[Willy Wonka]

Girls are flaking like crazy these days... how do y'all handle this shit? Does anybody have any solid responses for how to unflake a girl?

I know a friend that just texts them and says shit like "fuck you bitch, you suck at life." Of course that doesn't work in getting them to come back and I don't even know if it makes them think twice about what they did, probably just confirms their actions... like "good thing I didn't go out with him he seems crazy/unstable."

Sometimes I feel like girls flake as some sort of a shit test to see how we react to it.. but even then, I don't know what would be the right way to react.

1. Call her out on her bullshit excuse?
2. Just try to reschedule right then and there when she gives the excuse?
3. Just ignore her and move on to the next chick
4. Make fun of her somehow or making it seem like she's cute for trying to flake on you? (Although I don't know if I'd know how to pull this off, because I'm generally too pissed off to be witty at that point in time.)

[Lumiere]

5. learn to not care and give priority to the many other chicks u have in your life that recognise your value

[thegmanifesto]

6. Read #5.

[speakeasy]

Wonka,

At what stage of the game are you getting the flaking? Is it at the beginning when you get the number then try to meet up with her the first time? Or is it later down the line from that?

[Giovonny]

Is this flakiness by the girl or bad game by the guy?

If you meet a girl, get her number, call her a few days later and ask her out, guess what? She doesn't know who the fuck you are. No real connection was made, no trust was built, etc. Why would she go out with you? Just because you told her a few jokes at bar and you're decent looking. Thats not enough. Your just another guy fishing for a date. Good looking girls get this all the time.

You can't just get the number and then call and ask for a date. You gotta get her a little excited and turned on first. Thats where your Game comes in. Anyone can flirt for 10 minutes and then ask for a number. But can you actually get her out on a date with you? Can you call her and have her laughing in the first 2 minutes? Then when she asked you what you do and what your into, do you give her the same old lame answers that most boring guys give? Or do you give her something fresh exciting and sexy to think about. Don't be another number collecting "regular guy".

You want girls to stop flaking on you? Bottom line is that they don't like you enough, you probably have not presented yourself very well and/or you asked for the date too soon. Without building up any attraction. Getting numbers means nothing. Its what you say when she answers the phone that will determine if she flakes or not.

7 days ago, I met a cute 19yo chocolate honey at In and Out burger. Got her number and texted her 3 days later. I said hi and joked about how we met in line. I invited her to come and watch me play basketball, I told her to bring some friends because i have some handsome temmates. She said maybe next time. Last night I texted her "Hey Bre, How you been? We got to chatting about college and blah blah. She asked me about myself. I said I come from a family of athletes and I played ball in college, then traveled thru South America, then got a masters in Sports Psychology, and now I make fitness videos. Her reply was ...."Thats hot, you must be in great shape". Now, thats what i have been waiting for. an IOI from her. If I keep my Game right. I bet the next time I invite her to come watch me play, she will be excited about it. The first time I asked her out,
i was just bluffing anyways, I just wanted to show her I was confident. I made a point to invite her freinds also, so she wouldn't think I was expecting the two us of to be alone.

Bottom line: If she flakes on you, you have not done enough to get her interested in you.

[Caramel Communist]

(06-29-2010 12:00 PM)Willy Wonka Wrote:  

Girls are flaking like crazy these days... how do y'all handle this shit? Does anybody have any solid responses for how to unflake a girl?

I know a friend that just texts them and says shit like "fuck you bitch, you suck at life." Of course that doesn't work in getting them to come back and I don't even know if it makes them think twice about what they did, probably just confirms their actions... like "good thing I didn't go out with him he seems crazy/unstable."

Sometimes I feel like girls flake as some sort of a shit test to see how we react to it.. but even then, I don't know what would be the right way to react.

1. Call her out on her bullshit excuse?
2. Just try to reschedule right then and there when she gives the excuse?
3. Just ignore her and move on to the next chick
4. Make fun of her somehow or making it seem like she's cute for trying to flake on you? (Although I don't know if I'd know how to pull this off, because I'm generally too pissed off to be witty at that point in time.)

24-25 on up do not do that bullshit. If they don't want to give you the number they won't.. Looks like a college/h.s. reebok wearing bitch move...

[Willy Wonka]

(06-29-2010 01:54 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

Wonka,

At what stage of the game are you getting the flaking? Is it at the beginning when you get the number then try to meet up with her the first time? Or is it later down the line from that?

Different times for different chicks. Some flake on the first date, some on the 2nd.... others it's later down the line.

They all seem to do it at some point in time though.

