[Moma]

rudebwoy - If I talk about Toronto's flaws again, my blood pressure will just rise. It's best I just let sleeping wolves lie and pour out a beer for my suffering bredrins dem (you, Vacancier etc).

[AlbertoDelMuerto]

Probably the most diverse city in the world! There are way too many Chinese and Indian people living in Toronto, and also there are quite a lot of Africans too.

[Vacancier Permanent]

To the OP:
You've got to be out of your freaking mind to be wanting to move to Toronto! I've been living in this city for almost 18 years and to sum it up, I'll say that I've been around the world and the biggest shit hole I've been to has been Manila and the biggest shithole I've lived in has been Toronto. As a matter of fact, I refer to this city as Boretown.

Read these threads and you will understand what's the real deal with Toronto:

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-6277.h...th+Toronto

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-17111.html

And you may as well watch and read the posts that Roosh made about this city on his blog. If after having gone through all the above you still want to move here, then you are the biggest saddist in the world.

Proceed with caution here man! Don't say you were not warned tough!!!

[SuS]

I'm sorry, but the OP is describing my life to a T! I definitely feel him on this subject. I'm also a non-stereotypical black dude who has been stuck in DC for far too goddamned long, thanks to the shit economy everywhere else in this fucking country. Everything he's describing is 100% true, and his concerns 100% valid. For those who say "TORONTO'S THE HELL ON EARTH, OH NOES," let's be honest. The only reason you all are saying DC is better (by default) is that despite the white cunts that are insufferable (whether it's the psuedo-liberals or sorori-whores), there are plenty of black, latina, and asian bitches who will date white guys with little need of gaming them. Well guess what...black dudes in DC have it that much harder!

Even if it is the most feminazied city in Canada, Toronto is more of a free market when it comes to the dating/hooking up scene compared to the shithole that is DC! To the OP, Toronto isn't the best place in Canada, but it's a Hell of a lot better than DC! I suggest going to Toronto (if only just to leave DC) if possible, but make it a temporary stop to your ultimate destination. However, do some damn good research first to figure out how to avoid the feminist, yuppie, and douchey parts of the GTA.

Another suggestion, if it's easier, is to move out West. Some cities where you won't face as much hostility for your preference include Seattle, Minneapolis, Sacramento, and Denver. Other cities like San Diego, Las Vegas, Portland, and most of the Bay Area would more likely do as well, but I'd still do some research on those cities. But ultimately in your case, I'd look to relocating outside the country. The UK, Germany, Australia, and Canada would be good options. Eastern Europe and Russia....I'd think very hard as a black man before making that move.

The only thing I would say against your argument is that you're looking to get married. Marriage, IMO, is a concept that worked when women were truly submissive, went out of their way to please their man, raised their kids instead of leaving the school, daycare, and television/internet to do the work, and didn't buy into feminist bullshit. This forum is focused mostly on how to get laid, so the answers you may get (including the Anti-Toronto responses) are based on people who are looking to get a piece of ass in the fastest amount of time with the least amount of effort, which there's nothing with whatsoever . I concur with the responders that Toronto isn't great when it comes to getting laid (although still fucking better than DC), but it seems that you're looking for something different.

[rudebwoy]

SuS - I speak as a mature black man that has travelled and lived in Toronto for over 25 years. The glory days of this city have long gone, I have no vested interested in whether the OP comes here or not. I will say I am not your stereotypical black guy, not that seems to make much difference in this city nowadays. Even American black guys use to slay it up here but even they are finding it harder these days, I actually receieved a message from one on this board who moved here for a girl and is now complaining.
The DC vs Toronto argument is old and quite frankly who really cares, it is like comparing a Pinto against a Gremlin. I would much rather talk about a Lamborghini vs Maserati.
Now to the sensitive issue - Race. White guys have it alot easier in this city socially and economically, they can also date any girl they choose and yet guys I know young and old complain. Playboys in this city are far and few between, most dudes get a girl and fall off the face of the earth never to be heard from.
One thing DC has over Toronto is jobs, there is a big shortage of jobs and I am seeing lots of dudes hanging in the Starbucks during the daytime looking for work. I am waiting on my next contract gig, fingers crossed.
I would agree with you about relocating to UK, Germany and Australia. I myself am looking to move back to the UK and also I would not rule out Eastern Europe, there are plenty of Multi-national companies looking for expats.
I love Toronto as a city, the problem is the people.

