[PoosyWrecker]

(05-27-2013 10:16 AM)Jaydublin Wrote:  

Lets all be fair though. Guys would and do do the same shit when they have the opportunity. Let every deployed soldier head to thailand for RR and see how many are faithful.

The difference is that guy goes on a few days R&R in Pattaya and what happens stays there. The wife fucks around with Jody, initiates divorce while he is in the middle of a mission, take the kids away, empty their bank accounts, pawn his personal belongings, lets Jody drive his car and takes him to court to force him to pay alimony and child support. Hell I'm sure most of these bitches have their fingers crossed that the man will off himself before changing his SGLI (400k life insurance policy to the wife and kids). Don't forget that if he hadn't already signed away his GI BIll education benefits to his wife, he's going to want to give them to his kids. So no college for him. Last, the ex-wife still gets part of his retirement if he does 20 years... which GI Joe will have to since how else can an ex-Infantryman meet the monthly payments?

Isn't feminism great? Happy Memorial Day.

[ElJefe]

Wow... I had no idea it was that bad. Although they must've gotten the numbers wrong, 18 suicides a day is +6,500 deaths a year. They're saying that 950 veterans receiving help from VA make the attempt every month, 7% succeed, and that about 30% of suicides are committed by those receiving VA help, indicating 220 deaths a month, or about 7 suicides a day. Nonetheless... even 2,500 deaths a year is mind-boggling. That's vastly more than Iraq+Afghanistan combined.

Saw this comment:

"The hotline is a joke- it is nothing more than a referral service to send the veteran to the VA, where they are allowed to meet with a shrink once a month for only 30-45 minutes, that's it. Why do veterans, a small portion of the population, kill themselves more than any other group in the US? A culture of ignorance not only by the people who treat them, but also sometimes by their family. Veterans are sometimes isolated and alienated by their families."

[cardguy]

I always felt that Vietnam meant more to the average American than WWII.

In the same way the war with Japan means more to the average Chinese person than Hitler and the holocaust.

I mention this because people in Europe underestimate the psychological trauma of Vietnam. Whilst overestimating the psychological importance of WWII. I think the average American (whilst not being happy about it) could have lived with countries like France or Britain being taken over by Russia or Germany. With that said - it is important to remember that most historians reject the idea that Hitler was hell-bent on invading Britain. Since Hitler believed Britain could be a useful partner in any future German empire with similar aims and goals.

The second world war is a weird one. I haven't started my study of it yet (ie put together a reading list and work my way through it). Since Peter Hitchens (my favourite writer) is currently writing a book on it - and I want to start with his book.

But - from what I have learned in the past - it seems that WWII was essentially a war between Germany and Russia which British diplomatic incompetence caused to be expanded out into a war across the whole of Europe.

Below is an article by Peter Hitchens challenging some of the myths surrounding WWII.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...chens.html

[Cobra]

I got out of the Navy TO get married. My wife told me she wouldn't marry me if I was in and I fell for it.

Country is worth fighting for; its the reasons that are not worth fighting for. This being said, I would fight for any one of the people I was deployed with from my first command till my last day.

[A War You Cannot Win]

Nothing would make me happier than fighting and dying alongside my brothers. But without them? For a country that seeks to drain me of any profit I could produce for them before discarding the empty husk? For the average SWPL dipshit on the street? For politics that aren't my own? For companies that supply the military with sub par gear due to myriads of convoluted business deals with the government?

To the abyss with them all.

[calidude]

The dude got fucked over in real life, poor dude. Gone are the days when serving in the military was noble and heroic and something that the upper-class and leaders of empires actively participated in.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AaP_7TVdATU (not sure how to embed)

[InternationPlayboy]

While our politicians are shit and the country is going downhill, and as much as I can be critical of it, I still love the place. If I was to go to war, it wouldn't be for the government, it would be for our people. That being said, I would never participate in any of the wars that have gone on since World War II as I don't feel like they were justified. Our country was never in danger of any of the countries we've been into since WWII. I would only go to war if I thought there was a just reason to fight.

[Jaylow]

(06-03-2013 12:24 AM)InternationPlayboy Wrote:  

While our politicians are shit and the country is going downhill, and as much as I can be critical of it, I still love the place. If I was to go to war, it wouldn't be for the government, it would be for our people. That being said, I would never participate in any of the wars that have gone on since World War II as I don't feel like they were justified. Our country was never in danger of any of the countries we've been into since WWII. I would only go to war if I thought there was a just reason to fight.

Its well beyond the point of blaming your politicians. They are a representative of you. You elect them, you support what they do.

We got a million Turks rioting because of a fucking city park and on the other hand we got Americans who are too big of cowards to stand up for anything anymore.

