[BCZalgyris]

(04-16-2013 03:48 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

You probably try in Ivan Franco university in Lvov.You have tried the benches on central square near Opera theatre withour success.You got to the local discos and saw no possibilities either.Internet game does not bring good results in Lvov as well.You are trying probably to find an operation vivendi.
When I got there got first time I got 4 girlfriends in 3 days.It is like driving a Mercedes in shitty roads.Can you play ball in short space?

Greek, I don't mean to call you out but these stories of yours are seeming more and more unbelievable, almost like Deb Aucheries, i.e., "I just show up in an EE city, dress well, say hello to a girl, and bang in 1 hour"...
Can you throw some stats? Did you meet those 4 gf's via pipelining in advance? Did you go on multiple dates and have to buy presents for them? Did you go to a fancy club all suited up and buy a round of drinks to a set of girls?
Remember, all of us are trying to better our game so the more specifics you throw out the better it will be for all of us. Thanks.

[POHammer]

Greek Kamaki know his stuff.

If you want details you need to visit the place yourself, but a lot of Greek's tips are very useful. I know from trying it out.

He's not perfect...so some of his advice may not apply to you, but give his posts a re-read and take out the main points he gives.

[Greek kamaki]

(04-16-2013 09:53 PM)BCZalgyris Wrote:  

(04-16-2013 03:48 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

You probably try in Ivan Franco university in Lvov.You have tried the benches on central square near Opera theatre withour success.You got to the local discos and saw no possibilities either.Internet game does not bring good results in Lvov as well.You are trying probably to find an operation vivendi.
When I got there got first time I got 4 girlfriends in 3 days.It is like driving a Mercedes in shitty roads.Can you play ball in short space?

Greek, I don't mean to call you out but these stories of yours are seeming more and more unbelievable, almost like Deb Aucheries, i.e., "I just show up in an EE city, dress well, say hello to a girl, and bang in 1 hour"...
Can you throw some stats? Did you meet those 4 gf's via pipelining in advance? Did you go on multiple dates and have to buy presents for them? Did you go to a fancy club all suited up and buy a round of drinks to a set of girls?
Remember, all of us are trying to better our game so the more specifics you throw out the better it will be for all of us. Thanks.

No,I just started hitting the roads.Some girls brought me to a disco and then magical pussy flow started.There are so many targets circulating around at one point I picked up a girl in a bus station and when I proposed to her to go to a cafe she answered:I don"t want to drink coffee.Better we go to your hotel."
I did not spend anything back then in western Ukraine girls are reluctant to take gifts and relatively proud in this regard.

[avantgarde]

Dude, I've been here for a month. Yes, I've been to the Ivan Franko. Due to bureaucratic rules, I was unable to teach more than one lesson. Fuck, I maybe try too hard sometimes, I talk to girls, but they are busy or uninterested to a stranger since they are with their friends. Sometimes if a girl goes somewhere else, I wait for to come back to talk her or should I follow her, and keep talking to her?
Fuck, if I see a hot girl leaving a class to go to home, how should I approach her when there are tons of other girls I might know watching me? If it fails, should move to straight to the next hot girl I see?
Fuck, I seem a little desperate. I approach like almost every hot girl sitting down that is next to me or near me in the library, cafe, university except when I'm already talking to a girl. Dude, getting all these vk and numbers are not panning out so well, maybe I put more time in vk after getting their contacts.
Fuck, palmistry and are cold reading are not working so well, maybe I need to establish rapport and attraction before doing it. Fuck maybe I tease too early and move too fast, within 2-3min, I make fun of her features and then give her a compliment. Maybe I kino too early, I say her hair is nice, and I touch her hair.
How should ask for numbers when I know for sure she might only be talking to me for less than 5min until she has to go?
I need a better opener than "hey, your sunglasses are nice," Are you studying English", hey, what are you reading".
These fucking girls don't ask a lot of questions. Being a teacher might a sign of low status.

