does that because I meet her certain criteria, if I didn't meet her criteria then she wouldn't have dated me. So its the same here.

As for sticking with expats, I didn't come to BKK to bang girl, I came here for business trip, if I can have proper conversation with expat girls then I would probably bang them instead of the thai's.

As for me not willing to pay.. Well, let me give you some fact's, as I have studied law in the uni, if we were to go to court then she would have no legs to stand on in any court because in the consumer law its clearly mentioned, its the sellers duty to inform the customers about the prices, not the customers duty to find out the price. In a transaction the seller MUST inform the client about the cost and there should be no hidden charges.

The bottom line is what she did was wrong by asking me money after sex. I am not the one to blame here, she is.

As for me pretending that I don't like oriental girls, well if I really did like them then why did I never pick them up in London? There are thousands and thousands of them in London..

As for me being dumb, bro you seems to be forgetting something here, this is the first time for me in Bangkok and first time ever in my life I have left my home, comfort zone, friends and social circle (london), so it wasn't that easy for me..

(06-04-2013 05:03 PM)Celtic_Austrian Wrote:  

Hilarious. Well, don´t worry, apparently it happens to the best of us.

(06-04-2013 06:38 PM)ThailandRockstar Wrote:  

7 years in the game, never pays for sex.

First night in Bangkok, pays for sex.

You can't make it up.

It actually makes me think he's trolling us and doing a great job at it too.

Can I just politely point out to both of you that, I paid for sex because I WAS FORCED TO PAY FOR IT. I didn't do it willingly and nor I knew before hand that I would have to pay, if I knew then I would have said no to her just like I did to several girls in that club.

Yes I could have just forced her out but that could have brought more trouble and I didn't wanted any trouble.

In other words, I was BEING SCAMMED. Still I paid up because I didn't want things to escalate, as I said, this is the first time I have left my home, so I am a bit extra conscious about everything and certainly didn't want trouble for very little money.

While it might be funny for some of you, but trust me as texasmade has pointed it, it was not funny for us when that happened.

(06-04-2013 08:42 AM)ThailandRockstar Wrote:  

Agreed. It's one of the easiest places in the world to get with regular, good looking, Thai girls. But going to bars and clubs to find them isn't the answer hitting the pavement during the day or using the dating sites is a much better option.

Yup, 2 out of the 3 girls were from Online. And on the last day I was sitting in front of Nana station and there were plenty of girls, lots of IOI's and girls smiling at me, so day game can be good.

(06-04-2013 08:42 AM)ThailandRockstar Wrote:  

Looking forward to you complaining tomorrow about how the date never ended in sex because you went on a cinema date....you were warned. Cinema dates suck anywhere in the world but especially in Thailand.

Btw unless you have lied about how long you plan to be in BKK any girl who meets you from the dating sites is likely to be a bar girl or a farang slut constantly on the cock carousel because most regular girls on there aren't interested in meeting some guy who's in and out in a few days or even a few weeks.

Sorry to disappoint, but it did end up with sex. Cinema date might suck, but I like films and watched fast and furious 6, it was awesome. Had brilliant time.. When I am having good time, then in majority of the case it turns out to be sex.

They all knew when I am leaving and when I am coming back again next, so being up front about it.

Any way, it was a good trip overall, learned various things so I will know what to do and how to play in future.

Frankly speaking when I am back in BKK in july I don't think I will need to go to clubs or do day game.. If I can set up 2 dates in under 48 hours then in 1 month I can do plenty..

One final question, since I am coming back in July, this time where would you suggest me to stay, as I don't like prossies and would ideally want to go to bars or clubs where they have non pro's and expats. Don't think I will need to go out to clubs, but still it wouldn't hurt to keep an option.

Thanks every one for reading, its a big post.

[WanderingSoul]

(06-06-2013 07:31 AM)Love charm Wrote:  

As for I should have paid her because I should have made it clear the night before that I am not paying.. Yeah, I guess when in thailand, you have to do that.. I guess thats a new things I have learned, but usually I have never ever had to make that thing clear with any one. So I guess I learned my lessons.

No, you don't. When in whore houses you have to do that.

Comments like this is why you are getting hate on here. You blatantly ignored all of the solid BKK info on this forum. You go to a notorious hooker club, and then proclaim that all Thai girls are hookers. Then you go on about how you are not attracted to Thai girls, how they are too much drama, etc. It's obvious that you are trying to make yourself feel better and believe that Thailand is the problem, but the reality is that you are the problem. You came to a place notoriously easy to hook up, and banged a hooker and an ugly chick. Own it.

(06-06-2013 07:31 AM)Love charm Wrote:  

Texasmade and Scotian both pointed out and lots of others mentioned in other threads as well, if the girl doesn't brings up the money then you shouldn't bring it up either.

You should definitely bring it up if you are in a club filled with prostitutes. Otherwise you set yourself up for these problems. You can avoid it all together by spending most of your time in places where prostitutes do not go.