[SuS]

Well rudebwoy, that makes three of us mature non-ghetto black men (including the OP). To your response, I'm not going to act like I know about Toronto since my week of visiting the city pales in comparision to your 25 years. But with my 25 years living in and around DC, I will stand with my original conclusion that DC is worse than Toronto, but in respect for your knowledge about Toronto, both cities should be avoided at all costs.

To the OP, if you must go to Canada, I would venture to the Western cities. I mentioned Minneapolis, Denver, and Seattle as American alternatives, but Edmonton, Calgary, and Vancouver are respectively the Canadian equivalents, so you should have nothing to worry about. And in the case that you break up from your girl, you won't have any problem finding chicks who are "down with the swirl" in those cities.

[beta_plus]

@Sus - I admit as a white guy that I may not be able to relate, but I have lived in both DC and Toronto-Occupied-Ontario. DC is annoying and overpriced - if you put in the work you can still get a cute LTR while not having to be a black belt PUA. Though one will get much better ROI in other US cities. If DC was not so ridiculously expensive, I don't think people would bash it very much.

Toronto-Occupied-Ontario will crush your soul. From multiple men in multiple environments of multiple races have said the same thing. Kosko mentioned a while back that he did not see the dating down in DC that he saw in Toronto. I 100% agree with him.

[hayesbrandon30]

First i want to thank everyone here who dropped in some knowledge. it's good to hear varying types of perspectives on Toronto.

i have to make good contacts and scout out toronto myself. basically DC is only good for career options. I'm 30 and i graduate this year. i'm gonna be doing cyber security. and i need to spend time building myself up.

at the end of the day we all want the same thing. we want to be some place where we can be happy, have a good attractive woman on our arms (no matter what her race/color is), and be in an environment that appreciates us. right?

DC (dating wise) is very hard for non-stereotype black men. its very rough!

its rough for all men, but there is a special type of toughness and dysfunction non-steretotype black men have to endure. and i'm afraid i can only demonstrate the bullshit we put up with thru videos because its so fucking complicated for a non-black person to understand the dynamics. to truly understand it, one has to experience it.

so to those who can't understand why i would consider Toronto and think i'm a sad individual for doing so, you clearly don't know what its like on this side of the fence. therefore i can't be mad at you for insulting me because you don't understand.

and the reality is when we can understand history, racism and prejudice better, we got to look at the history of DC. DC is still very close to the Mason-Dixon line. DC is the nations capital. there is alot of history here. negative history.

Sure we have a black president and america is SLOWLY changing. But lets accept the fact that there will ALWAYS be hostility and racial dynamics between all races. in my view the black community is equally as racist as the white community is here in DC. its equal. i just feel that certain groups have more control and economic power, and decision making power in comparison to other groups.

so when we talk about interracial dating (especially if its white with black) and even more so if its black men with white women then it becomes a HOT TOPIC. it becomes an ISSUE.

i think this film here does a good job of examining those dymanics.

the reality is simple. there is a gender war happening within the black community and we black men (especially non-stereotype black men) are simply tired of our women and how they treat us.

this poor treatment is documented very well in this film here

We also are not gonna put up with the non sense either. and many of us are researching other options. for example i'm trying to see what's up with Toronto. i'm learning russian and other languages, and i'm trying to talk to slavic ladies.

however, non-stereotype BLACK men are often deemed as sellouts by our own community and family if we chose to date outside the race with white women. there is a hostile and sometimes aggressive in-your-face backlash for boycotting black women. its real and its tough.

we become targets by all types of people. especially minorities and mainly angry black women.

thus..interracial couples end up catching hell from all races on some level. Some mixed couples simply suffer silence while others don't last very long and can't stay together because of the bullshit.

to be honest, i like the idea of a diverse middle class. infact i fantasize about it actually. its not enough to be in a place that is just 'accepting' and 'tolerant'

