[glugger]

Thanks for the replies guys.

I met up with her tonight in person, and as expected some variation of the question came up.

I used the general agree and amplify lines, keeping it light and funny, but, also as expected, this wasn't enough.

So I what I said next was, coincidentally, almost word for word what Kaotic wrote above about zero expectations! (I only just read your replies now)
And it helped her to understand where I'm coming from without killing the mood.

If I didn't care about her at all I would have just been deadpan serious and agreed and pulled it off as sarcasm.
But I think the reply above shows that I like her, but I'm not looking to lock down a girlfriend anytime soon, which is true.

[kaotic]

That's great to hear, so it showed you're invested "you like her" but aren't super serious about things.

[Cavorite]

I started daytime approaching for the first time in my life this June at age 40. It's cold and dark out out now, so my attempts have declined sharply.

I was looking through my phone contacts, and I gathered more than 200 numbers from the summer. From those I got about eight bangs, and only two of those were legit 7+.

Are these considered normal-ish numbers? I guess eight bangs is a lot for the average guy, but it feels like nothing considering the effort that went into it. They were almost all ONS.

It's kind of depressing that I went through all that work (approaching is very tough for me) and now I'm heading into winter with no gf and zero prospects, which is exactly where I didn't want to be.

[redbeard]

(10-31-2018 08:10 PM)Cavorite Wrote:  

I started daytime approaching for the first time in my life this June at age 40. It's cold and dark out out now, so my attempts have declined sharply.

I was looking through my phone contacts, and I gathered more than 200 numbers from the summer. From those I got about eight bangs, and only two of those were legit 7+.

Are these considered normal-ish numbers? I guess eight bangs is a lot for the average guy, but it feels like nothing considering the effort that went into it. They were almost all ONS.

It's kind of depressing that I went through all that work (approaching is very tough for me) and now I'm heading into winter with no gf and zero prospects, which is exactly where I didn't want to be.

8 bangs out of 200 approaches, that's 4% number to bang ratio.

Check out this thread: Two Months In The Life Of The G Manifesto: Approach-Number-Conversion Rates.

Putting aside the "is Gmanifesto real?!" discussion, he claims a 15% number to bang ratio. There are other guys in the thread who put up similar numbers.

However, that thread was posted years ago, and times have definitely changed.

In GAME (which I highly recommend you read), Roosh shares the following estimates:

Quote:

It would be great if you met a pretty girl in a bar, had a long conversation with her that ended with a kiss, got her phone number, and then arranged a date for a few days later. Unfortunately, the likelihood of this scenario is shrinking, resulting in huge amounts of frustration for just about every man who meets girls at night. Here is the worst-case reality: if you get phone numbers from girls you don’t kiss, you’ll need ten to eighteen numbers to get one date. If you’re getting numbers from girls you kissed, you’ll need between five and ten. If you’re banging girls on the same night, you’ll need between two and six. I guarantee you will go through periods where you see worst-case numbers.

Considering that you're not kissing these girls, you should expect a 5-10% number to date ratio using Roosh's numbers.

My suggestion: just keep going. If these are your first 200 approaches ever, you've got a long way to go, and your numbers should improve over next few hundred.

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Thank you. I should've mentioned this is all daygame. I would assume you get lower conversion rates from that.

[Black Caesar]

Just look to where the girls are dropping off

Are you copping digits that never respond?

Are you texting/calling and they ghost or you can’t get them out?

Do the come out for a Day 2 but you can’t close?

Depending on that you’ll have different angles to run.

I’m gonna guess that it’s mostly drop off early on and you should work on your hook and follow up.

[HustleNomad]

(10-31-2018 08:10 PM)Cavorite Wrote:  

I started daytime approaching for the first time in my life this June at age 40. It's cold and dark out out now, so my attempts have declined sharply.

I was looking through my phone contacts, and I gathered more than 200 numbers from the summer. From those I got about eight bangs, and only two of those were legit 7+.

Are these considered normal-ish numbers? I guess eight bangs is a lot for the average guy, but it feels like nothing considering the effort that went into it. They were almost all ONS.

