[RawGod]

(04-26-2013 11:20 AM)cardguy Wrote:  

Everybody in the world thought Saddam Hussein had WMD. The reason was because Saddam was trying to convince the world he had WMD.

Bullshit. I always knew that Iraq was no threat whether from WMDs or green cheese attacks, along with loads of other people who were skeptical and read the alternative internet media at that time. The truth was hidden in plain sight, as it usually is.

[polymath]

Your taste for someone's personality has no bearing on how intelligent he is.

GWB would not have made it to Yale, let alone the presidency, if he were not a Bush.

And as a sidenote, anyone who puts the financial crisis on the shoulders of a single person, Democrat or Republican, is blowing smoke.

[cardguy]

You are right. I phrased that poorly.

But here is the thing. At the time - people either believed Hussein had WMD. Or they believed the US and UK were lying about Hussein having WMD.

When the truth was that - Hussein was successfully lying to the West about WMD. In order to keep his country safe from Iran.

At the time. I heard zero people say that Hussein was strategically bluffing (by repetedly kicking out the weapons inspectros) in order to protect himself from Iran.

It was always - Hussein is a threat. Or Bush is lying. When the truth was probably neither...

[qazwsx]

Although I think he was a mediocre leader and politician (like most ones in our times), I got the same idea that he was smarter than I thought when I read this:

http://theamericanscholar.org/dubya-and-me/

[renotime]

(04-26-2013 11:24 AM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

I spent years with boots on ground over there. Keeping believing what you see on t.v.

Did you find anything that lead you to believe there were WMDs?

[bacon]

Did he make a freudian slip here?

[Aliblahba]

(04-26-2013 02:14 PM)renotime Wrote:  

(04-26-2013 11:24 AM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

I spent years with boots on ground over there. Keeping believing what you see on t.v.

Did you find anything that lead you to believe there were WMDs?

That's classified. There's a reason the general public isn't privy to certain information. That's why you are spoonfed what you can handle on CNN. No reason in spooking the heard.

[Teedub]

(04-26-2013 11:52 AM)MidWest Wrote:  

Say what you want about Bush, but the guy was a total boss when it came to debates. Here he is destroying Kerry on the issue of Iraq.

That was excellent actually, and it changed some of my opinions. I'm tempted to share it on FB, but I can't be arsed dealing with the hate I'd get. It's cool and liberal orthodoxy to hate Bush, and I guess I was duped partially. I was 16 when Iraq was invaded, so obviously I only got a left wing viewpoint from school.

[TheRookie]

(04-26-2013 11:14 AM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

(04-26-2013 09:29 AM)Teedub Wrote:  

(04-26-2013 09:21 AM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

(04-26-2013 09:08 AM)Caligula Wrote:  

His presidency was a disaster in many ways and sent his party on the desert walk it's on today

Examples?

Lying about the WMD's with good ol' Tony wasn't the brightest of ideas.

Clinton stated in an interview be believed Iraq had WMD's. And they did. Now they are in Syria.

I have a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn.

[TheRookie]

(04-26-2013 04:29 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

(04-26-2013 02:14 PM)renotime Wrote:  

(04-26-2013 11:24 AM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

I spent years with boots on ground over there. Keeping believing what you see on t.v.

Did you find anything that lead you to believe there were WMDs?

That's classified. There's a reason the general public isn't privy to certain information. That's why you are spoonfed what you can handle on CNN. No reason in spooking the heard.

Dude don't start a dick measuring contest and then say "it's classified." This is the internet, no one here has any reason to know if you are bullshitting or not.

So according to your classified information, are all these CIA and other officials coming forward just opiate for us masses?

[kosko]

Only two countries actively use chemical weapons in today's time. Evreybody else is to spooked too because you'll get sanction'd back to the stone age if you do.

Take a wild guess which two counties they are;

Here are two hints:


Here is a scene from the Fallujah during the Iraq War:



Here is a scene from Gaza:

[Wutang]

I've seen speculation that Bush intentionally spoke in a incoherent and uneducated manner as a tactic - as a way to make himself seem more as your next door neighbor who you can talk football with in order to appeal to the average working or middle class guy. Remember how during his campaign against Kerry they kept emphasizing that Kerry was some elite, snobby New Englander type while he was just one of the good 'ol boys.

[kosko]

(04-26-2013 05:16 PM)Wutang Wrote:  

I've seen speculation that Bush intentionally spoke in a incoherent and uneducated manner as a tactic - as a way to make himself seem more as your next door neighbour who you can talk football with in order to appeal to the average working or middle class guy. Remember how during his campaign against Kerry they kept emphasizing that Kerry was some elite, snobby New Englander type while he was just one of the good 'ol boys.

It was a tactic but he was a "real guy" well as real as a gilded 1% Ivy league guy from a Texas family dynasty could be but still you get my point.