When i hear that ALOT of foreigners are moving there in Canada and there is a diverse middle class in Toronto. it makes me curious. i like the idea that there is a place where i can go to nice resturants, go out to the movies, with my pretty girlfriend-future wife and hold hands. and not get angry stares. i would like to live in a place like that.

and so i have to give Toronto a chance. once i finally scout out the place for myself, i promise i will return here and do an extended analysis on the city. but i can't now because i haven't been there yet.

and i have to say once agian, i'm not trying to go to toronto to game the women there. i want to possibly settle after scouting the area properly first first and then travel over to eastern europe (ukraine and the safe-integrated parts of russia) and invite my future woman to live with me there in Canada.

[rudebwoy]

HB30 - So how do you propose to find this Russian/FSU wife and what makes you think she will want to move to Toronto?
Don't you think it would be better to live in that region and spend some time knowing the culture/person or are you thinking of mail order bride?

Alot of foreigners are moving to Canada but most of them are Asians (Indian & Chinese) and yes Toronto is diverse but again it does not mean everyone holds hands and sings "kumbaya".

A black man walking with an attractive white woman will still get stares walking in Toronto, this ain't no Utopia and not sure why you think otherwise. The only difference compared to the USA is that no one is going to physically harm you or tie you to a tree.

I think you need to listen to reason, people that live here and people that have left like Moma. Also because of so many of these marriages failing, the Canadian Government has implemented tougher rules for importing foreign brides. I suggest you read the new laws.

[hayesbrandon30]

(05-16-2013 11:04 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

HB30 - So how do you propose to find this Russian/FSU wife and what makes you think she will want to move to Toronto?
Don't you think it would be better to live in that region and spend some time knowing the culture/person or are you thinking of mail order bride?

Alot of foreigners are moving to Canada but most of them are Asians (Indian & Chinese) and yes Toronto is diverse but again it does not mean everyone holds hands and sings "kumbaya".

A black man walking with an attractive white woman will still get stares walking in Toronto, this ain't no Utopia and not sure why you think otherwise. The only difference compared to the USA is that no one is going to physically harm you or tie you to a tree.

I think you need to listen to reason, people that live here and people that have left like Moma. Also because of so many of these marriages failing, the Canadian Government has implemented tougher rules for importing foreign brides. I suggest you read the new laws.

listen to me. please listen. i talk to black people who live in toronto. and its interesting to hear the varying opinions. i've talked to black people both male and female who have the exact opposite opinion you do about toronto who grew up there and still live there and make a decent money too.

and i have talked to black people who feel as you do. also what about Montrealer? what is his view, he lives there. does he feels the same as you?

And i can only conclude that there are other factors that contribute to opinions about racism, how people experience it there, a persons age, personality, looks, life values, life goals, background, a persons economic standing and why certain men do well with women there, fit into the environment, feel comfortable and other men deal with b.s. from women.

There's no doubt that the women there SUCK. and i'm not trying to go there to game women. please let me make that clear. But i can't imagine it being worse than DC. its kinda like on a scale from 1 to 10 of women that suck. DC would get a 9 and toronto would probably get a 6 or 7 i guess.

but that's an opinion .

its interesting to hear the different opinions.

also no offense to you because, i see that you are trying to be helpful but i have to challenge some of your logic. i know africans who live in east europe who are stuggling to feed themselves and dealing with prejudice, and i know about the dysfunctional governments of East europe and skin heads, and pockets of angry blue collar working-class slavic guys who would be happy to beat my ass.

why would i DOWNGRADE to live over there? that doesn't make sense. what kind of advice is that? even some of the ladies i talk to online now tell me that Ukraine is a great place to find a wife but not a great place to live.

but either way, the only way to find out is to go there to toronto, and see for myself and get more opinions. and as for the new laws - i'll make sure i read them, but that's no gonna scare me away or stop me from trying. just because socially awkward idiotic weird men are marrying beautiful scammer women and they end up getting divorced doesn't mean i have to have a pessimistic towards doing what i feel is right for me.

but either way thanks for sharing !