[InternationPlayboy]

(06-03-2013 12:33 AM)Jaylow Wrote:  

(06-03-2013 12:24 AM)InternationPlayboy Wrote:  

While our politicians are shit and the country is going downhill, and as much as I can be critical of it, I still love the place. If I was to go to war, it wouldn't be for the government, it would be for our people. That being said, I would never participate in any of the wars that have gone on since World War II as I don't feel like they were justified. Our country was never in danger of any of the countries we've been into since WWII. I would only go to war if I thought there was a just reason to fight.

Its well beyond the point of blaming your politicians. They are a representative of you. You elect them, you support what they do.

We got a million Turks rioting because of a fucking city park and on the other hand we got Americans who are too big of cowards to stand up for anything anymore.

Yeah, you're right. I guess the average American is an idiot. I mean we DID elect George Bush for two terms didn't we? But regardless of that, there are so many great people in the US, I'd still fight for my country had I thought we were in true danger. American men are just easier to become friends with than most foreigner. I have more in common with them than others. It's strange that I prefer foreign women but prefer to be friends with American men I suppose. I'm not saying though that I'm not friends with foreign men, it's just my closest friends are all American.

[InternationPlayboy]

Damn, that's intense. I just read the part about 90% of them being divorced within 5 years of returning. Those are staggering numbers!

[Jaylow]

Foreign interests control 95% of your congress and have been for many years now. Your nuclear secrets were stolen and given to your enemies years ago. America isn't in danger?

You guys will never be as powerful as you once were and will continue to decline as the years go on.

[InternationPlayboy]

(06-03-2013 01:18 AM)Jaylow Wrote:  

Foreign interests control 95% of your congress and have been for many years now. Your nuclear secrets were stolen and given to your enemies years ago. America isn't in danger?

You guys will never be as powerful as you once were and will continue to decline as the years go on.

Not in danger from Iraq or Afghanistan where we have our soldiers. Who is there to fight? What reason? Though America is declining a little, I truly believe that despite the women, America is the best place on earth. Western Euope seems to be a bit boring. China, most have a shitty quality of life. Australia would probably be cool, but not America cool. I just love where I'm from and the people I meet here. There's really nothing you can say to convince me that America isn't a great place to live. I don't really care if our nuclear secrets were stolen or if foreign interests control 95% of our congress (Which I think is b/s by the way.) I would for sure live other places, but at the end of the day I'd always come back to the states. Once I get rich and have location and time independence, I can see myself living out of the country for 6 months and back in the states for 6 months.

[iknowexactly]

I used to make excuses for shithole countries with a lot of corruption and poverty.

Now I understand wealthy countries are wealthy because the people do what they're supposed to do.
Poor countries are poor sometimes because they are victims, but more because everyone's always fucking off or trying to get something for nothing. Otherwise, how the hell is Japan so advanced? They have no oil, no iron ore, they haven't got shit but they bust ass.

Now I admire my own USA much more than I used to. You can drink the water, incredible natural beauty, lots of money if you bust ass in a consistent and organized fashion and are halfway smart.

Half the systems the world runs on were invented here. The light bulb, the internet ( yes I know the Web was Berners-Lee, the internet protocol was all USA) , UNIX, mass production of cars, probably most plastic science, much pharmaceuticals, vaccines which have totally changed the face of life for all humanity:

http://www.american-inventor.com/dr-jonas-salk.aspx

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maurice_Hilleman

That's right, Americans eradicated Polio, measles, Mumps, German Measles, invented the internet, the light bulb. We launched the satellites and broadcast GPS signal for free around the world, even to our enemies. You're welcome.

Shit like Feminism is annoying, but people had real problems like dragging a crippled body around for life from Polio. There is no comparison between the classes of these problems.

Alarmists can scream, it's easy to doomsay. Let's see you get a country running at all like our genius founders did. Their insight got us a society with basically no religious conflicts, which dogged the world for thousands of years and still have morons blowing each other up. The separation of church and state was a massive invention of genius. Fuckwits blew up the WTC, bombed Boston, and mosques still sit undisturbed everywhere. Because we aren't reactionary morons. They are.

I'd argue that the people of the USA have created as many inventions in health and convenience for all mankind as any other civilization ever. True, we put scumbags like the Shah of Iran in power, and murdered the American Indians and other political mistakes. But our positive inventions, have had such immense impact it's hard to even see it, it's everywhere.

Go ahead, tear it down, I know we're annoying. But I'll bet you my next ten paychecks you'll never get polio. And that's because of us.

[Jaylow]

I never said anything about America not being a great place to live but I am pretty sure that most countries that have a similar standard of living as the US would prefer their own country and countrymen for the same reasons you list.

[Akula]

' Wrote:

A lot of these bases are in shitty towns where the girl to guy ratio is absolutely awful. Fort Bragg was absolute shit.