I call him a silver spoon Alpha:

^Real men throw baseballs like that.

^ Obama has dorky mannerisms I always thought his "cool" façade he puts off publicly is kinda fake. Dude is a strait up nerd.

Nobody says Alphas make good executives, that's actually meant for sociopaths but for the role of President you can skate by on it. You really don't do much when you get up there your job is to break deals, frame things publicly and that's it. You know everything when you have that job but then you also know nothing.

[renotime]

(04-26-2013 04:29 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

(04-26-2013 02:14 PM)renotime Wrote:  

(04-26-2013 11:24 AM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

I spent years with boots on ground over there. Keeping believing what you see on t.v.

Did you find anything that lead you to believe there were WMDs?

That's classified. There's a reason the general public isn't privy to certain information. That's why you are spoonfed what you can handle on CNN. No reason in spooking the heard.

Haha ok.

So we invaded Iraq based on the belief that were weapons of mass destruction, right?

And then you insinuate that at some point WMDs were found after the invasion, but they were moved to Syria in some back room deal?

I have to think the administration would have been all over that, b/c they would have been totally vindicated.

[Aliblahba]

(04-26-2013 05:08 PM)kosko Wrote:  

Only two countries actively use chemical weapons in today's time. Evreybody else is to spooked too because you'll get sanction'd back to the stone age if you do.

Take a wild guess which two counties they are;

Here are two hints:


Here is a scene from the Fallujah during the Iraq War:



Here is a scene from Gaza:

And what chemical would that be?


And the rest of you all riddle me this. How come Bush's approval rating is the same as Obama's right now?


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-...heres-how/

[worldwidetraveler]

(04-26-2013 06:02 PM)renotime Wrote:  

Haha ok.

So we invaded Iraq based on the belief that were weapons of mass destruction, right?

And then you insinuate that at some point WMDs were found after the invasion, but they were moved to Syria in some back room deal?

I have to think the administration would have been all over that, b/c they would have been totally vindicated.

Yeah, I am not following the logic of going to war because of WMD but keeping whether WMD was there or not classified.

Ali, you got some xplaining to do.

[renotime]

I thought you didn't like being spoon fed by the news outlets, Ali?

I don't like either one of them, really.

Obama has doubled down on operations in the Middle East, which is a strong contradiction to his campaign of bringing the boys home before he got elected.

[Aliblahba]

(04-26-2013 06:12 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

(04-26-2013 06:02 PM)renotime Wrote:  

Haha ok.

So we invaded Iraq based on the belief that were weapons of mass destruction, right?

And then you insinuate that at some point WMDs were found after the invasion, but they were moved to Syria in some back room deal?

I have to think the administration would have been all over that, b/c they would have been totally vindicated.

Yeah, I am not following the logic of going to war because of WMD but keeping whether WMD was there or not classified.

Ali, you got some xplaining to do.

What are you going to do if I don't? Waterboard me?

[kosko]

(04-26-2013 06:04 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

(04-26-2013 05:08 PM)kosko Wrote:  

Only two countries actively use chemical weapons in today's time. Evreybody else is to spooked too because you'll get sanction'd back to the stone age if you do.

Take a wild guess which two counties they are;

Here are two hints:


Here is a scene from the Fallujah during the Iraq War:



Here is a scene from Gaza:

And what chemical would that be?

White Phosphorus

It being "illegal" is stuck in legal and paper jargon but the shit is a chemical weapon that burns your insides, skin and kills you. The old meme of illumination is bullshit as USA and Israeli military have been busted busting the cluster bombs in daylight over populated areas when its only supposed to be used at night for such illumination purposes.

[Jaydublin]

(04-26-2013 11:24 AM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

I spent years with boots on ground over there. Keeping believing what you see on t.v.

your not the only one who has ever been over there and had access to intel lol

[Aliblahba]

Phosphorus is an element, not a chemical.

[worldwidetraveler]

(04-26-2013 06:18 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

What are you going to do if I don't? Waterboard me?

Ha! Now I know you don't have high security clearance. Waterboarding is so yesterday.

We do fat boarding now.

[kosko]

(04-26-2013 06:39 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

Phosphorus is an element, not a chemical.

So is Uranium what's your point.

[Aliblahba]

(04-26-2013 06:53 PM)kosko Wrote:  

(04-26-2013 06:39 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

Phosphorus is an element, not a chemical.

So is Uranium what's your point.

You stated only two countries were using chemical weapons. What does phosphorus have to do with that?

[Aliblahba]

(04-26-2013 06:39 PM)Jaydublin Wrote:  

(04-26-2013 11:24 AM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

I spent years with boots on ground over there. Keeping believing what you see on t.v.

your not the only one who has ever been over there and had access to intel lol

Never said I had access to anything. And if I did I wouldn't blare it on a public forum.