This chick that was supposed to cook for last night flaked on me, by sending me a text saying "Hey. I'm not feeling too well to cook. Maybe some other time within the week."

I didn't respond then. Just went out and got some fast food and said fuck it, I'm done with her ass.

But, then today, just to play around and see how it'd go, I decided to hit her up... conversation as follows...

Me: You know... I don't even think u can cook, I think it's just a big joke....
Her: Lol. Why you say that!?
Me: Cuz everytime you offer to cook for me its always some last minute excuse of why it doesn't happen...
Her: Well I am sick! Lol
Me: Sorry to hear that. I hope it's not fatal...
Her: That's effed up!!!
Her again (10 min later): I can cook! I will prove it to you!!
Me: I'll believe it when I see it. Put your money where your mouth is.
Her: What do you mean by that?? Are you just using the phrase or do you really want to bet me??
Me: I was just using the phrase.... lol. You proving to me you can cook should be payoff enough
Her: Oh ok.

*shrugs shoulders* I guess we'll see what happens with that...

[thegmanifesto]

"This chick that was supposed to cook for last night flaked on me, by sending me a text saying "Hey. I'm not feeling too well to cook. Maybe some other time within the week."

American girl?

[Willy Wonka]

(06-29-2010 06:40 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

American girl?

Yeah. You already know.

[thegmanifesto]

(06-29-2010 06:43 PM)Willy Wonka Wrote:  

(06-29-2010 06:40 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

American girl?

Yeah. You already know.

Ha. Yeah, those broads don't cook.

More importantly, you don't want to eat anything that they whip up anyway.

Rock the "cook for me" move on Latinas. It worked wonders for me in DR and Colombia.

Unfortunately these days, asking an American girl to cook for you is like asking a homeless person to show you how to structure a leveraged buyout of a hotel and casino.

[Willy Wonka]

(06-29-2010 07:08 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

Ha. Yeah, those broads don't cook.

More importantly, you don't want to eat anything that they whip up anyway.

Rock the "cook for me" move on Latinas. It worked wonders for me in DR and Colombia.

Unfortunately these days, asking an American girl to cook for you is like asking a homeless person to show you how to structure a leveraged buyout of a hotel and casino.

I will keep that in mind. Most of them flake when offering to cook for me anyway - http://wonkawilly.wordpress.com/2010/04/...k-for-you/

And the ones that have cooked for me this year.... smh. Let's just say one chick made some steak on the stove with way too much salt on it. And another chick made me eggs with bacon grease in them.... wtf? who does that?

Not to mention, my roomate's chick said she was making some spaghetti and made some noodles with no sauce....

Man, American girls suck ass. I'm starting to see that shit now.

[AlphaQup2nite]

Its not just American, but the upwardly mobile girls in china are like this. Its like, its like, i still have like 4 girls who are supposed to cook for me, but of course, its not gonna happen any time soon. After knowing and keeping in touch on and off with a chick who i dont even want to fuck for about 3 years, its finally gotten around to setting a date, which im pretty sure she will flake on.

Compare this to a danish chick i met randomly outside the dorms when i was "study" in uni, and shes cooking me dinner the next day, and calls me up to invite me to have dinner at her place.

I honestly think its a byproduct of all this feminist bullshit. Girls want to fight so hard to be in control, that they actively fuck things up, b/c they aren't mentally capable of following through with what they say, since they NEVER THINK BEFORE THEY SAY ANYTHING. Men and woman arent equal. Its simple. They have the possibly of equality, but the probability of it is very low. For example, there are a few girls who have stronger arms than me, or equal to, but the majority can not compare. If a guy says something, and someone agrees, there is a tick in our schedule 99% of the time, and we make a note of it. Chicks just talk to fill in the space, without making a mental recollection of making plans; in one ear, out the other. All of the PUA material on being submissive and such are whats most westernized girls think of every day.

The best way to get a girl to make dinner for you is to offer to give her a hand with some part of it, like i often end up cooking right along side her or atleast doing prep work. Chicks see this as being through of as equal, and are less likely to flake on the home cooking thing. For the rest of flake-iness, its really hard. I haven't really found a way out of it except for persistence.

[Roosh]

Flaking is definitely getting worse it seems.

You have no other option but to be the girl's best option. It's a matter of continuing to tighten up your game. Wish there was some trick to it.

[Nonpareil]

Honestly Wills, the only advice I can give you on flaking is to grow a thick skin, because it never stops, and to not let it get you down, because it's as much a fact of life as eating, shitting or breathing.