[rudebwoy]

Your "experience" is talking to people and watching you-tube video's.
My experience is from having lived in Europe, been to Eastern Europe many times and dating girls in the region.
As for the skinheads and prejudice in Eastern Europe, never experienced it but trust me you will experience that in Russia/FSU.
I did not suggest for you to live in Ukraine, I was thinking more Prague or Budapest which has loads of International companies. I am not talking about Africans who are illegally in Europe who work in factories or clean toilets, didn't you say that you are an I.T Professional?
Please explain how you are going to meet these women, I need a good laugh.

[Moma]

I smell something beginning with a big T that is covered in purple....

[Vacancier Permanent]

Rudeboy,
Dont waste your time amigo. Some guys are just too thick and won't listen to experienced people so no need to try and reason with them.
Hayes, come move to TO, enjoy the sweet, friendly, feminine and thin women of TO and enjoy living in the greatest place the world has to offer! And when you do move here, make sure to post a data sheet brah!

[DjembaDjemba]

Race troll.

[kosko]

In DC the women who gave me the hardest time were Black!

I couldn't get no love from them and they were not even light handed in shooting me down. My time in DC showed me two worlds: There is the big large black professional scene, and the other scene. Both scenes operate in two separate worlds with thier own venues and locals. I abandonded the "black scene" quick because the girls were showing me zero love. If that was my first taste of DC women I would of screamed but I quickly realized I was no match for the largest crop of successful profesional black men in America. I was gaming with federal lawyers, MDs, and NFL players. Zero chance.

But...I had no issues in gaming local DC women (non-black), for me logistics fucked me over more-so -- but getting interest, make outs, and getting women actively being into me was not hard. IMO It was easy as hell because the competition was so weak -- DC guys are all Rhode Island losers with little flair. They wear ugly Khaki shorts and jogging runners to the bar, and suits that fit poorly.

As crazy as it sounds I might even go back to visit there. The DC central city is nice, well kept, and clean and does not like like a FSU refugee camp like Toronto does. The women yea were kind of bitchy but nowhere near Toronto levels. I get headaches when out here in Toronto and no place else -- it is that frustrating.

My take on DC is that there are to many dorks and nerds present, and few men are actually cool there. Also many professional black men fall into the trap of limiting themsleves to the strictly black scene. The last trap is that the City is rife with modest mediocre women -- but again it's not like DC men are GQ models either -- it was very even as far as couples go. But for a man whom is putting in effort to stand out and be cool I can see how this would get boring as there is little room for upgrading to really attractive women.

In Toronto men more times then not date down which IMO is a even greater sin then simply being with your equals. You've got aristocrat Bay street men whom probably model part time with women whom look no better then wet cats sitting shotgun in their Audis -- this place is truly warped.

For DC black men it's your own choice to stay boxed in to certain scenes. This fake race paranoia keeps people artificially separated. In many instances in DC - out solo - I was the only black person in the bar. I didn't not blink at this, and actually embraced it -- but I suspect many DC black men would maybe feel uncomfy in that setting.

DC men should explore their other scenes. White brothers will kill it branching out into the Black scene where IMO you can find some of the hotest Black female talent in the county, while my DC black brothers should branch of into the more general scenes. You always do better when you stick out.

If your two picky or close minded to like other types of women though - adapt and learn. The one thing that Toronto has taught me is that I love all types of women. As long as they are hot my dick will want to fuck them. The darkest Sri Lankans to the fairest Irish women - been with them all and I could not care less as long as they are sexy and hot.

You know it's fucked when I view DC as an escape from Toronto women! I might be back there in August!

[beta_plus]

@hayesbrandon30

Look into moving to Canada, BUT NOT TORONTO-OCCUPIED-ONTARIO.

Please, Please, Please, look at Calgary and Edmonton first.

[hayesbrandon30]

Quote:

Look into moving to Canada, BUT NOT TORONTO-OCCUPIED-ONTARIO.

Please, Please, Please, look at Calgary and Edmonton first.

solid advice. i'll check it out. what is calgary and edmonton like? is there prosperity there?

Quote:

In DC the women who gave me the hardest time were Black!