[rishboy77]

Avant

Keep up the reports and keep trying with girls, it's a numbers game and with nearly 3 & 1/2 million more women in UA then men the odds are in your favor. In terms of the internet I would also try Mamba & Badoo where I found more success then VK. Another site I have I use site is Rabota but it requires a bit work since it requires a corporate email address as it is a legitimate job seeking site. I usually get 10 -15 resumes a day for English translator/ Personal secretary. I usually be-friend the hottest single girls from Rabota on Skype/Vk and after a chatting for a while, I tell them unfortunately I found out the job was filled but ask if they still want to remain "friends".

[Greek kamaki]

Exactly this is the point.To be able to operate under time pressure.You have just three minutes to make a good impression because the girl hurries home.

[POHammer]

(04-17-2013 09:22 AM)avantgarde Wrote:  

Dude, I've been here for a month. Yes, I've been to the Ivan Franko. Due to bureaucratic rules, I was unable to teach more than one lesson. Fuck, I maybe try too hard sometimes, I talk to girls, but they are busy or uninterested to a stranger since they are with their friends. Sometimes if a girl goes somewhere else, I wait for to come back to talk her or should I follow her, and keep talking to her?
Fuck, if I see a hot girl leaving a class to go to home, how should I approach her when there are tons of other girls I might know watching me? If it fails, should move to straight to the next hot girl I see?
Fuck, I seem a little desperate. I approach like almost every hot girl sitting down that is next to me or near me in the library, cafe, university except when I'm already talking to a girl. Dude, getting all these vk and numbers are not panning out so well, maybe I put more time in vk after getting their contacts.
Fuck, palmistry and are cold reading are not working so well, maybe I need to establish rapport and attraction before doing it. Fuck maybe I tease too early and move too fast, within 2-3min, I make fun of her features and then give her a compliment. Maybe I kino too early, I say her hair is nice, and I touch her hair.
How should ask for numbers when I know for sure she might only be talking to me for less than 5min until she has to go?
I need a better opener than "hey, your sunglasses are nice," Are you studying English", hey, what are you reading".
These fucking girls don't ask a lot of questions. Being a teacher might a sign of low status.

Relax Local dudes are very chill and confident around girls, be like them.


Do Less game, more relaxed banter. Palm thing works great once you are on a date.

Just keep aproaching and relax, it'll take a couple months to hook a quality girl.

OK? If you are there long term you will succeed!


I had the same results...they all give you their VK contact info or phone number but don't meet up afterwards. If you want better success rates, make a social circle (find a job, settle down, etc.) From cold approaches, expect success after 2-3 months of doing 5-10 solid approaches a day.

[Greek kamaki]

There is an important thing.It is the constant movement.You should never stay in the same place too long.Sarge an hour in the university and then move.Go to the square.Take the marshutka to the suburbs.Get back.Go to the park.Go to the bazzaar.Start hitting there till you dispappear in the crowd.The come back to the square.Hit girls sitting on benches.Then move on the streets next to the square.Talk to girls who walk in companies.They expect that.Then come back to the university.Stay less.Go to the bus stations near university to talk to girls leaving.Hit the railway station.Take the bus back.
See the cafes next to the square.Get into the clubs.
Always be in a constant movement.Never sit down.Walk walk walk till your shoes get totally torn.The block will happen when your movement is hindered.As long as you move you are King.

Situations restricting the movement:
1.Weather.Snow and mud.Rain.
2.Other guys.
3.Elderly,beggars coming to block you.
4.Cars.
5.Police.
etc
So now you are already known there.The girls know about a strange guy who approaches girls in university.Your chances may have come close to zero.The reason is that you did not move.You just chose a place and stayed there.
In your position I ould take the train to Lutsk.

[POHammer]

(04-17-2013 12:38 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

There is an important thing.It is the constant movement.You should never stay in the same place too long.Sarge an hour in the university and then move.Go to the square.Take the marshutka to the suburbs.Get back.Go to the park.Go to the bazzaar.Start hitting there till you dispappear in the crowd.The come back to the square.Hit girls sitting on benches.Then move on the streets next to the square.Talk to girls who walk in companies.They expect that.Then come back to the university.Stay less.Go to the bus stations near university to talk to girls leaving.Hit the railway station.Take the bus back.
See the cafes next to the square.Get into the clubs.
Always be in a constant movement.Never sit down.Walk walk walk till your shoes get totally torn.The block will happen when your movement is hindered.As long as you move you are King.

