[RShack]

So, last night I number closed a stripper. I've had a stripper fuck buddy before, but I was fucking that girl for almost a year before she slid down her first pole. So, anyway, this is my first headway with a stripper, so it's exciting.

I'm also concerned because everything I did was in violation of the conventional PUA wisdom out there, so whatever ground I've gained may not be secure.

Basically, we went to a couple of bars last night with the goal of mostly getting drunk and raising hell like in the good old days. My buddy and I were too drunk to sarge effectively, but still managed to dance with several girls and get warm receptions from a few more sets.

After the bars, we got a taxi to a full-nude strip club we've never been to before on the west side of Los Angeles. We set towards the back.

The second or third stripper to approach me finally convinced my drunk horny ass to buy a private dance. I didn't really say anything to the stripper that was any different from what she hears from guys all the time, so I don't know how I sparked her sexual interest, but apparently I did. When we got back to the private area, she jumped me and we went at like we were trying to fuck, not get a dance.

She was making out with me, pulled my dick out and started rubbing it. Despite my drunkenness, I came in 90 seconds. I had already paid for a 30 minute session. For most of the rest of the time, we just made out. Did a little bit of talking, but don't even remember most of it. I just remember her saying, "If you hadn't already come, I'd be fucking the shit out of you right now."

On her own initiative, she suggested I take down her number and call her this Monday. I gave her my number too. She said the "separates business from pleasure" and our interaction would be "pleasure." (In other words, no charge.) She also said her cell phone plan doesn't include text messaging, is a relevant tid bit.

At the end of my dance, I stupidly try to tip her, but she declines the tip saying "You can just buy me a drink next time we hang out.

This afternoon, I missed a call from her saying, "Hey, it's _______. I just saw that I got a text message and I wanted to make sure to remind you I don't have text messaging in case it was from you. Call me later Baby"

So, I guess the plan is to call her on Monday.

Her cell phone number is a 310 area code, which is West Los Angeles, same area I live and where the club is.

How should I handle it? Invite her to drinks at a bar near my house then take her back to fuck? Just invite her straight to my house and get right to the fucking? Do I even want her knowing where I live? Even though my lease is up in few months and I'm probably moving, I still feel weird.

Any advice appreciated.

BTW: I'm 6'2'' with striking facial features, but also a scrawny 175 lb frame. I'm about a 7 or 8.

[Giovonny]

She doesn't want your money because she doesn't want you to be a costumer. You are just a guy she likes. Call her and just say "Lets hang out". You should have no problems as long as you dont annoy her.

[dlmelvin86]

dude, she wants to fuck if thats an accurate description of events.

mark this up as a sure lay.....

call her and the rest will take care of itself

[BaronStanley]

yea, just call her. Hang out with her. Fuck her. Use a condom.

You are over thinking this whole thing.

[Kona]

It sounds like you got it, but there's a few things you may want to watch out for.

You say you were drunk, and there are things you don't remember. It stands to reason, there could be other important details you forget.

How much did you pay for the 30 minutes??? In my experience, once girls get money out of a guy, they no longer see you as a potential lay, but a dollar sign. The only time I've ever paid girls for the private dances is after I've had sex with them. In that case I'm usually paying another girl to give the girl I've swooped and I a dance. It's a great way to set up 3ways, and it's just fun. She told you that if you hadn't came she'd be banging you, well if you paid $200 for that 30 minutes, she's probably right. Let's hope she isn't after you for more easy money.

Another red flag I see, knowing what I know about dancers, I can't believe there is one that doesn't have text messaging. Especially one near Los Angeles? I hope she's not telling you no texts because her "daddy" controls her phone. It's the pimp running the hustle, not the girl perpetrating it, that you need to watch out for.

If I were you, I'd meet her at a bar first and feel things out. Try to watch how she gets there, transportation wise. If some dude drops her off, get the hell out. If she's in a cab, watch how long her and the driver talk before she gets out. You also want to get her drinking and smoking weed. Make sure to drink less than her. When girls are hustling their managers want them to stay sober, plus if she's willing to hang out and chill with you without time restrictions, there's far less of a chance she's working.

I never go to dancer's houses, there's too many variables. Get her to yours, where you can control things better. If a stranger knocks on the door, don't open it.

Use prepaid cell phones.

Aloha!

[RShack]

Update: I've now missed two calls from her. The first one I mentioned in the initial post. The other was around 1:30 this afternoon. On the voicemail, she just said, "Hey, It's ______. Just trying to get in touch. Call me later, bye." She sounded a little frustrated actually, which was slightly concerning.

I've been drunk today since noon. A few hours after her missed call, I called back and got the voicemail. I said, "Hey, it's RShack. I thought you were busy til Monday. Anyway, I'm just hanging out today; I'll be between my house, the beach and another house party. Give me a call if you're around, otherwise I'll talk to you tomorrow."

That was about an hour ago. No reply yet.

I still wonder whether I should take her out to drinks before I try to fuck her and if I should try to fuck her at her place, my place, or a hotel. Any advice? Also, I'm thinking I need to work hard to stay as alpha as possible, especially given my unorthodox "pickup."

