[yankeetravels]

Reading this thread, I feel the need to put my stake on Christmas. I tend to have a different view on it than most of the forum, believing it's one of the highlights of the winter season and probably one of the five best days of the year for family. I definitely understand the people that don't like the holidays or feel some sort of depression during them, and there's things that annoy me about the holidays too. But, I am someone that has grown up with close family and has mostly held onto it.

One thing I tend to believe is that Christmas (Thanksgiving too) is a redpill within the redpill. What I mean is that Christmas is the type of thing men bitch about not caring for in a similar way that women bitch about not caring if they're single on Valentine's Day. They care, but want to remain strong at least for face to take on the tough holidays.

Christmas despite the materialism around it offers something that is very difficult to buy. A foundation. A foundation that offers love, support, and togetherness no matter what the circumstances. One example is that I mentioned in other posts I lost a close relative a few years back. He died close to the holidays and that first Christmas without him was very difficult for my whole family. Definitely the toughest one I have faced in my life. Despite all of us being miserable that Christmas, I think it was unspoken that the rest of us were grateful to be going through this with each other instead of on our own. Without a strong family, I think a lot of us would've drank ourselves into an oblivion for those couple of days.

I remember watching The Bucket List movie with Jack Nicholson and Morgan Freeman. Nicholson was a rich, lifelong bachelor and Freeman was a lifelong family man. Both had a terminal disease and went on a trip to do certain things before they die. When they got back, Freeman spent his last days with his wife of 50+ years, his kids, and his grandkids. They ate together at a big family dinner with Freeman and his wife staring at each other from across the table looking happy, scared, and appreciative. They both knew this might be the last big holiday dinner together, but they also both took the time to look around at the foundation they created together. Meanwhile, Nicholson went home, thought about his broken family relationships of the past, and ended up sobbing about it in front of hookers when it finally clicked to him that he was going to die alone with nobody really giving a shit he was going to be gone outside of his money.

Christmas I think we all know is about family. But the redpill in it is that it signifies the strength of the foundation of family. For a lot of guys, I think this is their eventual endgame or at least in the back of their minds, and Christmas forces us to take a hard look at that foundation and our closest relationships around us. It can be depressing if you realize you don't have that or just lost it as an adult. It makes us realize it may be important to keep good relationships with our family because like it or not, at the end of the day they are the most likely people that would be there for you if you're down.

If you spend it with family you love, great. If you spend it with family you hate, perhaps ask how you can improve or fix that situation with giving up as more of a last resort. If you spend it traveling, nothing wrong with that as long as it's not an every year thing. If you spend it with friends, that can be potentially rewarding as you can discover you have friends close enough to consider family.

Christmas makes us realize who we love, who we care about at the end, and the foundation we currently have. Reflect on it. Don't waste it.

[Built to Fade]

I dont celebrate Christmas myself but I do very much enjoy this time of year. Its nice to see people merry and jolly , thinking of other people and offering merry Christmas and cheer to everyone. I even love all the Christmas music , its so upbeat and happy and it puts me in a good mood , also it provides continuity and good memories of years past.

I would like to wish a merry Christmas to everyone celebrating today.

[sterlingarcher]

Yep, I hate this time of year.

First thing I'd do if I was King; cancel Christmas))

The International Festival of Obligation and Waste.

[godfather dust]

I don't like the fact many undoubtedly go into debt over Christmas gifts. It's a pagan holiday, transformed into a windfall for Jewish usurers, and labeled Christian (while Santa is Satan with the letters switched around.) I think many children like Santa more than Jesus.

I love the day itself, and Christmas Eve, both of which I spend with family, but dislike everything surrounding the holiday.

[Waqqle]

[Waqqle]

[Bain]

With so many single men and women, family divorces, feminism, misandry, radical lgbt, decline of religion, lack of work, etc, it is easy to understand why many do not like Christmas or New Years -- where you are liked only if you buy something.

[Syberpunk]

A kitten turned up tonight on our backdoor step, the cutest thing, extremely friendly (even ignored the food I gave it) now here catching moths well out of reach......Why can't all refugees be like this Christmas?

Trump voice,
"He's not going back."

Notice how all the good Christmas songs are now at least nearly 30 years old, nobody wants to make one because the popular culture has being completely gutted, nothing there, we're craving something that the core has being lifted out of. (John Waters Irish journalist on some of the streams in the Ireland thread mentioned this).

They tried to censor this song this year.
Merry Christmas RVF, you cheap lousy faggots.

[Built to Fade]

Godgather Dust
""""I don't like the fact many undoubtedly go into debt over Christmas gifts. It's a pagan holiday, transformed into a windfall for Jewish usurers, and labeled Christian (while Santa is Satan with the letters switched around.) I think many children like Santa more than Jesus.

I love the day itself, and Christmas Eve, both of which I spend with family, but dislike everything surrounding the holiday."""

Hey Godfather you sound like a lot of fun and cheer at the xmas party !!!!
Hey kiddies gather around , did you know Santa is just SATAN with the letters mixed up??!!??

