Quote: (04-09-2013 02:36 PM)ZonZon Wrote:
Quote: (04-09-2013 06:00 AM)amity Wrote:
there are very good reasons why men are wary of women who have slept with upwards of 20 guys, it shows a lack of standards, a lack of judgement, an inability to control one's sexual impulses, all huge red flags if you want to have any serious relationship with that woman,
Are you shitting me? 20 men?!?!? What are you 22 years old? If a beautiful women is 26 - 29 ... I can easily imagine a very attractive, socially effective women being rightfully turned on by 50 men! I can imagine her fucking 25 of them (not the other way around) and being genuinely dissatisfied.
I call that my kind of girl.
I'm going to assume that you're not trolling.
Basically, a woman who is turned on by 50 men is not a whore. That's pretty normal. A woman who fucked the 50 men who turned her on is. Since it's easy for women to get laid, that implies she has
no impulse control or a slew of other problems, all of which makes for terrible maternal instincts.
Women are the gatekeepers of sex. The looser ones do a couple things to fuck with the sexual marketplace. They tend to lower the overall average cost of sex for men with game (hours invested, drinks, etc) and they make marriage a much less attractive option for all the other men.
Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free, or for the "betas",
why buy the cow when it's fat as hell, had 20 dicks in it, and the milk is sour?
Most women with any brains in their heads realize that the sluts are basically traitors to their cause; marriage is usually the best option for a long term career as far as most women are concerned. If most women are slutty, most men aren't going to bother marrying them for two different reasons. It boils down to the fact that there are a minority of men raking in a majority of the quality pussy. What's left is what the "betas" have as a marriage pool, which is much lower quality than it used to be. Even these betas have standards.
So, let's say you're "happily married" to "your kind of girl". What are the odds she's going to fuck her attractive boss if she fucked
every guy who ever turned her on? How well does that bode for your marriage? What if none of your children are yours? A happy marriage could involve a deluded husband and a very clever wife, if that's your thing. I shouldn't even have to cite divorce statistics to show what happens when wives get dissatisfied with their husbands, which happens much more often with women who have slept with a lot of men or women who think they have a lot of options. Whether or not they do doesn't matter, the end result is the same. They divorce.
Quote: (04-10-2013 07:08 AM)ZonZon Wrote:
"How long do you think a sexually liberated women would last in a marriage? Before cashing out too which they tend to do."
I think the ability to SATISFY a woman is a large consideration here. I am happy to read much literature in the PUA community recently about being a better MAN (not horny boy). That is a most encouraging sign!
1 - Think of any truly beautiful - famous or semi-famous woman. You think she has had sex with less than (some magic number 10 - 20?); do you think if such a woman has a lesbian experience or a 3 some she is similarly disqualified from a long term relationship? REALLY - examine your premises, and then make the best decision for you.
2, AND, how is this behavior so TOXIC for society if a female does it, but boys / men that try to get laid 500 times are presumably good?
Dude, fuck the ability to keep your wife happy. You're from America. You should know enough dumbass men who parrot the whole "Happy wife, happy life" slogan and they're pretty much tripping over themselves to please their wives to the detriment of both husband and wife. That shit doesn't work and it never has. The more a husband acquiesces, the more the wife despises his lack of backbone and takes advantage of him. These men are fucking miserable and they hate their lives.
1) Famous women are different because they have a public image to keep up. They also aren't going to fuck random, nonfamous dudes (at least nowhere anyone will know about it). Taylor Swift is a bad example, she's simply retarded. Women tend to get with dudes who have a higher social status than they do and they feel like genetic failures if they don't. That boils down their choice of men to other famous men (or at the very least, rich). They have to try really hard to snag famous dudes because they're competing with a legion of sluts who would fuck him given any possible chance.
2) How is slutty female behavior toxic for society? Well, the difference is that it's hard for a guy to get with many women. They're always going to be there and you can't get rid of them. They also contribute their successful player genes to society via cuckolding.
However, the sluttier the average woman is, the worse wife she makes. The lesser men never get laid and the alphas rake in all the pussy until women get that biological clock ticking at about 28 and feel like raising a family. Naturally, you don't need marriage to have children, but most women would never be able to effectively juggle kids and a job and make sure their children don't grow up to be
fuckup losers. Then you have to think what's going on with all these men who aren't getting laid during this period of time. 10 bucks says they're spending their lives doing what they please, which is playing videogames, doing drugs, hanging out with friends, and only working enough to support themselves. That does not a good father make.
Since marriage has
always been more attractive for women than it ever has for men, even in the age of the dowry, this widespread sluttiness and intolerable wife behavior drives down the amount of successful marriages and the total amount of marriages. Marriage is the backbone of basically every successful civilization. Since men are the gatekeepers of commitment, the success of marriage depends on their willingness to buck up and propose. This depends on how well men are treated in a given society.
In the societies where masculinity is celebrated, men are respected, and the wives feminine and (mostly) monogamous, marriage is much more attractive. There's a lot of men out there who would marry such a woman just so they don't have to bother learning game and they could do something else with their time.
Make it so that a good half of marriages fail, the man loses much of his assets, and his own children are used as hostages to his bank account, and all of a sudden, marriage seems to be a very raw deal. It has always been a raw deal for men (what man wants to work 40 years of his life for ever depreciating pussy), but it's even worse now.
The man works until he's senile to support his family, and the wife pumps out the next generation of positive contributors to society who are raised in a safe environment and learn to do the same successful mating strategy that their parents did. Rinse and repeat. Remove the "magic" of marriage and you're going to have a society that doesn't produce enough kids to replenish it's ranks, and the kids it does produce do not contribute as much to society.
edit: Yeah, it's a long ass post and I wish I could boil it down to about a paragraph, but I'm tired as hell.