Situations restricting the movement:
1.Weather.Snow and mud.Rain.
2.Other guys.
3.Elderly,beggars coming to block you.
4.Cars.
5.Police.
etc
So now you are already known there.The girls know about a strange guy who approaches girls in university.Your chances may have come close to zero.The reason is that you did not move.You just chose a place and stayed there.
In your position I ould take the train to Lutsk.

Excellent advice. Also, larger cities can be better as they preserve anonymity for longer, even though the girls may be more spoiled and prices higher, you are allowed more time for approaches.

Although, getting known can be good sometimes. After all my approaches, I met a firl who thought I had actually been banging most of the girls I had met...haha. Thats an exception though. Much better if you visit different neighborhoods and change venue often. Take a bus to the other side of town and try again.

Try near the opera house, try in residential districts. Find the other universities. Try the bus stops near commercial districts and office buildings. Keep switching

[Greek kamaki]

Now he needs to get to Lutsk and return to Lvov because he has done damage to himself.Always follow General Jackson advice and come from the directions they expect you the least to minimize resistance.(it is obvious that a foreigner will come to the university to hunt girls.It is less obvious in other locations).

[BCZalgyris]

(04-17-2013 02:45 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

(04-16-2013 09:53 PM)BCZalgyris Wrote:  

(04-16-2013 03:48 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

You probably try in Ivan Franco university in Lvov.You have tried the benches on central square near Opera theatre withour success.You got to the local discos and saw no possibilities either.Internet game does not bring good results in Lvov as well.You are trying probably to find an operation vivendi.
When I got there got first time I got 4 girlfriends in 3 days.It is like driving a Mercedes in shitty roads.Can you play ball in short space?

Greek, I don't mean to call you out but these stories of yours are seeming more and more unbelievable, almost like Deb Aucheries, i.e., "I just show up in an EE city, dress well, say hello to a girl, and bang in 1 hour"...
Can you throw some stats? Did you meet those 4 gf's via pipelining in advance? Did you go on multiple dates and have to buy presents for them? Did you go to a fancy club all suited up and buy a round of drinks to a set of girls?
Remember, all of us are trying to better our game so the more specifics you throw out the better it will be for all of us. Thanks.

No,I just started hitting the roads.Some girls brought me to a disco and then magical pussy flow started.There are so many targets circulating around at one point I picked up a girl in a bus station and when I proposed to her to go to a cafe she answered:I don"t want to drink coffee.Better we go to your hotel."
I did not spend anything back then in western Ukraine girls are reluctant to take gifts and relatively proud in this regard.

Greek, I think things have changed a lot since you visited Ukraine. I assume that was some years back when just about every foreigner was viewed as being exotic, rich and "desirable".
Perhaps I am wrong but the flood of foreigners, particularly sex tourists in big cities, has made the women more guarded. I was being shit tested regularly in Kiev but always came through due to my near fluent Russian and because my company actually has an office in Kiev and is well known locally. I honestly think that all those contacts I got would have flaked soon had I not passed those shit tests.

[jimukr104]

Things have changed since a lot of Greeks stories. It should be mentioned that of Greek kamaki actually looks Greek(Italian) that his look helPs. Greeks look similar to Georgians. If you watch Russian tv you notice that is that pop star/sex symbol look. Although the southern Europeans have made recent bad image with sex tourism ,I am sure a lone mediterraneon looking gentleman wets panties.

[jimukr104]

Btw how old are you? Young teacher will not wet panties. As a young guy u will do better with vk ,older guy better real life.

[POHammer]

I'm not sure about that. VK has poor results. You message 20 girls "Привет, как дела?" and get about 1 reply.