Hey did you know Christmas was only created so Jewish userers ( haha) could make more money ? Yeah most people take out formal loans from the bank to buy xmas gifts for kids.

Oh well , have a merry xmas ......if you can.

[Poker]

What bothers me is that for many, Christmas had lost all of its meaning, it is just an empty exercise in consumerism. On top of this are the people who pretend to be your friend during the Christmas period and tell you how you ‘must all catch up ‘ next year despite all of you knowing that none of it is meant.

[Shemp]

If anyone out there is feeling holiday depression AND you are one of those people who always feels better knowing there is someone even more miserable, then may I suggest watching a few videos by the legendary Ryan Boundless, king of gloom himself (of special interest to anyone interested in Japan) :

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hxBpl0uvg3...WSp0nqsqZx

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

Christmas sucks because of shitty music playing all the time? Well, then you might want to sit down for this shocking revelation: almost all music played anywhere anytime sucks. That's the inherent feature of music in general, especially of pop music and, most of all, music played in public spaces.

[nomadbrah]

(12-24-2018 10:14 AM)yankeetravels Wrote:  

Reading this thread, I feel the need to put my stake on Christmas. I tend to have a different view on it than most of the forum, believing it's one of the highlights of the winter season and probably one of the five best days of the year for family. I definitely understand the people that don't like the holidays or feel some sort of depression during them, and there's things that annoy me about the holidays too. But, I am someone that has grown up with close family and has mostly held onto it.

One thing I tend to believe is that Christmas (Thanksgiving too) is a redpill within the redpill. What I mean is that Christmas is the type of thing men bitch about not caring for in a similar way that women bitch about not caring if they're single on Valentine's Day. They care, but want to remain strong at least for face to take on the tough holidays.

Christmas despite the materialism around it offers something that is very difficult to buy. A foundation. A foundation that offers love, support, and togetherness no matter what the circumstances. One example is that I mentioned in other posts I lost a close relative a few years back. He died close to the holidays and that first Christmas without him was very difficult for my whole family. Definitely the toughest one I have faced in my life. Despite all of us being miserable that Christmas, I think it was unspoken that the rest of us were grateful to be going through this with each other instead of on our own. Without a strong family, I think a lot of us would've drank ourselves into an oblivion for those couple of days.

I remember watching The Bucket List movie with Jack Nicholson and Morgan Freeman. Nicholson was a rich, lifelong bachelor and Freeman was a lifelong family man. Both had a terminal disease and went on a trip to do certain things before they die. When they got back, Freeman spent his last days with his wife of 50+ years, his kids, and his grandkids. They ate together at a big family dinner with Freeman and his wife staring at each other from across the table looking happy, scared, and appreciative. They both knew this might be the last big holiday dinner together, but they also both took the time to look around at the foundation they created together. Meanwhile, Nicholson went home, thought about his broken family relationships of the past, and ended up sobbing about it in front of hookers when it finally clicked to him that he was going to die alone with nobody really giving a shit he was going to be gone outside of his money.

Christmas I think we all know is about family. But the redpill in it is that it signifies the strength of the foundation of family. For a lot of guys, I think this is their eventual endgame or at least in the back of their minds, and Christmas forces us to take a hard look at that foundation and our closest relationships around us. It can be depressing if you realize you don't have that or just lost it as an adult. It makes us realize it may be important to keep good relationships with our family because like it or not, at the end of the day they are the most likely people that would be there for you if you're down.

If you spend it with family you love, great. If you spend it with family you hate, perhaps ask how you can improve or fix that situation with giving up as more of a last resort. If you spend it traveling, nothing wrong with that as long as it's not an every year thing. If you spend it with friends, that can be potentially rewarding as you can discover you have friends close enough to consider family.

Christmas makes us realize who we love, who we care about at the end, and the foundation we currently have. Reflect on it. Don't waste it.

That hit right in the feels man, for me, having lost family members and Christmas traditions becoming something I have to make happen and carry on and not something that just was there.

Merry Christmas roosvhians, I wish you many happy Christmas to come and health, wealth and prosperity for you and your families.

[The Beast1]

(12-12-2017 12:37 AM)Alsos Wrote:  

May just be a stage. I went through a brief period of hating the holidays, from around 20 until around 45.

In hindsight, it was a combination of irritating relatives, seasonal affect disorder, intense boredom from forced inactivity for a week or more, the unsatisfying quest for gifts to give, and the stress of travel peculiar to the holiday season. When you spend a day each way traveling through the worst airport in America, with a fifty-fifty shot that you're going to get marooned there for a month because a snowflake showed up on weather radar somewhere within a 500-mile radius, to spend a week or so trapped in your childhood home with nothing to do and relatives who at best ignore you, under skies so gloomy you keep the curtains drawn and only go out after dark so as to minimize the stifling sense of despair, to give and receive gifts that neither you nor they actually want, yeah, it sucks.