I couldn't get no love from them and they were not even light handed in shooting me down. My time in DC showed me two worlds: There is the big large black professional scene, and the other scene. Both scenes operate in two separate worlds with thier own venues and locals. I abandonded the "black scene" quick because the girls were showing me zero love. If that was my first taste of DC women I would of screamed but I quickly realized I was no match for the largest crop of successful profesional black men in America. I was gaming with federal lawyers, MDs, and NFL players. Zero chance.

But...I had no issues in gaming local DC women (non-black), for me logistics fucked me over more-so -- but getting interest, make outs, and getting women actively being into me was not hard. IMO It was easy as hell because the competition was so weak -- DC guys are all Rhode Island losers with little flair. They wear ugly Khaki shorts and jogging runners to the bar, and suits that fit poorly.

As crazy as it sounds I might even go back to visit there. The DC central city is nice, well kept, and clean and does not like like a FSU refugee camp like Toronto does. The women yea were kind of bitchy but nowhere near Toronto levels. I get headaches when out here in Toronto and no place else -- it is that frustrating.

My take on DC is that there are to many dorks and nerds present, and few men are actually cool there. Also many professional black men fall into the trap of limiting themsleves to the strictly black scene. The last trap is that the City is rife with modest mediocre women -- but again it's not like DC men are GQ models either -- it was very even as far as couples go. But for a man whom is putting in effort to stand out and be cool I can see how this would get boring as there is little room for upgrading to really attractive women.

In Toronto men more times then not date down which IMO is a even greater sin then simply being with your equals. You've got aristocrat Bay street men whom probably model part time with women whom look no better then wet cats sitting shotgun in their Audis -- this place is truly warped.

For DC black men it's your own choice to stay boxed in to certain scenes. This fake race paranoia keeps people artificially separated. In many instances in DC - out solo - I was the only black person in the bar. I didn't not blink at this, and actually embraced it -- but I suspect many DC black men would maybe feel uncomfy in that setting.

DC men should explore their other scenes. White brothers will kill it branching out into the Black scene where IMO you can find some of the hotest Black female talent in the county, while my DC black brothers should branch of into the more general scenes. You always do better when you stick out.

If your two picky or close minded to like other types of women though - adapt and learn. The one thing that Toronto has taught me is that I love all types of women. As long as they are hot my dick will want to fuck them. The darkest Sri Lankans to the fairest Irish women - been with them all and I could not care less as long as they are sexy and hot.

You know it's fucked when I view DC as an escape from Toronto women! I might be back there in August!

good analysis. that's pretty much what the deal is here in DC. i go to an hbcu - howard university located here in dc. and these awful elitist professional women who gave u a hard time probably graduated from howard.

those professional black women are 70% single, so where does their beauty and elitism get them? no where. and so then they become angry women who spite men like myself who try to explore other options and explore the 2nd dating scene you describe. unfortunately those women unite together in their anger and become like their own mafia. and they try to use whatever power they have to make men like me suffer. somtimes thier hostility is overt and sometimes its very subtle and you can't see it. and all i know is i cannot fight against a whole population/sub-culture of angry women and other types of jealous men who aim to team me down.

many black men are scared to venture outside of the box because of the fear of the social backlash. some of their fear is valid too. for some people dating outside of their race here in DC is not a good career move. DC is a very political environment too.

which is why posted the video i shared earlier of the resturant scenes. it can be like that.

but the reality is - its all about gathering information. when i finally visit canada, i'll go to all the suggested places and not only toronto. and once again. the reason why so many of you guys hate toronto is because of the women. right?

i must say again. i am not going there to game the women. if i was you would have every right to bash me

there is a diverse middle there. there is prosperity there, the primary language is english there, is toronto a perfect racial utopia that people try to promote it to be? ofcourse not. no place is perfect. but the way kosko described DC is pretty much on target. and to be honest there are certain types of bullshit i aim to distance myself from and i have a feeling that i can be blocked from the B.s.- i think Sus can understand where i'm coming from because he knows what its like.

@rudeboy and @vacanier permanent. i know that you mean well - and when i visit your town and talk to more people - i'll observe closely and look for all the dysfunction you describe. okay? and if the reality matches what you are telling me now, then you can feel good about being correct, okay? does that make you happy? so once again, thanks for sharing.

i know about budapest and prague, and companies that have presence there and it doesn't seem like a place i would want to live in. i would love to meet women there, but to live permanently. i think not.