Real life seems better, you pass the "Are you actually in my city?" shit test

[avantgarde]

(04-17-2013 11:34 AM)POHammer Wrote:  

(04-17-2013 09:22 AM)avantgarde Wrote:  

Dude, I've been here for a month. Yes, I've been to the Ivan Franko. Due to bureaucratic rules, I was unable to teach more than one lesson. Fuck, I maybe try too hard sometimes, I talk to girls, but they are busy or uninterested to a stranger since they are with their friends. Sometimes if a girl goes somewhere else, I wait for to come back to talk her or should I follow her, and keep talking to her?
Fuck, if I see a hot girl leaving a class to go to home, how should I approach her when there are tons of other girls I might know watching me? If it fails, should move to straight to the next hot girl I see?
Fuck, I seem a little desperate. I approach like almost every hot girl sitting down that is next to me or near me in the library, cafe, university except when I'm already talking to a girl. Dude, getting all these vk and numbers are not panning out so well, maybe I put more time in vk after getting their contacts.
Fuck, palmistry and are cold reading are not working so well, maybe I need to establish rapport and attraction before doing it. Fuck maybe I tease too early and move too fast, within 2-3min, I make fun of her features and then give her a compliment. Maybe I kino too early, I say her hair is nice, and I touch her hair.
How should ask for numbers when I know for sure she might only be talking to me for less than 5min until she has to go?
I need a better opener than "hey, your sunglasses are nice," Are you studying English", hey, what are you reading".
These fucking girls don't ask a lot of questions. Being a teacher might a sign of low status.

Relax Local dudes are very chill and confident around girls, be like them.


Do Less game, more relaxed banter. Palm thing works great once you are on a date.

Just keep aproaching and relax, it'll take a couple months to hook a quality girl.

OK? If you are there long term you will succeed!


I had the same results...they all give you their VK contact info or phone number but don't meet up afterwards. If you want better success rates, make a social circle (find a job, settle down, etc.) From cold approaches, expect success after 2-3 months of doing 5-10 solid approaches a day.

That's what I'm doing, settling down and building a circle. Fuck, it is worst, when I approach on the street and they don't speak English, i try to speak Ukrainian and I don't what to say. It is so much work to explain a personality game with them in Ukrainian. They don't get what I'm saying or it doesn't have the appeal due lack of clarity. IDK, when they look confused at me and don't say anything, it makes it hard for me say something. It is so annoying when ask questions about me, I forgot to talk about myself, and I keep asking questions.

I need work on being more observant, smooth.

[avantgarde]

I don't even talk to girls on Vk, unless we met in person, then we talk. Yeah, I think girls in this university know me too well, even though I'm not aggressive and direct. I'm going to check out other universities like medical... this week or later.


I wonder if I've a possible job offer in Russia should I take it and leave this place like western Russia not Moscow or St. P.? I like this place though, I don't want to move again.

[avantgarde]

(04-17-2013 11:10 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  

Btw how old are you? Young teacher will not wet panties. As a young guy u will do better with vk ,older guy better real life.

Less than 26 more than 20.
Are u saying they rather date a old guy who could be more established, more serious, wealthy or the opposite?

[POHammer]

(04-18-2013 07:14 AM)avantgarde Wrote:  

(04-17-2013 11:34 AM)POHammer Wrote:  

(04-17-2013 09:22 AM)avantgarde Wrote:  

Dude, I've been here for a month. Yes, I've been to the Ivan Franko. Due to bureaucratic rules, I was unable to teach more than one lesson. Fuck, I maybe try too hard sometimes, I talk to girls, but they are busy or uninterested to a stranger since they are with their friends. Sometimes if a girl goes somewhere else, I wait for to come back to talk her or should I follow her, and keep talking to her?
Fuck, if I see a hot girl leaving a class to go to home, how should I approach her when there are tons of other girls I might know watching me? If it fails, should move to straight to the next hot girl I see?
Fuck, I seem a little desperate. I approach like almost every hot girl sitting down that is next to me or near me in the library, cafe, university except when I'm already talking to a girl. Dude, getting all these vk and numbers are not panning out so well, maybe I put more time in vk after getting their contacts.
Fuck, palmistry and are cold reading are not working so well, maybe I need to establish rapport and attraction before doing it. Fuck maybe I tease too early and move too fast, within 2-3min, I make fun of her features and then give her a compliment. Maybe I kino too early, I say her hair is nice, and I touch her hair.
How should ask for numbers when I know for sure she might only be talking to me for less than 5min until she has to go?
I need a better opener than "hey, your sunglasses are nice," Are you studying English", hey, what are you reading".
These fucking girls don't ask a lot of questions. Being a teacher might a sign of low status.