It's kind of depressing that I went through all that work (approaching is very tough for me) and now I'm heading into winter with no gf and zero prospects, which is exactly where I didn't want to be.

If you banged 8 out of 200 phone numbers, all from the street, it means essentially you fucked the "strong yes" girls. The good news is you have some serious room for improvement somewhere in your funnel - clearly you're putting in the grind, so tweaking a few things should make conversion shoot up significantly. Black Caesar dropped a nice little diagnostic above, would be interested to hear your analysis.

If your street approach is tight you should be able to get between one quarter and one half of your numbers out for a date, depending on city/country. From there the close percentage depends on your date game and to some extent your logistics.
Street phone numbers (assuming your approach is good) are generally a lot more reliable than bar/club numbers, so I wouldn't read too much into figures in the above posts since they are based on night time.

A big factor in street game is positioning, time of day and average profile - this varies by city and also area. I've been blown out 10x in a row during rush hour at a metro station by girls who clearly had somewhere to be, and in contrast collected 3 numbers in a row from aimless wanderers or solo tourists at the beach.

I don't know what your average session looks like, but if you have to rush your number closes because it's a busy time of day in a transit area, they're gonna be less solid than the number from a solo tourist or aimless 3pm shopper, both of whom have absolutely nothing to do.

If I'm misinterpreting and you actually banged 8 out of 200 cold approaches, not numbers, then you're well on the right track and should just work on ratcheting up the quality.

[Cavorite]

I phrased that poorly. I meant 8 bangs from 200+ approaches, not phone numbers.

Maybe 25% of numbers return my text, half of those actually end up meeting for a date, and half of those end in a bang. I feel like I'm leaving a lot of girls on the table.

I guess I'm not making a strong enough impression. I mostly use Roosh's small talk/elderly game, but never progress much beyond that in the initial conversation.

[Player_1337]

(11-01-2018 03:49 PM)HustleNomad Wrote:  

(10-31-2018 08:10 PM)Cavorite Wrote:  

I started daytime approaching for the first time in my life this June at age 40. It's cold and dark out out now, so my attempts have declined sharply.

I was looking through my phone contacts, and I gathered more than 200 numbers from the summer. From those I got about eight bangs, and only two of those were legit 7+.

Are these considered normal-ish numbers? I guess eight bangs is a lot for the average guy, but it feels like nothing considering the effort that went into it. They were almost all ONS.

It's kind of depressing that I went through all that work (approaching is very tough for me) and now I'm heading into winter with no gf and zero prospects, which is exactly where I didn't want to be.

If you banged 8 out of 200 phone numbers, all from the street, it means essentially you fucked the "strong yes" girls. The good news is you have some serious room for improvement somewhere in your funnel - clearly you're putting in the grind, so tweaking a few things should make conversion shoot up significantly. Black Caesar dropped a nice little diagnostic above, would be interested to hear your analysis.

If your street approach is tight you should be able to get between one quarter and one half of your numbers out for a date, depending on city/country. From there the close percentage depends on your date game and to some extent your logistics.
Street phone numbers (assuming your approach is good) are generally a lot more reliable than bar/club numbers, so I wouldn't read too much into figures in the above posts since they are based on night time.

A big factor in street game is positioning, time of day and average profile - this varies by city and also area. I've been blown out 10x in a row during rush hour at a metro station by girls who clearly had somewhere to be, and in contrast collected 3 numbers in a row from aimless wanderers or solo tourists at the beach.

I don't know what your average session looks like, but if you have to rush your number closes because it's a busy time of day in a transit area, they're gonna be less solid than the number from a solo tourist or aimless 3pm shopper, both of whom have absolutely nothing to do.

If I'm misinterpreting and you actually banged 8 out of 200 cold approaches, not numbers, then you're well on the right track and should just work on ratcheting up the quality.

In this day and age, phone numbers guarantee zilch.

Regardless of the context, tons of women will give you their numbers out of politeness and/or to hose you for attention.

[HustleNomad]

(11-01-2018 04:35 PM)Player_1337 Wrote:  

In this day and age, phone numbers guarantee zilch.

