[Lemmo]

(05-14-2013 08:00 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

If Obama is responsible, it's probably payback for all the (often racist) bullshit he took at the Tea Party rallies. I would actually respect him if he had the balls to go after his enemies.

Yeah, some people carried some insulting posters at a rally so systematically denying half the political spectrum of their legal rights would be an appropriate response. I expect a POTUS to be able to handle criticism better than a PMSing woman but maybe I'm an idealist.

[Galnuc69]

(05-14-2013 08:05 PM)Lemmo Wrote:  

(05-14-2013 08:00 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

If Obama is responsible, it's probably payback for all the (often racist) bullshit he took at the Tea Party rallies. I would actually respect him if he had the balls to go after his enemies.

Yeah, some people carried some insulting posters at a rally so systematically denying half the political spectrum of their legal rights would be an appropriate response. I expect a POTUS to be able to handle criticism better than a PMSing woman but maybe I'm an idealist.

Obama=Beta.

[painter]

I'm sure this is all George Bush's fault. Obama is a product of honest Chicago machine politics.

Only evil conservatives can be guilty of doing wrong. Progressive, feminist lovers like Obama only want what they know is best for the peons so if they have to use the IRS to intimidate and subvert the opposition like Nixon did then it's totally justified.

[TheCaptainPower]

I'm surprised at some of you guys, if you are going to defend controversal bloggers like Roosh and Matt Forney (he was attacked recently), then you should take these accusations serious...

Lets see what happens with the hearings. Bill O'reilly was screaming about it tonight on his show...

[j r]

It is interesting that on a forum where the guiding metaphor is about taking the red pill, so many people are stuck in the Red Team-Blue Team matrix.

[Galnuc69]

(05-14-2013 08:34 PM)j r Wrote:  

It is interesting that on a forum where the guiding metaphor is about taking the red pill, so many people are stuck in the Red Team-Blue Team matrix.

I definitely don't support either party, I just like pointing out the hypocrisy of the left, they aren't nearly as hypocritical as you average republican and happen to be in the seat of power right now. I would argue also that the left is promoting a blue pill style agenda that is an antithesis to what the Manosphere supports.

[BLarsen]

(05-14-2013 08:11 PM)Galnuc69 Wrote:  

Obama=Beta.

I have to disagree with you.

*Lawyer
*State Senator
*US Senator
*POTUS

Beta?

Personally I think that anyone who has the book smarts and social smarts to win his party's nomination and WIN an election TWICE to the highest elected office in the land has infinitely higher value and "alpha status" than 99.9% of human beings on planet Earth.

And yes that includes GW Bush who I can't stand. I don't hate the playa, I hate the game.

IDK, I just don't believe what I see on TV... it's all theater. Obama (who I voted for in 2004) is way worse than Bush with drone strikes and I really fucking hate his domestic policy.

[Hyperion]

(05-14-2013 06:45 PM)TheCaptainPower Wrote:  

I was never a big fan of the "chosen one", and I try to stay out of politics in my personal life, but this news with the IRS is pretty serious.

It looks like the IRS was targeting conservative or tea party groups for auditing.

In a nutshell, they were trying to take money away from political opposition.

This is right up there with Stalin, Nixon, and Fidel Castro.

Is this what our country is becoming??

The IRS has already been fucking up by sending thousands of fradulent take refunds, and now this?

Big government is ALWAYS corrupt. Why not get rid of the IRS and have a flat tax??

I don't think Obama will be impeached and thrown out of office, but it looks like a good chance he will have some "impeachment charges".

"Don't tread on me"

As shocking as it is, this is nothing new. FDR used the IRS to put political opponents in jail, often times on what could be described as highly questionable terms.

O is a disaster but I supsect we'll have to put up with him until his term expires, can't impeach the first black president and all that noise.

[clever alias]

(05-14-2013 08:41 PM)Galnuc69 Wrote:  

(05-14-2013 08:34 PM)j r Wrote:  

It is interesting that on a forum where the guiding metaphor is about taking the red pill, so many people are stuck in the Red Team-Blue Team matrix.

I definitely don't support either party, I just like pointing out the hypocrisy of the left, they aren't nearly as hypocritical as you average republican and happen to be in the seat of power right now. I would argue also that the left is promoting a blue pill style agenda that is an antithesis to what the Manosphere supports.

really? ive always found the right to be more hypocritical. the left seems more up front on "more taxes and goverment." whereas the right says "less taxes less government" then does the opposite.