So, I'm back at my house for the time and will be out in Venice and Santa Monica the rest of the day. I'll hope for the best and keep you all abreast.

[RShack]

(07-04-2010 06:32 PM)Kona Wrote:  

It sounds like you got it, but there's a few things you may want to watch out for.

You say you were drunk, and there are things you don't remember. It stands to reason, there could be other important details you forget.

How much did you pay for the 30 minutes??? In my experience, once girls get money out of a guy, they no longer see you as a potential lay, but a dollar sign. The only time I've ever paid girls for the private dances is after I've had sex with them. In that case I'm usually paying another girl to give the girl I've swooped and I a dance. It's a great way to set up 3ways, and it's just fun. She told you that if you hadn't came she'd be banging you, well if you paid $200 for that 30 minutes, she's probably right. Let's hope she isn't after you for more easy money.

Another red flag I see, knowing what I know about dancers, I can't believe there is one that doesn't have text messaging. Especially one near Los Angeles? I hope she's not telling you no texts because her "daddy" controls her phone. It's the pimp running the hustle, not the girl perpetrating it, that you need to watch out for.

If I were you, I'd meet her at a bar first and feel things out. Try to watch how she gets there, transportation wise. If some dude drops her off, get the hell out. If she's in a cab, watch how long her and the driver talk before she gets out. You also want to get her drinking and smoking weed. Make sure to drink less than her. When girls are hustling their managers want them to stay sober, plus if she's willing to hang out and chill with you without time restrictions, there's far less of a chance she's working.

I never go to dancer's houses, there's too many variables. Get her to yours, where you can control things better. If a stranger knocks on the door, don't open it.

Use prepaid cell phones.

Aloha!

Good advice. I was out a ton of cash for the dances, about $400. I really do make a pretty good amount of money and I would have authentically acted like that's not a lot to me, which could raise a red flag. I don't know.

She was quite unambiguous that our future encounters would be non-commercial, but that could of course be her game.

I'll follow your advice about the venues I think and take it from there. Hopefully I'll have good news within 24-48 hours.

[Kona]

(07-04-2010 06:45 PM)RShack Wrote:  

I was out a ton of cash for the dances, about $400.

She may very well be a pro. That does not mean you can't swoop her for free. I know tons of girls that fuck their high dollar regulars. It's the economy. She or her pimp might assume it's better to throw a freebie out there to ensure you'll come back and drop another $400 again in a few days.

Good luck, and be careful.

Aloha!

[RShack]

Update: Called her back yesterday in the early afternoon. Said she was running out the door soon and had to work starting at 8:00. She said she'd call later in the week.

Yesterday was the day we tentatively scheduled "on the couch" as it were, so this flake is a little concerning.

Handling a flakey girl in this situation could be very complicated. I can't disappear or I'll be forgotton, but I don't want to appear how I really feel here, which is basically: , which can smell like beta-neediness

[K-man]

A pro, I think. Or semi-pro. Sees a guy willing to drop $400 for 30 minutes of grinding, figures why not milk him - if not for cash, then perhaps for expensive dinners, gifts, whatever. Some schmoes even buy girls cars, forgodssake.
Be careful.

[playa_with_a_passport]

If I was a stripper and some trick gave me $400 bucks for what amounted to basically an handjob, i would be calling you non stop too. She's just stringing you along so she can take you for all you got. Just charge the stripper to the Game and read G Manifesto strip clud guide next time.

[RShack]

(07-07-2010 12:51 AM)K-man Wrote:  

A pro, I think. Or semi-pro. Sees a guy willing to drop $400 for 30 minutes of grinding, figures why not milk him - if not for cash, then perhaps for expensive dinners, gifts, whatever. Some schmoes even buy girls cars, forgodssake.
Be careful.

Yeah, but I'm also 24 years old and look/dress like a college kid. I don't think she sees me as a goldmine.

I do see the risk here though, it's just not as if I give off the sugar daddy vibe so I think the risk is a little lower in my case.

We'll see. Communication is still in limbo.

[MiXX]

(07-07-2010 12:51 AM)K-man Wrote:  

Some schmoes even buy girls cars, forgodssake.
Be careful.

I knew a guy who bought a car for his female salsa dance instructor!! A lexus as a matter of fact...what an idiot!!

Rumor is, he fell in love with her, bought her a car, and then as soon as she got the tittle, quit her job at the dance school, and did not even inform the guy as he came looking for her in the middle of a class days later.....crazy.

Some fools really think that buying women expensive gifts will guarantee them love and sex...jeesh - where the fuck do these guys get this shit from?

I don't even think they had sex, as it was against school policy to date students, and the school was very strict about it!

Mixx

[clr]

honestly I have spent my time at clubs NOT as the customer, I thought it was cool to pick up a stripper, I wrote many articles on how to do it on a PUA forum, but the truth of it is, ITS NOT FUCKING WORTH IT!!!! Stay away, my friend owns 2 strip clubs.

Strippers are mostly lesbian or man haters, they are almost all druggies with loads of emotional baggage. Honestly your story sounds fake from all my experience with strippers, assuming its real, take Kona's advice, there is something up, that shit doesnt happen.