Regardless of the context, tons of women will give you their numbers out of politeness and/or to hose you for attention.

You're right, part of the numbers game is that you come across a bit of everything... but sharp calibration, tight street game and a followup process will help swing some of them off the fence.

I'm by no means an expert but I've gotten a lot better at telling the difference between politeness, attention seeking, and genuine interest. You can't avoid it but you can minimize it and adjust your expectations accordingly.

[HustleNomad]

(11-01-2018 04:12 PM)Cavorite Wrote:  

I phrased that poorly. I meant 8 bangs from 200+ approaches, not phone numbers.

Maybe 25% of numbers return my text, half of those actually end up meeting for a date, and half of those end in a bang. I feel like I'm leaving a lot of girls on the table.

I guess I'm not making a strong enough impression. I mostly use Roosh's small talk/elderly game, but never progress much beyond that in the initial conversation.

Those are still some pretty good numbers man. 1 in 25 from the street is nothing to sniff at... so the next thing is to ratchet up the quality of girl.

In terms of making a stronger impression, which obviously helps with the hotter ones, I learnt a lot from Krauser's more advanced material.

He has more of a direct approach in comparison, which seems to work better for me in terms of polarizing the girls and improving response/date rate.

She should leave the interaction feeling excited, having had her state spiked a bunch of times, been qualifying herself to you, and she should have no illusion about your intentions... if you're sticking to very friendly chat the whole time then there isn't a lot that's particularly novel about the interaction - she needs to have her world rocked in some way for you to stand out.

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Quote:

She should leave the interaction feeling excited, having had her state spiked a bunch of times, been qualifying herself to you, and she should have no illusion about your intentions... if you're sticking to very friendly chat the whole time then there isn't a lot that's particularly novel about the interaction - she needs to have her world rocked in some way for you to stand out.

This is exactly the advice I'm looking for. I've hit a plateau just using the elderly game.

I'll check out Krauser. Is there anyone else you recommend? My game is still pretty beginner, that's why I've been sticking with small talk. I think I need to push out of my comfort zone now.

[pancakemouse]

(11-01-2018 04:12 PM)Cavorite Wrote:  

I phrased that poorly. I meant 8 bangs from 200+ approaches, not phone numbers.

Maybe 25% of numbers return my text, half of those actually end up meeting for a date, and half of those end in a bang. I feel like I'm leaving a lot of girls on the table.

Those are very good stats.

Paul Janka and JMULV both claim they bang about 10% of the numbers they get. I am about this level (maybe slightly below) from online game.

As far as daygame, I have 400 lifetime approaches, 115 numbers, 15 dates, only 2 lays from daygame, and I'm a decade younger than you and consider my game pretty solid. So you're already doing much better than me.

[Cavorite]

Thanks, man. That's good to know.

I think I'm mainly coasting on looks; I'm still pretty socially awkward.

And most of the girls I bang are in the 5-6 range, and probably just like that I'm more attractive than them. I don't really consider that "game".

[pancakemouse]

(11-01-2018 08:08 PM)Cavorite Wrote:  

Thanks, man. That's good to know.

I think I'm mainly coasting on looks; I'm still pretty socially awkward.

And most of the girls I bang are in the 5-6 range, and probably just like that I'm more attractive than them. I don't really consider that "game".

Ah, that makes more sense. I am a male 5.5/6 and won't approach anything less than a 6.5. I typically aim for 7.

I figure if I can get 6s and 6.5s directly over to my place on Tinder, no point in really wasting time approaching at or below that. Especially because daygame girls require more work to bang than Tinder girls.

[HustleNomad]

(11-01-2018 07:49 PM)Cavorite Wrote:  

Quote:

She should leave the interaction feeling excited, having had her state spiked a bunch of times, been qualifying herself to you, and she should have no illusion about your intentions... if you're sticking to very friendly chat the whole time then there isn't a lot that's particularly novel about the interaction - she needs to have her world rocked in some way for you to stand out.

This is exactly the advice I'm looking for. I've hit a plateau just using the elderly game.