Relax Local dudes are very chill and confident around girls, be like them.


Do Less game, more relaxed banter. Palm thing works great once you are on a date.

Just keep aproaching and relax, it'll take a couple months to hook a quality girl.

OK? If you are there long term you will succeed!


I had the same results...they all give you their VK contact info or phone number but don't meet up afterwards. If you want better success rates, make a social circle (find a job, settle down, etc.) From cold approaches, expect success after 2-3 months of doing 5-10 solid approaches a day.

That's what I'm doing, settling down and building a circle. Fuck, it is worst, when I approach on the street and they don't speak English, i try to speak Ukrainian and I don't what to say. It is so much work to explain a personality game with them in Ukrainian. They don't get what I'm saying or it doesn't have the appeal due lack of clarity. IDK, when they look confused at me and don't say anything, it makes it hard for me say something. It is so annoying when ask questions about me, I forgot to talk about myself, and I keep asking questions.

I need work on being more observant, smooth.

Why are playing personality games?

First rule is forget game. Ask more questions like greek kamaki mentioned.

Find a ukrainian wingman.

In provincial ukraine you don't need pickup lines, just do stuff like elderly chat that roosh mentions (talk about the weathr and ask about good mens shoe stores nearby, then get her contact info and ask to meetup.) Thats it...no fancy game.

Have you ever seen a ukrainian dude meet a woman? Its all just simple small talk, have a beer, then escalate physically. Non of this game crap that supposedly advanced westertern civ demmands.

[POHammer]

(04-18-2013 07:14 AM)avantgarde Wrote:  

(04-17-2013 11:34 AM)POHammer Wrote:  

(04-17-2013 09:22 AM)avantgarde Wrote:  

Dude, I've been here for a month. Yes, I've been to the Ivan Franko. Due to bureaucratic rules, I was unable to teach more than one lesson. Fuck, I maybe try too hard sometimes, I talk to girls, but they are busy or uninterested to a stranger since they are with their friends. Sometimes if a girl goes somewhere else, I wait for to come back to talk her or should I follow her, and keep talking to her?
Fuck, if I see a hot girl leaving a class to go to home, how should I approach her when there are tons of other girls I might know watching me? If it fails, should move to straight to the next hot girl I see?
Fuck, I seem a little desperate. I approach like almost every hot girl sitting down that is next to me or near me in the library, cafe, university except when I'm already talking to a girl. Dude, getting all these vk and numbers are not panning out so well, maybe I put more time in vk after getting their contacts.
Fuck, palmistry and are cold reading are not working so well, maybe I need to establish rapport and attraction before doing it. Fuck maybe I tease too early and move too fast, within 2-3min, I make fun of her features and then give her a compliment. Maybe I kino too early, I say her hair is nice, and I touch her hair.
How should ask for numbers when I know for sure she might only be talking to me for less than 5min until she has to go?
I need a better opener than "hey, your sunglasses are nice," Are you studying English", hey, what are you reading".
These fucking girls don't ask a lot of questions. Being a teacher might a sign of low status.

Relax Local dudes are very chill and confident around girls, be like them.


Do Less game, more relaxed banter. Palm thing works great once you are on a date.

Just keep aproaching and relax, it'll take a couple months to hook a quality girl.

OK? If you are there long term you will succeed!


I had the same results...they all give you their VK contact info or phone number but don't meet up afterwards. If you want better success rates, make a social circle (find a job, settle down, etc.) From cold approaches, expect success after 2-3 months of doing 5-10 solid approaches a day.