[beta_plus]

(05-16-2013 09:29 PM)beta_plus Wrote:  

@hayesbrandon30

Look into moving to Canada, BUT NOT TORONTO-OCCUPIED-ONTARIO.

Please, Please, Please, look at Calgary and Edmonton first.

Oh yeah, if kids are the goal, they'll never get any ice time in Toronto. In Canada, that's kind of a big deal if you're a boy.

The main reason blacks have a hard time getting into the NHL is not because of racism it's because blacks insist on immigrating only to Toronto, where paying for your kid to play hockey costs a fortune.

[rudebwoy]

Beta_plus - Dude I am sorry but I have to call you out. Calgary and Edmonton might be alright for making money in the oil industry but they are not in the same league as Toronto. How are the winters?
Calgary is basically a cowboy town and my black friends have given it mixed reviews, Edmonton pretty much the same thing but I will say the women get much better reviews that Tdot. Oh I forgot, the OP is not coming here for the women but to bring a Russian bride that he is recruiting on skype.
As for the comment about Hockey, I have a few friends that played minor league hockey and the Racism was pretty bad.
Did you not hear about that idiot that threw the banana skin at a player last year.

[hayesbrandon30]

(05-16-2013 10:19 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

Beta_plus - Dude I am sorry but I have to call you out. Calgary and Edmonton might be alright for making money in the oil industry but they are not in the same league as Toronto. How are the winters?
Calgary is basically a cowboy town and my black friends have given it mixed reviews, Edmonton pretty much the same thing but I will say the women get much better reviews that Tdot. Oh I forgot, the OP is not coming here for the women but to bring a Russian bride that he is recruiting on skype.
As for the comment about Hockey, I have a few friends that played minor league hockey and the Racism was pretty bad.
Did you not hear about that idiot that threw the banana skin at a player last year.

hey i know you actually in your heart you mean well, because we both the same race but no need for the insults. at the end of the day we all want the samething. right? we want happiness. your insults don't reflect my reality, you don't know me at all and i don't have to explain in detail what my plan is, how i'm connecting to women and how i plan to meet FSU women, what i plan to do. i don't have to justify myself because i believe in myself and to be quite honest, i look foward to proving you wrong actually and showing i can make things work for myself. i really do.

but i love to have the sarcastic pessimistic - "hater" point of view along with the constructive criticism and the positive encouraging advice too. thanks man. i like to hear all perspectives.

good luck with your desire to move back to your homeland. i hope your find a good woman too like i plan to. peace out brother!

[More and more]

(05-16-2013 10:07 PM)hayesbrandon30 Wrote:  

Quote:

Look into moving to Canada, BUT NOT TORONTO-OCCUPIED-ONTARIO.

Please, Please, Please, look at Calgary and Edmonton first.

solid advice. i'll check it out. what is calgary and edmonton like? is there prosperity there?

Quote:

In DC the women who gave me the hardest time were Black!

I couldn't get no love from them and they were not even light handed in shooting me down. My time in DC showed me two worlds: There is the big large black professional scene, and the other scene. Both scenes operate in two separate worlds with thier own venues and locals. I abandonded the "black scene" quick because the girls were showing me zero love. If that was my first taste of DC women I would of screamed but I quickly realized I was no match for the largest crop of successful profesional black men in America. I was gaming with federal lawyers, MDs, and NFL players. Zero chance.

But...I had no issues in gaming local DC women (non-black), for me logistics fucked me over more-so -- but getting interest, make outs, and getting women actively being into me was not hard. IMO It was easy as hell because the competition was so weak -- DC guys are all Rhode Island losers with little flair. They wear ugly Khaki shorts and jogging runners to the bar, and suits that fit poorly.

As crazy as it sounds I might even go back to visit there. The DC central city is nice, well kept, and clean and does not like like a FSU refugee camp like Toronto does. The women yea were kind of bitchy but nowhere near Toronto levels. I get headaches when out here in Toronto and no place else -- it is that frustrating.