(06-06-2013 07:31 AM)Love charm Wrote:  

As for me not willing to pay.. Well, let me give you some fact's, as I have studied law in the uni, if we were to go to court then she would have no legs to stand on in any court because in the consumer law its clearly mentioned, its the sellers duty to inform the customers about the prices, not the customers duty to find out the price. In a transaction the seller MUST inform the client about the cost and there should be no hidden charges.

The bottom line is what she did was wrong by asking me money after sex. I am not the one to blame here, she is.

You are 100% to blame because you set yourself up for it. This isn't London. You are not in University. You have to use some street smarts when you travel. I could imagine if you tried to pull this in somewhere like Colombia or Brazil things might not have worked out so easily for you.

(06-06-2013 07:31 AM)Love charm Wrote:  

Yup, 2 out of the 3 girls were from Online. And on the last day I was sitting in front of Nana station and there were plenty of girls, lots of IOI's and girls smiling at me, so day game can be good.

You trollin us bro? Gettin IOI's in Nana? You don't say?

(06-06-2013 07:31 AM)Love charm Wrote:  

One final question, since I am coming back in July, this time where would you suggest me to stay, as I don't like prossies and would ideally want to go to bars or clubs where they have non pro's and expats. Don't think I will need to go out to clubs, but still it wouldn't hurt to keep an option.

Check out Climax on Soi 11. Soi 11 is super high end. Lots of expats and no prossies.

[anamericaninbangkok]

When in Thailand, tap Thai ass. Simple as that. All this, "I need this quality or that quality" is bullshit my friend. When you get some spinner (little brown fucking machine) literally vibrating on your cock the last thing you need to think about is does she go to the gym or what is she studying at university. If you were only here for three days, did you really expect to find a woman of substance to fuck? To me, that's a bit much and I don't bang slutty broads. Even the sluts I bang have class

As far as the money you paid to the ho...I know you popped your travel cherry, you don't speak the language, and you're in a foreign country. Situations like yours can be a bit daunting. The last thing you want is problems. But...remember this...you're in Asia, you are the man...do NOT let these girls get away with shit because the second you do they'll stomp on you and get whatever they can from you. Walk over to the door, open it, and tell her to get the fuck out. If she doesn't you can either throw her ass out yourself or you can call security. End of story. Who do you think they're going to believe? A slut or a wealthy foreigner? In this sort of case, they'll believe you.

BTW - this is real world shit and many of these chicks, prostitutes or not, don't give a fuck about you. They don't want to be your buddy or be nice to you. They want your fucking money, that's it. Don't fucking trust a female soul here and whatever you do, be polite but do NOT be too nice! I see guys bending over backwards for these twats, kissing their ass and putting them on pedestals. Fuck that. This is Asia, not the UK or US or AUS. YOU ARE A MAN - act like it.

[ThailandRockstar]

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The girls that I usually go for are white or tanned (like latin), tall (5 feet 4 minimum, I have dated a girl who was abour 6 ft 4, I am around 6ft 3.), can speak fluent english, knows the UK culture, goes to gym, went to Universities at least (so have a minimum degree in the education), has a decent enough job, blondes, funny, can challenge me mentally (not just a lay over, where she has no back bones), adventurous, wants to try new things in bed etc plus many more.

Now, does that means all the girls that I have been with over the years had all of these qualities? No, but they had quite a lot of those qualities. Amongst those list, there are some that are in the top priorities, in other words, a girl has to have those qualities at least, eg speaking fluent english, being funny and not boring, some one with whom I can enjoy her company etc

You don't ask for much do you?

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As Texasmade mentioned, it was a shock for him as well when the girl asked for money in the morning. Same thing happened to me, it was a just an unexpected shock and took me off guard big time.

Why would you be shocked that a girl you picked up from an infamous hooker club turned out to be a hooker? Do normal girls usually party in the same clubs as hookers and sex tourists?

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As for I should have paid her because I should have made it clear the night before that I am not paying.. Yeah, I guess when in thailand, you have to do that.. I guess thats a new things I have learned, but usually I have never ever had to make that thing clear with any one. So I guess I learned my lessons

In general in Thailand you do NOT have to tell every girl you meet that you don't pay as 99% of girls in Thailand are NOT hookers. You only have to do this when you're dealing with pros.

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In future, I would certainly avoid those clubs in the first place, however when I am with any girl (whether she is a nun or minister), I will indirectly point out that I don't pay for sex.

Really there's not any need like I said.

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as I have studied law in the uni, if we were to go to court then she would have no legs to stand on in any court because in the consumer law its clearly mentioned, its the sellers duty to inform the customers about the prices, not the customers duty to find out the price. In a transaction the seller MUST inform the client about the cost and there should be no hidden charges.

Well if you studied it in uni that is that then. I guess that Thai hooker should have not asked you for money because it's not legal for her to ask you for money afterwards without telling you the price first.