+1 - no joke my brother was stationed in Yuma for years and there is like zero p*ssy there, and what's there is G*D awful. I think he was so starved for decent women that he just gave up and latched onto the best looking "5" he could. He just got engaged but is getting deployed and I have serious doubts about the whole thing.

The scary thing is how ok he seems to be about the whole thing, despite all the horror stories about brides and brides to be cheating when their significant others are away. I told him upfront that I don't think getting married/engaged before you go away on a 9-month tour of Afghanistan is the thing to do, but wished him well. He said something like "oh, I would never get married before my deployment, but think getting engaged is ok" which makes little sense to me what whatever.

Looking at it from his shoes I can see the novelty of having a steady girl and 'locking it down' while away, but all the same I don't think that's the right way to look at it from a long-term perspective. More like the desperate "I need to settle down and get in a stable relationship" sort of mentality (ironically at the exact time when his life will be the most volatile).

[ElJefe]

Very good post, iknowexactly. I had the exact same realization from my exposure to other cultures. Westerners are rich because we have a superior culture. Obvious to eveyone who's been out in the real world really, except Marxist anthropologists and their students at Ivy League Schools.

Not that this is relevant to this post.

The more I learn about history, why men fought, and what made them keep going even after defeat, the more I believe that national service MUST be part of any Republic that is to endure. And not just military service - that might make sense in times of war, but also for strengthening civil society in peace time. Imagine an army of committed and motivated youngsters ready to help out towns like Newark, Detroit or San Antonio. Restoring property, cleaning neighborhoods, etc.

[FretDancer]

(06-03-2013 01:07 AM)InternationPlayboy Wrote:  

American men are just easier to become friends with than most foreigner. I have more in common with them than others. It's strange that I prefer foreign women but prefer to be friends with American men I suppose. I'm not saying though that I'm not friends with foreign men, it's just my closest friends are all American.

Some truth here. I am latin american and I most of my experiences meeting Americans in the USA or in other countries have always been positive. I don't recall any negative experiences. American men are very friendly, and always have good vibes.

(06-03-2013 01:37 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

I used to make excuses for shithole countries with a lot of corruption and poverty.

Now I understand wealthy countries are wealthy because the people do what they're supposed to do.
Poor countries are poor sometimes because they are victims, but more because everyone's always fucking off or trying to get something for nothing.

Sad but true.

[kosko]

(06-03-2013 01:24 AM)InternationPlayboy Wrote:  

(06-03-2013 01:18 AM)Jaylow Wrote:  

Foreign interests control 95% of your congress and have been for many years now. Your nuclear secrets were stolen and given to your enemies years ago. America isn't in danger?

You guys will never be as powerful as you once were and will continue to decline as the years go on.

Not in danger from Iraq or Afghanistan where we have our soldiers. Who is there to fight? What reason? Though America is declining a little, I truly believe that despite the women, America is the best place on earth. Western Euope seems to be a bit boring. China, most have a shitty quality of life. Australia would probably be cool, but not America cool. I just love where I'm from and the people I meet here. There's really nothing you can say to convince me that America isn't a great place to live. I don't really care if our nuclear secrets were stolen or if foreign interests control 95% of our congress (Which I think is b/s by the way.) I would for sure live other places, but at the end of the day I'd always come back to the states. Once I get rich and have location and time independence, I can see myself living out of the country for 6 months and back in the states for 6 months.

Go take some smelling salts. Go say that stuff when your Guv gets the boots on the ground to go after you.

I used to drink the swill that Canada was this great beacon of safety and stability... Then I woke up.

My country is in the toilet just like yours. You can ride with it downwards or plan your escape, but no need to romantic words, write a novel for that.

Nothing more that pisses me off in the morning then Western arrogance and exceptionalism.

If your going around to new places with an idea that some how your better then your already taking L's.

The light bulb for instance -- prototypes were found (that work when reconstructed) in Egypt, pharmacology was started in Egypt, the first sewer systems: while London laid in filth for 200 years... Yea in Africa. Modern gun boats were modeled after the style and techniques made of the shores of Biafra. Germans whom rejected the Western model in two wars are the elite technocrats. Japan created a complete techincal society in less that 40 years. China (devopment wise) has done as much in 30 years then America has in 200.

Westerners are clueless. The tribal populations the West spent all their efforts to destroy did more for our way of life then any invention of Facebook has.

If this place was so great it wouldnt doing a nosedive of a cliff, if it was so great it would still be building great monuments, if it was so great it's people would be full of vatility and healthy, it's people would also be willing to haul ass knowing that something better is on the end.

[tomtud]

The army is mostly full of poor individuals who have a bleak future since most non-skilled labour jobs are shipped out overseas. Farenheight 911 talks about this. So I do not blame soldiers who took a job "serving their country" which I believe is only serving the special interests of a few. The elitists, war profiteers, political elite are the ones who pillage and devour poor countries and they use these poor citizens as soldiers to do so.