My take on DC is that there are to many dorks and nerds present, and few men are actually cool there. Also many professional black men fall into the trap of limiting themsleves to the strictly black scene. The last trap is that the City is rife with modest mediocre women -- but again it's not like DC men are GQ models either -- it was very even as far as couples go. But for a man whom is putting in effort to stand out and be cool I can see how this would get boring as there is little room for upgrading to really attractive women.

In Toronto men more times then not date down which IMO is a even greater sin then simply being with your equals. You've got aristocrat Bay street men whom probably model part time with women whom look no better then wet cats sitting shotgun in their Audis -- this place is truly warped.

For DC black men it's your own choice to stay boxed in to certain scenes. This fake race paranoia keeps people artificially separated. In many instances in DC - out solo - I was the only black person in the bar. I didn't not blink at this, and actually embraced it -- but I suspect many DC black men would maybe feel uncomfy in that setting.

DC men should explore their other scenes. White brothers will kill it branching out into the Black scene where IMO you can find some of the hotest Black female talent in the county, while my DC black brothers should branch of into the more general scenes. You always do better when you stick out.

If your two picky or close minded to like other types of women though - adapt and learn. The one thing that Toronto has taught me is that I love all types of women. As long as they are hot my dick will want to fuck them. The darkest Sri Lankans to the fairest Irish women - been with them all and I could not care less as long as they are sexy and hot.

You know it's fucked when I view DC as an escape from Toronto women! I might be back there in August!

good analysis. that's pretty much what the deal is here in DC. i go to an hbcu - howard university located here in dc. and these awful elitist professional women who gave u a hard time probably graduated from howard.

those professional black women are 70% single, so where does their beauty and elitism get them? no where. and so then they become angry women who spite men like myself who try to explore other options and explore the 2nd dating scene you describe. unfortunately those women unite together in their anger and become like their own mafia. and they try to use whatever power they have to make men like me suffer. somtimes thier hostility is overt and sometimes its very subtle and you can't see it. and all i know is i cannot fight against a whole population/sub-culture of angry women and other types of jealous men who aim to team me down.

many black men are scared to venture outside of the box because of the fear of the social backlash. some of their fear is valid too. for some people dating outside of their race here in DC is not a good career move. DC is a very political environment too.

which is why posted the video i shared earlier of the resturant scenes. it can be like that.

but the reality is - its all about gathering information. when i finally visit canada, i'll go to all the suggested places and not only toronto. and once again. the reason why so many of you guys hate toronto is because of the women. right?

i must say again. i am not going there to game the women. if i was you would have every right to bash me

there is a diverse middle there. there is prosperity there, the primary language is english there, is toronto a perfect racial utopia that people try to promote it to be? ofcourse not. no place is perfect. but the way kosko described DC is pretty much on target. and to be honest there are certain types of bullshit i aim to distance myself from and i have a feeling that i can be blocked from the B.s.- i think Sus can understand where i'm coming from because he knows what its like.

@rudeboy and @vacanier permanent. i know that you mean well - and when i visit your town and talk to more people - i'll observe closely and look for all the dysfunction you describe. okay? and if the reality matches what you are telling me now, then you can feel good about being correct, okay? does that make you happy? so once again, thanks for sharing.

i know about budapest and prague, and companies that have presence there and it doesn't seem like a place i would want to live in. i would love to meet women there, but to live permanently. i think not.

Never been, but it sounds like you are saying that black women in D.C. frown on IR dating primarily because its a hindrance to their exercise of power over black men. Is that what you are saying?

[beta_plus]

@rudeboy Look, I'm sorry but you're going to encounter racism wherever you go. It's just a matter of degrees. I'm not going to claim it's fair or right, but it will happen no matter how much you don't like it. Especially in sports.

Is there racism in the NHL? Yes. But is there racism in the NFL, NBA, MLB, and Professional Soccer? - yep, there's plenty.

The biggest obstacle to his theoretical future son is not going to be an angry fan or annoying opponent calling him a nigger (sorry, I'm not going to use the n-word here, because let's be honest, that's what they would say), it's getting time on the ice so he can get the practice to humiliate that jerk. Which costs a fortune in Toronto. I can not tell you how many of my T-O-O friends complain about that.