Flaking is minimized when you establish a stronger connection with the woman when you scoop her number. How you do this differs from man to man. Some men are hellaciously funny, some men know when and how to touch a woman to turn her on, some men are brutally handsome, some men just put out that dominant vibe that women crave.

...and even if you have all of those things, the women will still flake. the numbers game is the only way to negate flaking:

- You get twenty numbers in a given month.
- Ten girls will take your call.
- Five girls will agree to a date.
- Two girls will actually show up.
- You'll bang one.

It's all an upside-down pyramid scheme.

[Willy Wonka]

(06-30-2010 12:57 AM)Nonpareil Wrote:  

the numbers game is the only way to negate flaking:

- You get twenty numbers in a given month.
- Ten girls will take your call.
- Five girls will agree to a date.
- Two girls will actually show up.
- You'll bang one.

It's all an upside-down pyramid scheme.

The sad thing is, those are basically my exact numbers right about now.... lol


The girls who I know I don't make a solid connection with and I just get the number anyway (might as well, a couple of them have panned out, most don't though) aren't the ones that bother me or annoy me when they flake, because I pretty much expect it.

It's the chicks that I've already been dating or fucking even, that when they flake it pisses me off. Or really, the chicks who hit ME up to do something or offer to do something like cook for me and then flake on me. Like, bitch you contacted me, this was your idea... how the fuck are you going to flake?

That's the shit that annoys me.

It's becoming common knowledge though. My old roomate doesn't even read or to my knowledge know anything about the "community", "PUA" or "game" shit and he made a comment this weekend about, "girls are so fucking flakey these days."

[charmer]

i wish i could invent a magic spell in order to apply on a girl who flakes.

there is absolutely no solution for flakiness

except the flakiness which occurs out of your neediness.

[K-man]

I am so happy I don't collect numbers anymore. For different reasons (ball and chain) but I would see why some dudes might give up on numbers at all.
When I have a night out, I just go all in - either sex or nothing. Naturally, this has a pretty low conversion rate. But I don't want some crazy hoe calling my phone at dinner time when I'm with my wife and kid.
You can imagine the surprise of some girls, those that we happen to have a good time together, making out, etc. and I don't ask for their number. If I tried to fuck you and you said no, I don't need your number, bitch. But the look on those faces - priceless.

That being said, collecting numbers and following thru with dates does yield more success eventually - I just can't afford to do it. And I am actually happy I don't need to deal with it anymore.

[Aylar]

(06-29-2010 12:00 PM)Willy Wonka Wrote:  

Girls are flaking like crazy these days... how do y'all handle this shit? Does anybody have any solid responses for how to unflake a girl?

[metalhaze]

(06-30-2010 09:12 AM)Aylar Wrote:  

(06-29-2010 12:00 PM)Willy Wonka Wrote:  

Girls are flaking like crazy these days... how do y'all handle this shit? Does anybody have any solid responses for how to unflake a girl?

I just got flaked yesterday by a hot broad who called me 15 min before our meeting to tell me that she is "tired" ( I didn't pick up and let it go to voicemail).

flaking is just part of the game...the way to counter it is just to NOT CARE...i.e. don't call her on, it makes you seem bitter and that she got under your skin...just IGNORE HER until she contacts you again in the near future...other wise give her a call in 2-4 weeks and set up something else, if she flakes again thow her number... I have come to understand myself better now and I know as men we get attached to an option if it is very Hot and sexy, but you know what, if she is disrespectful and treats you worse than an option then you don't need her, it's not gonna get better.

Now if she flakes and you are in a relationship, then yeh maybe call her on it cuz now it's blatant disrespect but if you haven't banged her, just IGNORE HER indefinitely until SHE contacts you and when she does, you'll have the upper hand.

[adrian_D]

The best analysis on flaking and the appropriate response is given by Stage Two in his excellent article, 'Why do women flake? And how should we respond?'

http://stagetwo.wordpress.com/2009/01/27...e-respond/

[OGNorCal707]

(06-30-2010 09:12 AM)Aylar Wrote:  

(06-29-2010 12:00 PM)Willy Wonka Wrote:  

Girls are flaking like crazy these days... how do y'all handle this shit? Does anybody have any solid responses for how to unflake a girl?

LOL @ Aylar, that's some funny shit.

[thegmanifesto]

(06-29-2010 07:57 PM)Willy Wonka Wrote:  

(06-29-2010 07:08 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

Ha. Yeah, those broads don't cook.

More importantly, you don't want to eat anything that they whip up anyway.

Rock the "cook for me" move on Latinas. It worked wonders for me in DR and Colombia.

Unfortunately these days, asking an American girl to cook for you is like asking a homeless person to show you how to structure a leveraged buyout of a hotel and casino.