The incident a week ago or so in London with the Islamist killing the British soldier is a sad event. The Islamist targeted the wrong individual. Yes he was indirectly trying to influence foreign policy, but this soldier has nothing to do with it as he is just doing a job. They need to target the war profiteers who manipulate and start these wars.

As for wives of soldiers acting untrustworthy and leaving these guys high and dry, well lesson learnt! Don't get married to these skanks.

[A War You Cannot Win]

War profiteers. What great individuals and companies. Forcing young men to go to war in subpar gear because of convoluted business deals with the US government. Glad to know precisely how much my life is worth to the Lords of Lies.

[Derpface200]

(06-03-2013 06:50 AM)ElJefe Wrote:  

Very good post, iknowexactly. I had the exact same realization from my exposure to other cultures. Westerners are rich because we have a superior culture. Obvious to eveyone who's been out in the real world really, except Marxist anthropologists and their students at Ivy League Schools.

I'm an American but I can tell you this: economics doesn't really give a shit about your culture.

The west is rich because they stumbled onto mass production of fire arms and long endurance ocean going vessels. Cue several hundred years of pillaging the fuck out of the entire planet. Hell, even during the Cold War that sort of shit was still going on. BP got MI6 and the CIA to strangle Iranian democracy for more oil in 1953 during Operation AJAX. United Fruit company got the CIA to overthrow the democratically elected government of Guatemala so they could grow oranges for cheaper in the 1960s. America put Saddam Hussein into power in 1963 because we wanted an Iraq that obeyed Washington, discount oil, and gave him chemical weapons to fight Iran. All sorts of sketchy shit yo.

The West (including America) became rich in much the same way as the Mongols did, by stealing everyone else's shit and using it to lift themselves up.

I mean if you really want to talk culture influencing economics, in terms of economic growth rates and scientific stuff discovered (for such a short time frame), Nazi Germany exceeded, um pretty much every nation that ever existed. Those fuckers pretty much pioneered much of modern biology, rocketry, etc, etc. Those guys also had that whole nationalist "team spirit" that whole Prussian work ethic thing, an emphasis on fat shaming and public health, and traditional gender roles with a focus on strong, shameless masculinity. What a superior culture, no?

[Wadsworth]

(05-27-2013 12:29 AM)AntiTrace Wrote:  

Video summed up: Dude marries wrong woman, loses everything.

The video was well put together and deserves credit for that, it lost me at the end with its ridiculousness.



"Only 1.5% get fair treatment from the court system" - fair is a subjective term and therefore has no basis in statistics.



"Most will live the rest of their lives in poverty" - most is an unquantifiable term. And "poverty" is vague and also subjective.



"Most will be alienated from their children" - theres that word "most" again. And I am curious as to what alienated refers to; are "most" of them being cut off completely from their children or are they going through the same child visitation system that just about divorced man in the country, regardless of military service, deals with?



"Countless veterans a month choose this option" - I will agree the suicide rate in the military is alarming, but not surprising.



"I love my country, but my country doesn't love me" - absolutely wrong. Military servicemembers and veterans get discounts all over the place. The media portrays every single soldier to be a hero. Veterans get preferential treatment in job hiring, their employers get tax breaks for doing so. Many states offer free college education to veterans, others can use their GI bill benefits to pay for college. Want to buy a house for 0% down, theres a VA loan for that. Want to start a business as a vet? There a program for that to help you get funding up to 250k and give you free consultation.

America loves it soldiers. So yes, the country is still worth fighting for.

No, America is enamored with the idea of its soldiers, not with the soldiers themselves. Examine the self-congratulatory rhetoric under any level of scrutiny and you'll see this crass masturbation for the unending parade of sanctimonious bullshit that it is. People are happy anytime they get to express their Americana, however perverse and idiotic it might be, but they aren't remotely interested in caring for the broken men who return. They're busy 1) honoring the "brave women" who aren't even given the dangerous jobs, and 2) bitching about how military men are apparently all rapists.

At this point, serving in the military in Western nations is the height of stupidity, the absolute height. If you think America loves its soldiers then give it a whirl, and find out what a disposable appliance you are. If the ex wife decides to take the kids while you're gone, society will give you a bill when you return, will step over your broken body as an inconvenience, will make spending cuts to veteran affairs to balance the budget, and won't care if you eat a gun to make the pain go away.

All while cackling the fucking national anthem like the heinous bastards they are.

I think making yourself any kind of appliance, whether it be for protection or provision is beta, because you're not putting yourself first. Serve your own interests first and foremost, particularly these days. Fuck your country, seriously, it doesn't care about you, in fact it will often attempt to impose shame on you for being who you want to be.