There is only 2 types of strippers that are ok to date, its the 1 that either gets in and gets out quickly, or the one that COMPLETELY separates her life from the club and just uses it to make money (ie the smart ones). They all end up fucked in the head in the end unless they completely stay out of the whole lifestyle.

I could go on and on, but its just not worth it, keep the strippers in the club, its a fantasy they create and thats all it should be. Watch your back and your wallet.

[Giovonny]

One of my stripper ex's is now smoking crystal meth. If she doesn't get off this shit she will probably destroy her life. She is 22 and dropped out of college to dance.

I should have told her to not get involved in that kind of lifestyle. Too many risks and you need to very very disiplined and mentally tough to make your money and get out.

My point is this...Sometimes being the Alpha male is not about banging all the chicks. Sometimes the Alpha male has to defend and protect his tribe. I could totally exploit this girl, probably have her do porn, or whatever I wanted.


But I'm going to try and help her get her life back together. I think that is the Alpha thing to do. I could fuck her and abandon her out in these mean streets, but that seems like the pussy thing to do.

[Moma]

When I first moved to NA, I was totally unfamiliar with the stripper culture. We don't do that across the ponds as a norm. Strip clubs there are expensive and the women in there are usually on some real drugs and look scaggy as fcuk.

So when I came here and one dude I knew who used to live in the States introduced me to the concept, it seemed foreign and weird.

I strung along though.

We went to a club in Ajax and I saw a nice strip ho in there. I didn't know the rules, being a grimy cat from Europe and I put my hand straight on her juicy thonged up ass.

She didn't remove it and smiled at me saying "You enjoy touching that, don't you?"

I conceded that I did.

We went for a dance (20 bux).

I was sucking her tiddies and I tried to finger her twice but she brushed my hand away. I nearly spurted in my trousers, that's how much of a rager I had for her.

Finally the dance was over and I said bye to her.

I thought about calling her but I couldn't fathom what angle I would have over one of the many other tricks out there that would make her want to fcuk me.

The only thing I ever leverage is my travels and wit. I refuse to leverage money and I didn't/don't drive so in terms of logistics, it makes it awkward for these women.

This is why I constantly harp on the fact that we all pay in some way for these hoes.

Anyway, fcuk the stripper, Rshack, but keep your wallet on standby.

To me, 400 is a lot. I'd pay a pro to fcuk for less. A handjob, a blowjob, or any sort of female companionship that has sexual overtones (or undertones) carries equal moral value.

[DanDeLaCruz]

Sounds like she was diggin you. Go out with her and see what happens. If she starts bringing up money you know it was all BS... But it does sound like she had an open slot for a booty call, and you seemed to have drunkenly slipped into that slot... So just treat the situation for what it is... maybe a couple drinks, some bar time and back to the hotel. Don't bring her back to your place, and don't go to hers either...

She could either genuinely be into you or she could be playing it cool trying to get you to like her, and later spring up some BS on you... either way just play along with it and make sure you lay the pipe!

[Gmac]

Strippers are trouble man. Fuck her once or twice and be done with it, don't get sucked in.

[babelfish669]

Strippers, with substance abuse problems, are trouble but manageable. I dated one for a year and a half who was a total wreck. You just need to put them in their place and its all gain and no pain

I'm not sure about third world countries, but in the US $400 doesn't make you a sugar daddy.

Here are a few tips from experience for your particular situation:

-Don't act like its a big deal, it isn't;
-Never go back to that stripclub again or meet her there (exceptions to this exist)
-Meet her in the evening/night and if you keep your cool you can bang her no problem

Sometimes the girl will sober up and then be real flaky. In my experience then they will ignore you, which this one isn't doing.

My better experiences are actually with girls who gave me their number, completely flaked, and then I bumped back in to at the same club either a day or two or months later (in my business no one seems to get enough of strippers and strip clubs so it happens a lot.)

I don't see anything wrong with dating strippers. If you avoid the repulsive monsters they tend to have good tit jobs and take care of themselves (preferably by waxing.) They squat doing lap dances 7 hours a night so tend to be in fair shape. When you fuck them they don't lay there like a sack of potatoes. Since they party hard a few nights a week you don't really have to do a whole lot to keep them entertained other than smile and rub their back.

Here is what you don't do -- you don't bring them to hang out with your friends and family, you don't introduce them to your friends and family. You don't let them camp out at your place. If you let them in to the parts of your life with other people they will embarrass the hell out of you whenever possible.

All strippers are definitely not the same. If the girl isn't from the US but is working while on a student visa just throw out everything I said.

[rudebwoy]

Dude she sees you as a mark. The written rule is NEVER get dances, you are seen as a customer afterwards.

Also forget what you think of yourself, she sees you as a young buck who can blow big money in a short amount of time.

You also went into the joint drunk, blew your load and your money. What else is left, there is no mystery now!!

[Brian]

whatever happened w/the chick?

[bengallxxx]

(03-20-2011 10:38 AM)Brian Wrote:  

whatever happened w/the chick?

apparently the OP was exaggerating ! the chick actually never gave him any number, she just grinded him.