I will keep that in mind. Most of them flake when offering to cook for me anyway - http://wonkawilly.wordpress.com/2010/04/...k-for-you/

And the ones that have cooked for me this year.... smh. Let's just say one chick made some steak on the stove with way too much salt on it. And another chick made me eggs with bacon grease in them.... wtf? who does that?

Not to mention, my roomate's chick said she was making some spaghetti and made some noodles with no sauce....

Man, American girls suck ass. I'm starting to see that shit now.

That sounds like some pretty grim food.

"Man, American girls suck ass. I'm starting to see that shit now."

Better to learn it sooner than later.

[Aylar]

(06-30-2010 01:13 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  

(06-30-2010 09:12 AM)Aylar Wrote:  

(06-29-2010 12:00 PM)Willy Wonka Wrote:  

Girls are flaking like crazy these days... how do y'all handle this shit? Does anybody have any solid responses for how to unflake a girl?

LOL @ Aylar, that's some funny shit.

hahah finally someone gets my humor! Now that's what I call a solid response.

[Kona]

(06-29-2010 06:26 PM)Willy Wonka Wrote:  

Me: You know... I don't even think u can cook, I think it's just a big joke....
Her: Lol. Why you say that!?
Me: Cuz everytime you offer to cook for me its always some last minute excuse of why it doesn't happen...
Her: Well I am sick! Lol
Me: Sorry to hear that. I hope it's not fatal...
Her: That's effed up!!!
Her again (10 min later): I can cook! I will prove it to you!!
Me: I'll believe it when I see it. Put your money where your mouth is.
Her: What do you mean by that?? Are you just using the phrase or do you really want to bet me??
Me: I was just using the phrase.... lol. You proving to me you can cook should be payoff enough
Her: Oh ok.

Willy Wonka, that reads to me like you were telling her to go away, or almost daring her to flake on you again.

Instead of witty texting just do what it takes to get her to your kitchen as soon as possible. When she said she'd prove to you she could cook, maybe saying "well get your ass over here" would have been all you needed. Save the chatting for when she's there.

(06-29-2010 06:26 PM)K-man Wrote:  

When I have a night out, I just go all in - either sex or nothing. Naturally, this has a pretty low conversion rate. But I don't want some crazy hoe calling my phone at dinner time

Same here.

With girls I meet at bars, I'll give them my girl-phone phone number, but I won't take it too seriously when they call. The only time I'll make an effort to call them is if there's something really extraordinary about the girl.

As far as girls you meet at bars flaking, my theory is that if a girl at a bar gives you her phone number, but you don't swoop her, she goes and bangs some other guy.

Why would you expect anything other than a flake when you were just one of many dudes she gave her number to the night she wound up fucking some other joker?

Aloha!

[oldnemesis]

(06-30-2010 03:11 AM)K-man Wrote:  

When I have a night out, I just go all in - either sex or nothing. Naturally, this has a pretty low conversion rate. But I don't want some crazy hoe calling my phone at dinner time when I'm with my wife and kid.

Same here, for the same reasons plus I do not have time and desire to do dating, hence the phone number is useless. I am not looking for an affair, so I do not care what kind of personality she has and it makes no sense to spend more time on her than necessary to fuck her. Going out with her would be so much waste of time that I wouldn't do it even if there was a 100% guarantee that we'll end up having sex after a three hour date.

One of the reasons for a low conversion rate may be that once you get married, the value of a pussy goes down dramatically. Which means you are going to invest significantly less energy on getting it than a single dude. I am at the point now when I do pretty much nothing to keep the conversation going after approach besides physical and nonverbal game, and if the approach dies within ten minutes, so be it.

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You can imagine the surprise of some girls, those that we happen to have a good time together, making out, etc. and I don't ask for their number. If I tried to fuck you and you said no, I don't need your number, bitch. But the look on those faces - priceless.

I just thought it may be a good idea to try to tell her in the middle of the conversation that you won't get her phone number instead of simply not getting it and enjoying the look. This may wipe out those who are definitely looking for a date, and push those who are open to one night stand but unsure about it to the right direction. Of course the look is priceless and hard to resist, but it only lasts that much, and I'd rather trade it off for a better chance. What do you think?

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That being said, collecting numbers and following thru with dates does yield more success eventually - I just can't afford to do it.

It depends on how one measures success. While the raw notch count would definitely be higher, the time-per-notch in this case would also go up significantly (she may not put out even after date three). I limit my going-out once a week, and I am definitely not going to spend it with just one girl on a date which may lead to nowhere.