Are you for real?

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The bottom line is what she did was wrong by asking me money after sex. I am not the one to blame here, she is.

No. You picked up a girl from a famous hooker club, she provided a service, she asked for payment as expected. She did nothing wrong.

Your ego was just dented because you believe yourself to be a good looking guy who's successful with women and you assumed she really liked you and was willing to sleep with you for free.

I think you knew she was a hooker.

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n other words, I was BEING SCAMMED

There was no scam. It was a standard transaction that goes on every night in Thailand between sex tourists and prostitutes.

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And on the last day I was sitting in front of Nana station and there were plenty of girls, lots of IOI's and girls smiling at me, so day game can be good.

The girls hanging around outside Nana station are freelancers. Don't do day game at Nana.

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this time where would you suggest me to stay, as I don't like prossies and would ideally want to go to bars or clubs where they have non pro's and expats. Don't think I will need to go out to clubs, but still it wouldn't hurt to keep an option.

Thong Lor & Ekkamai would suit you for living and partying. Middle class clubs, no pro's, some expats there too. It's a bit higher class than anything going on in Lower Sukhumvit.

[Love charm]

Any way...

This will be my last post in this thread for this months. After today next time I might post here will probably be around first week of july as thats when I will be booking the hotel..

I could reply to both rio and therocksinger, but don't have time to sit on the forum and argue, so I will pass. You guys can keep flaming around.

So thong lor & Ekkamai, ok cool, I will look for hotels near there and will see what bars and clubs are there.

Any way, signing off now, so peace.

PS AnamericaninBangkok, you seems to be getting what I am trying to saying, so I will PM you and discuss couple of things.

[Menace]

(06-06-2013 07:31 AM)Love charm Wrote:  

The girls that I usually go for are white or tanned (like latin), tall (5 feet 4 minimum, I have dated a girl who was abour 6 ft 4, I am around 6ft 3.), can speak fluent english, knows the UK culture, goes to gym, went to Universities at least (so have a minimum degree in the education), has a decent enough job, blondes, funny, can challenge me mentally (not just a lay over, where she has no back bones), adventurous, wants to try new things in bed etc plus many more.

The girls in Thailand typically (unless hiso):

are 5'4" or shorter
do not speak fluent english
do not know UK culture
do not go to the gym
did not go to university as you imagine it
do not have decent jobs
are not funny
will not challenge you mentally.

Why go to Thailand? It sounds like an uphill struggle. Maybe Russia is more for you, or hell just stay in the UK.

Also, you're talking about implied contract terms in consumer law when dealing with a hooker in Thailand based on what you learned in a UK LAW SCHOOL? Does UK law apply in Thailand? Are you familiar with Thai consumer law?

No offense, but if forum members hadn't met you, I would think you are some kind of troll.

[Beyond Borders]

(06-06-2013 07:31 AM)Love charm Wrote:  

The girls that I usually go for are white or tanned (like latin), tall (5 feet 4 minimum, I have dated a girl who was abour 6 ft 4, I am around 6ft 3.), can speak fluent english, knows the UK culture, goes to gym, went to Universities at least (so have a minimum degree in the education), has a decent enough job, blondes, funny, can challenge me mentally (not just a lay over, where she has no back bones), adventurous, wants to try new things in bed etc plus many more.

[The Patriarch]

(06-06-2013 09:03 AM)Menace Wrote:  

Why go to Thailand? It sounds like an uphill struggle. Maybe Russia is more for you, or hell just stay in the UK.

Let's not go overboard here. Dude wasn't chasing pussy, he came to Thailand unexpectedly, strictly on business, and for three days only. While there he wanted to sample the goods, and probably figured out that he has no time to search for non-pros. So he went to the red lights club feigning ignorance. He slept jiggy thinking he scored on his good looks alone, and didn't liked it when the girl blindsided him a.m. He didn't like the experience. Now he knows what he wants. End of the story. Next.

[Fortitudinal]

(06-06-2013 07:31 AM)Love charm Wrote:  

The girls that I usually go for are white or tanned (like latin), tall (5 feet 4 minimum, I have dated a girl who was abour 6 ft 4, I am around 6ft 3.), can speak fluent english, knows the UK culture, goes to gym, went to Universities at least (so have a minimum degree in the education), has a decent enough job, blondes, funny, can challenge me mentally (not just a lay over, where she has no back bones), adventurous, wants to try new things in bed etc plus many more.

its you and 2 billion other men on earth dude.

[Love charm]

Alright, so time for update.

I am flying to BKK around 24th of november for meetings, will stay there for 3-4 days, starting to look for hotel and flights. As usual, I am going to BKK for business meetings, not for holiday or anything.

Since I am in BKK why not taste the local talents ;-), I am starting to pipe line some girls. Something that I couldn't do properly last time as I knew about my BKK trip 48 hours before the flight.

So will keep you up dated about how the online pipe line is coming along.