That's what I'm doing, settling down and building a circle. Fuck, it is worst, when I approach on the street and they don't speak English, i try to speak Ukrainian and I don't what to say. It is so much work to explain a personality game with them in Ukrainian. They don't get what I'm saying or it doesn't have the appeal due lack of clarity. IDK, when they look confused at me and don't say anything, it makes it hard for me say something. It is so annoying when ask questions about me, I forgot to talk about myself, and I keep asking questions.

I need work on being more observant, smooth.

Why are playing personality games?

First rule is forget game. Ask more questions like greek kamaki mentioned.

Find a ukrainian wingman.

In provincial ukraine you don't need pickup lines, just do stuff like elderly chat that roosh mentions (talk about the weathr and ask about good mens shoe stores nearby, then get her contact info and ask to meetup.) Thats it...no fancy game.

[Alexander]

Avantgarde, I think you said you are of Chinese origin?. As you probably figured by now, this is working against you somewhat, however, all is not lost.

I don't honestly think you are likely to find the answers from any of us here.

Many of your anxieties come from your lack of confidence, there is no quick fix to that, confidence comes with age and experience, neither of which you seem to have in abundance.

Concerning this comment

I make fun of her features and then give her a compliment

I met a girl recently in Lviv, who was talking about a guy who fit's your description. The girl is around 25, probably a 7.

She said something along the lines of

"I met this guy, and I told him about myself and the fact I was single, and he said that I should probably look for a guy about 50 years old"

She was quite offended, but I had to try hard not to laugh .

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[POHammer]

Please stop insulting these girls. They take things literally and teasing doesn't work well. This is not America.

Try finding girls who are into asian culture and invite them over to make sushi together.

Now that I know you are asian, I suggest you try Asiatic Russia (Kazakhstan, Etc), would do much better IMO.

[GameTheory]

(04-16-2013 03:48 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

You probably try in Ivan Franco university in Lvov.You have tried the benches on central square near Opera theatre withour success.You got to the local discos and saw no possibilities either.Internet game does not bring good results in Lvov as well.You are trying probably to find an operation vivendi.
When I got there got first time I got 4 girlfriends in 3 days.It is like driving a Mercedes in shitty roads.Can you play ball in short space?

i just thought of something... would learning to speak Polish help in a place like Lviv ? that way you could run game in BOTH Poland and Western Ukraine ???

[avantgarde]

(04-18-2013 11:42 AM)POHammer Wrote:  

Please stop insulting these girls. They take things literally and teasing doesn't work well. This is not America.

Try finding girls who are into asian culture and invite them over to make sushi together.

Now that I know you are asian, I suggest you try Asiatic Russia (Kazakhstan, Etc), would do much better IMO.

I don't know a lot of girls that are into Asian culture, nor do I really about that it, but girls are curious about other cultures.
I simply mentioned that I don't look like a stereotypical American, your assumptions.....

[avantgarde]

If I don't tease, what should I do? Im trying to neg, maybe more negs are reserved for 8 and 9s(=9,10 in a normal scale) Do very subtle negs?

Fuck, I still can't really direct approach girls with 3 seconds seeing her and making eye contact.

[POHammer]

(04-19-2013 06:48 AM)avantgarde Wrote:  

(04-18-2013 11:42 AM)POHammer Wrote:  

Please stop insulting these girls. They take things literally and teasing doesn't work well. This is not America.

Try finding girls who are into asian culture and invite them over to make sushi together.

Now that I know you are asian, I suggest you try Asiatic Russia (Kazakhstan, Etc), would do much better IMO.

I don't know a lot of girls that are into Asian culture, nor do I really about that it, but girls are curious about other cultures.
I simply mentioned that I don't look like a stereotypical American, your assumptions.....

Some other poster mentioned you were asian, so I just assumed it was true.

I hope you are just trolling. If you really are doing negs you are making all foreigners look bad.

Like I said, people take things more literally here.

I once made a joke about working in a plastic factory back home...she thought I was serious, lol. I should have told her I manufactured plastic dildoes.