It got much less stressful when we decided not to give gifts to non-minors and focus more on dinner as the prime event of the day. Christmas started to be fun again when I was able to have it at my place where the weather is nicer and I wasn't the one who had to travel.

The trick is identifying and eliminating or minimizing the elements of the season that ruin it for you. Maybe find or make a holiday tradition that you can actually look forward to - like a secret charity donation, or taking the wife/GF for a fancy dinner as a reward after the unavoidable shopping/decorating is done, or some clever and mysterious gift you arrange without acknowledging it ("Honestly, honey, I have no earthly idea where that came from"), or getting shitfaced on a really good bourbon fruitcake (they do exist). Set aside what you hate about the season and make it your own instead.

For example, my (very alpha by all accounts) grandfather's personal tradition was, like Pa Ingalls, a peculiar treat that he never indulged in except on Christmas day: canned oysters. No matter how much of a pain in the ass the holiday season was, he always had that little luxury of his own to look forward to while the kids were tearing open gifts.

A lot of sage advice in this which has now permeated my activities this year which has completely changed my view on the Christmas season.
This year has been the most delightful holiday season I've ever had in a long time.

First, I passed out some homemade charcuterie and cheeses to friends and neighbors. This stuff is seriously good.

Next, set out a tree and decorations.

And finally, i'm throwing a massive new year's eve party with a lot of smoked ribs, chicken, and brisket. There's going to be some fun people coming over and the ratios will be tipped in my boys' favors. It's nice to be surrounded by a lot of people I care about. It's going to be a really laid back New Years Eve party.

Ironically, not a lot of people do anything that night so when I gauged interest among my circles everyone was really into it. It will be nice to mix these groups together.

Merry Christmas guys! Here's to a good time with friends and family heading into 2019!

[MongolianAbroad]

(12-24-2018 10:11 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  

(12-24-2018 10:14 AM)yankeetravels Wrote:  

Reading this thread, I feel the need to put my stake on Christmas. I tend to have a different view on it than most of the forum, believing it's one of the highlights of the winter season and probably one of the five best days of the year for family. I definitely understand the people that don't like the holidays or feel some sort of depression during them, and there's things that annoy me about the holidays too. But, I am someone that has grown up with close family and has mostly held onto it.

One thing I tend to believe is that Christmas (Thanksgiving too) is a redpill within the redpill. What I mean is that Christmas is the type of thing men bitch about not caring for in a similar way that women bitch about not caring if they're single on Valentine's Day. They care, but want to remain strong at least for face to take on the tough holidays.

Christmas despite the materialism around it offers something that is very difficult to buy. A foundation. A foundation that offers love, support, and togetherness no matter what the circumstances. One example is that I mentioned in other posts I lost a close relative a few years back. He died close to the holidays and that first Christmas without him was very difficult for my whole family. Definitely the toughest one I have faced in my life. Despite all of us being miserable that Christmas, I think it was unspoken that the rest of us were grateful to be going through this with each other instead of on our own. Without a strong family, I think a lot of us would've drank ourselves into an oblivion for those couple of days.

I remember watching The Bucket List movie with Jack Nicholson and Morgan Freeman. Nicholson was a rich, lifelong bachelor and Freeman was a lifelong family man. Both had a terminal disease and went on a trip to do certain things before they die. When they got back, Freeman spent his last days with his wife of 50+ years, his kids, and his grandkids. They ate together at a big family dinner with Freeman and his wife staring at each other from across the table looking happy, scared, and appreciative. They both knew this might be the last big holiday dinner together, but they also both took the time to look around at the foundation they created together. Meanwhile, Nicholson went home, thought about his broken family relationships of the past, and ended up sobbing about it in front of hookers when it finally clicked to him that he was going to die alone with nobody really giving a shit he was going to be gone outside of his money.

Christmas I think we all know is about family. But the redpill in it is that it signifies the strength of the foundation of family. For a lot of guys, I think this is their eventual endgame or at least in the back of their minds, and Christmas forces us to take a hard look at that foundation and our closest relationships around us. It can be depressing if you realize you don't have that or just lost it as an adult. It makes us realize it may be important to keep good relationships with our family because like it or not, at the end of the day they are the most likely people that would be there for you if you're down.

If you spend it with family you love, great. If you spend it with family you hate, perhaps ask how you can improve or fix that situation with giving up as more of a last resort. If you spend it traveling, nothing wrong with that as long as it's not an every year thing. If you spend it with friends, that can be potentially rewarding as you can discover you have friends close enough to consider family.

Christmas makes us realize who we love, who we care about at the end, and the foundation we currently have. Reflect on it. Don't waste it.

That hit right in the feels man, for me, having lost family members and Christmas traditions becoming something I have to make happen and carry on and not something that just was there.

Merry Christmas roosvhians, I wish you many happy Christmas to come and health, wealth and prosperity for you and your families.

Agreed, added that post to the "Great Comments By RVF Members" thread yesterday.

Good stuff.