[Beck_]

(05-14-2013 08:44 PM)BLarsen Wrote:  

(05-14-2013 08:11 PM)Galnuc69 Wrote:  

Obama=Beta.

I have to disagree with you.

*Lawyer
*State Senator
*US Senator
*POTUS

Beta?

Personally I think that anyone who has the book smarts and social smarts to win his party's nomination and WIN an election TWICE to the highest elected office in the land has infinitely higher value and "alpha status" than 99.9% of human beings on planet Earth.

And yes that includes GW Bush who I can't stand. I don't hate the playa, I hate the game.

IDK, I just don't believe what I see on TV... it's all theater. Obama (who I voted for in 2004) is way worse than Bush with drone strikes and I really fucking hate his domestic policy.

Eh, hugely successful people can definitely still be beta. Still don't think Obama is though... He seems like a cool level headed guy. (Not that that makes him a great president)

[TheBMan]

(05-14-2013 08:44 PM)BLarsen Wrote:  

(05-14-2013 08:11 PM)Galnuc69 Wrote:  

Obama=Beta.

I have to disagree with you.

*Lawyer
*State Senator
*US Senator
*POTUS

Beta?

Personally I think that anyone who has the book smarts and social smarts to win his party's nomination and WIN an election TWICE to the highest elected office in the land has infinitely higher value and "alpha status" than 99.9% of human beings on planet Earth.

And yes that includes GW Bush who I can't stand. I don't hate the playa, I hate the game.

IDK, I just don't believe what I see on TV... it's all theater. Obama (who I voted for in 2004) is way worse than Bush with drone strikes and I really fucking hate his domestic policy.

serious question - do you think Obama has ever landed a punch - or ever really even thrown one meant to hurt- in his lifetime?

[CJ_W]

(05-14-2013 07:21 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

I hope you guys calling for impeachment were calling for impeachment of Bush II and Reagan, who committed as many (probably more) and as bad (probably worse) crimes.

lol You know they weren't, and you know why too haha!

I'll just leave it at that.

[Sabra]

(05-14-2013 06:45 PM)TheCaptainPower Wrote:  

This is right up there with Stalin, Nixon, and Fidel Castro.

You know Stalin killed 20 million of his own countrymen, right?

And I'm not sure many Cubans would agree about Castro either.

Apply a little perspective bro.


Anyway, what's getting lost in the media coverage is:

1. The IRS ultimately approved the legit Tea Party requests, even if they were subject to extra scrutiny
2. Why are these type of organizations even eligible for tax-exempt status? By law, political organizations should not be exempt. Who here thinks that political organizations shouldn't be paying taxes, but we all should?
3. Why, given point 2, were they ultimately approved for this status?

None of that was discussed here:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/05/...n-thought/

A different view on the issue:
http://www.salon.com/2013/05/13/how_irs_...singleton/

[BLarsen]

(05-14-2013 09:18 PM)TheBMan Wrote:  

serious question - do you think Obama has ever landed a punch - or ever really even thrown one meant to hurt- in his lifetime?

Probably not. Is that the measure of "alpha"? You and I may have differing opinions...

[TheRookie]

C'mon Tuthmosis, don't be such an Obama bootlicker



I wasn't around for Reagan, but I did think a lot of what Bush did was grounds for impeachment, if we didn't have such a sycophantic opposition:

1. Patriot Act
2. FBI spying on opposition groups
3. Lying about WMDs
4. Lying about Saddam - bin Laden connection
5. Stonewalling the 9/11 Commission

[TheRookie]

(05-14-2013 09:21 PM)CJ_W Wrote:  

(05-14-2013 07:21 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

I hope you guys calling for impeachment were calling for impeachment of Bush II and Reagan, who committed as many (probably more) and as bad (probably worse) crimes.

lol You know they weren't, and you know why too haha!

I'll just leave it at that.

I called for Bush impeachment. And Obama probably deserves it as well.