Also, you've got to keep in mind the cost of living. You can still have some hope of buying affordable housing in Alberta. That's a fantasy in T-O-O. If housing is affordable in Ontario, that means that there are no jobs there.

My point, thought I may not have made it well, was whether you are looking to swoop chicks or start a family, T-O-O is a bad deal and racial tolerance is fairly wide spread in Canada (but far from perfect - then again doesn't Calgary have a gay Indian as mayor?). So why on earth torture yourself?

It didn't used to be a bad deal if you wanted to start a family in T-O-O and could pull in a higher than average salary. But those days are gone.

[scotian]

(05-16-2013 10:59 PM)beta_plus Wrote:  

@rudeboy Look, I'm sorry but you're going to encounter racism wherever you go. It's just a matter of degrees. I'm not going to claim it's fair or right, but it will happen no matter how much you don't like it. Especially in sports.

Is there racism in the NHL? Yes. But is there racism in the NFL, NBA, MLB, and Professional Soccer? - yep, there's plenty.

The biggest obstacle to his theoretical future son is not going to be an angry fan or annoying opponent calling him a nigger (sorry, I'm not going to use the n-word here, because let's be honest, that's what they would say), it's getting time on the ice so he can get the practice to humiliate that jerk. Which costs a fortune in Toronto. I can not tell you how many of my T-O-O friends complain about that.

Also, you've got to keep in mind the cost of living. You can still have some hope of buying affordable housing in Alberta. That's a fantasy in T-O-O. If housing is affordable in Ontario, that means that there are no jobs there.

My point, thought I may not have made it well, was whether you are looking to swoop chicks or start a family, T-O-O is a bad deal and racial tolerance is fairly wide spread in Canada (but far from perfect - then again doesn't Calgary have a gay Indian as mayor?). So why on earth torture yourself?

It didn't used to be a bad deal if you wanted to start a family in T-O-O and could pull in a higher than average salary. But those days are gone.

Rumor has it that Toronto's mayor, the big fat Rob Ford, likes to smoke crack, kind of like the former mayor of Washington DC, Marion Barry, who also had a rock habit.

What is it wit Tdot and DC that drives the mayors to the C-pipe? Is it the feminists, lack of pussy? I'd probably be a crack head too if I had to live in either city haha.

[hayesbrandon30]

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Never been, but it sounds like you are saying that black women in D.C. frown on IR dating primarily because its a hindrance to their exercise of power over black men. Is that what you are saying?

yes. google this topic as well as look at youtube videos. there's too much information on this topic. its no secret anymore.

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Rumor has it that Toronto's mayor, the big fat Rob Ford, likes to smoke crack, kind of like the former mayor of Washington DC, Marion Barry, who also had a rock habit.

What is it wit Tdot and DC that drives the mayors to the C-pipe? Is it the feminists, lack of pussy? I'd probably be a crack head too if I had to live in either city haha.

funny joke!

wow. i'm really go keep my eyes open when i come thru toronto. i will make sure i talk to all types of people male & female. i really will. i'm gonna really search for this dysfunction you guys describe. i'm gonna take pictures and really try to experience this hellhole called toronto as see how it compares to DC. but anyways thanks for all the information.

alot of information is better than no information.

[rudebwoy]

Another BS thread, I tried to give an honest opinion but some people don't want to hear the truth. If you are convinced Toronto is the place for you why do you need to start this thread! Others who live here have stated similar views about the City but you are not convinced, calling me a "hater" of all things. Laughable to say the least, I and others shake my head at your ignorance. Roosh himself stated many reasons apart from the women why this place sucks.
Travel first to Russia/FSU and live life, then we can have a proper conversation. You-tube and talking to people does not cut it my friend.

Beta_Plus - I was calling you out about Blacks not making it in the NHL because of other reasons other than Racism. Yes, I am well aware there is racism in sports, so thanks for pointing that out for me. (Sarcasm).
For anybody else reading this, I don't care about racism.
I will agree that Edmonton and Calgary have much better job prospects, but I could not see myself living there for many reasons.