I'll check out Krauser. Is there anyone else you recommend? My game is still pretty beginner, that's why I've been sticking with small talk. I think I need to push out of my comfort zone now.

I think that's all you need - I have all of his stuff and it's a pretty complete picture. I try not to read too much from different sources at the same time because you can take away a mixed message, gets too confusing. Assimilate first before consuming more from a different source, that way things tend to make more sense.

[pancakemouse]

The problem with Krauser is that it's very London/European focused advice. A lot of the weird stuff he does and says wouldn't fly in the US, culturally.

For US daygame I much prefer Todd Valentine.

[HustleNomad]

(11-02-2018 10:47 AM)corsega Wrote:  

The problem with Krauser is that it's very London/European focused advice. A lot of the weird stuff he does and says wouldn't fly in the US, culturally.

For US daygame I much prefer Todd Valentine.

I wouldn't say he does much "weird stuff". I'm from NZ and have spent some time in Australia, it's still applicable and if anything we'd be considered more "culturally" different than Americans.

There's always calibration but that goes without saying and is pretty common sense. You're not going to say "I hope you speak english" to a white girl in the middle of Texas, or cold read half the girls as looking really Russian when you're in NZ/AU. It's not like Europe doesn't have a significant spectrum either - Eastern Europeans respond much differently than British girls.

Todd V seems reasonable and generally has a pretty technical approach to things. I haven't gone through his daygame material though so I can't speak much to his methodology.
All I'm trying to say is pick one guy's approach and run with it until you've ironed out the kinks - I can't vouch for Todd but 1k+ approaches along Krauser's lines has improved my results noticeably, and I know firsthand a lot of what he teaches will help drive a bigger first impression. In the past I haven't liked how RSD products are very hypey and not so grounded, but I haven't watched any of Todd's stuff in a few years.

[Trent W.]

Was out at a 90s party last night. Pretty good atmosphere, nice music, good energy and IoIs on the dance floor.

Speaking of IoIs, do you guys ever get lack of focus? When IoIs come from a couple of directions, and none of them is something I feel strongly about OR it's a hard set (big group, she's with a guy etc.), I kind of let it play out the way it will. It didn't help last night and I wish I would change that and just go more actively for one.

One of the girls I was hitting it with suddenly disappeared even though it looked like she was interested. Higher chance of avoiding that if I had led her off the dance floor to chat more properly. Same thing happened on Friday night.

Got something out of the night at least, I had a last-minute number close on the way back after I got off the bus.

[Maximummax]

Question folks
While texting/Snapchat with girls
I noticed some times they reply with “sir” like yes sir or something like that
Does it mean anything ?

[Noir]

My girl told me she loves Audis and jokingly asked if I would buy her one.

Bought her an A5, Hotwheels, will wrap it and make it look legit and might record her reaction.

[realologist]

(11-05-2018 05:48 AM)Noir Wrote:  

My girl told me she loves Audis and jokingly asked if I would buy her one.

Bought her an A5, Hotwheels, will wrap it and make it look legit and might record her reaction.

Put a bow on it.

[FenyoLuc]

So uhh, yeah guys, i sailed to pretty weird waters. What a bout a friends ex as a FWB?
i mean i always was in good friendly relationship with her, and stuff, but in the past few weeks there were soft flirting between us, and tough i do it for fun only, it raised a question in me. Would it be a jerk move if someone did the above there? In most cases i would feel bad if someone would do similar to me, but not in all, if the girl was a hoe who gives a fuck if your friend banged her or not. But now i just slid to a pretty slippery slope, and want to know if i should get back, before i fuck anything up.

[FenyoLuc]

Nvm mind i already slid down

[RougeNoir]

I've eclipsed 100 lifetime bangs. I'm no longer going for numbers. I'm triple digits now and my ego has rationalized that there's diminishing returns unless I get close to 1000 bangs, which I find no reason to pursue. 101, 500, and 999 bangs are all triple digits. I'm focusing on the 8s, 9s, and dymes for the remainder of my life, passively open to a potential wife, and also mixing in some flag missions.