[clever alias]

(05-14-2013 09:40 PM)TheRookie Wrote:  

C'mon Tuthmosis, don't be such an Obama bootlicker



I wasn't around for Reagan, but I did think a lot of what Bush did was grounds for impeachment, if we didn't have such a sycophantic opposition:

1. Patriot Act
2. FBI spying on opposition groups
3. Lying about WMDs
4. Lying about Saddam - bin Laden connection
5. Stonewalling the 9/11 Commission

it is true that the same people at Tea Party rallies had no problem with the gross hypocrisy of bush, im not inclined to think it was racially motivated.

[Tex Pro]

Obama won't get impeached simply because the Democrats control the Senate. The House can try to move forward with articles of impeachment (like they did with Clinton), but it won't get anywhere since the Dems control the Senate.

[TheRookie]

(05-14-2013 09:45 PM)clever alias Wrote:  

it is true that the same people at Tea Party rallies had no problem with the gross hypocrisy of bush, im not inclined to think it was racially motivated.

Who gives a shit about the fat slobs at the Tea Party rally? It's not about whose fans are more atrocious, it's about Obama's actions in office. Obama's actions have been nothing less than reprehensible. He has continued the Bush legacy of tearing apart habeas corpus, eliminating due process protections, and erecting a massive surveillance/police state.

His administration lied about Benghazi and lied about the IRS scandal. His Justice Department spied on AP reporters. If nothing else, he should be firing half the top brass at the State Department, Justice and the IRS.

[TheBulldozer]

Does this have any bearing on how I live my life?

No. Who cares about rich people pandering.

Politics is such a snooze. It's the ultimate drama where people feel like they are watching something "important" unfold in the world. It's as theatrical and distractive as reality TV, sports, etc.

[2Wycked]

Think about the practical effect of impeaching Obama - Joe Biden becomes President. Joe Biden. No thanks.

[TheBMan]

(05-14-2013 09:36 PM)BLarsen Wrote:  

(05-14-2013 09:18 PM)TheBMan Wrote:  

serious question - do you think Obama has ever landed a punch - or ever really even thrown one meant to hurt- in his lifetime?

Probably not. Is that the measure of "alpha"? You and I may have differing opinions...

everyone has different characteristics of what an alpha, and i think its an overused term, but i find it hard to find a pencil wristed weakling who wears mom jeans and may or may not be able to bench press more then his wife an alpha. he is more an opportunist then anything. he won his Senate seat because his opposing candidate was forced off the ballot and he was in the right place at the right time to win the presidency. he does give great speeches, but away from his teleprompter he's nothing. its not like he rose to power thru militaristic fear like a hard ass dictator who kills off his opposition. silver tongued beta.

[Kabal]

(05-14-2013 08:34 PM)j r Wrote:  

It is interesting that on a forum where the guiding metaphor is about taking the red pill, so many people are stuck in the Red Team-Blue Team matrix.

Team Blue, for the past few decades, has been more successful in pushing their dogma onto the pubic zeitgeist and into policy.

Team Red's social conservative base, however, seems feckless and ineffectual--not a threat. In fact, Team Red pushes a lot of Blue Pill policies too, just at a lag (No Child Left Behind, GSE clusterfucks, etc.)
--so to oppose Team Blue can often be to pre-emptively cut Team Red at their knees as well; but not necessarily the other way around.

Team Blue is like The Borg--formidable, seemingly unstoppable, even though we know their weaknesses; Team Red like the Ferengi--annoying and a nuisance, but generally harmless.

These kinds of "but... but... both parties are bad" type objections get us nowhere.

[Lemmo]

(05-14-2013 10:03 PM)Kabal Wrote:  

These kinds of "but... but... both parties are bad" type objections get us nowhere.

Nor are they intended to. They are the usual response when the bad behavior itself can't be denied. The point is to end the discussion. It is like when a feminist responds to any criticism by saying you hate women or citing male privilege.

[TheRookie]

(05-14-2013 09:55 PM)MaleDefined Wrote:  

Does this have any bearing on how I live my life?

No. Who cares about rich people pandering.

Politics is such a snooze. It's the ultimate drama where people feel like they are watching something "important" unfold in the world. It's as theatrical and distractive as reality TV, sports, etc.

Do you pay taxes? Will the IRS find out you have an account on "hate website" http://www.rooshvforum.network by snooping through your e-mails and subject you to an audit

The IRS only backed down on snooping through private e-mails without a warrant after a public backlash.