[durangotang]

It looks like the SPLC tactic of lumping men's rights activists in with extreme right groups and labeling free speech as "hate speech" is being employed in Nordic countries as well. The following article is written by Henry Laasanen, a citizen of Finland and a blogger in the manosphere:

Antifeminism Might Become Illegal in the Nordic Countries [The Spearhead]

An excerpt from the article:

The Nordic Council has received recommendations from the expert panel to forbid antifeminist speech in the Nordic countries (Denmark, Sweden, Finland, Iceland and Norway).

The “Expert panel” was full of radical feminists and profeminist men.

The report is written in the Nordic languages (except Finnish) and some parts in English.

In the report antifeminist speech and right-wing extremist hate speech towards immigrants are treated as a part of the same movement.

MRM is labeled as part of right-wing extremism.

The report has an English summary (page 35).

1. Antifeminist Threats and Harassment must be made Illegal (We recommend that the Nordic governments ensure that threats and harassment on the basis of gender are made illegal. Hate speech online must be prosecuted similarly to hate speech in other public spheres.)

2. Low threshold services for reporting threats and Harassment must be established (We recommend that the Nordic governments establish a low threshold service for reporting antifeminist and extremist threats and harassment. )

3. Annual national surveys of anti-feminism must be implemented.

4. Research on anti feminism must be prioritized.

5. Increasing equality and anti-discrimination requires the change to Masculinist standards

6. Measures to aid marginalized men and boys should be implemented.

7. Anti-feminism should be part of the Equality officers’ activity area.

8. The press must take care of their responsibilities against antifeminism (The media must ensure that it has the competence to meet extreme actors without legitimising them or their opinions. Editors of online comments’ fields have a special responsibility to ensure that their users are not made targets of threats and harassment, and that xenophobic and antifeminist sentiments are not fuelled or legitimised.)

9. Cooperation on antifeminism between countries and groups must continue.

10. Interdisciplinary Nordic anti-feminist conference should be conducted.

Point number 8 interesting: “Editors of online comments’ fields have a special responsibility to ensure that… xenophobic and antifeminist sentiments are not fuelled or legitimised.” The expert panel wants to treat MRM same as racist hate speech, and Editors of the media must obey.

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[Samseau]

Pretty scary stuff. Just a matter of time before this shit spreads.

[durangotang]

(03-29-2013 03:03 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Pretty scary stuff. Just a matter of time before this shit spreads.

Unfortunately, I agree that this shit will spread. Human nature doesn't change, despite social engineering. If you destroy patriarchal society and the family unit it doesn't mean that need for a father disappears, rather the state becomes the father. Our overly schooled populations in the west remain like children in a vast artificially prolonged childhood and are generally incapable of free thought. Feminists and their ilk are incapable of withstanding open debate and criticism, so like children they run to the state (the father) seeking to use his authority to suppress dissent. Translation: as the manosphere expands, expect feminists and cultural marxists to seek the state to violently suppress dissent. Like children, running to daddy is their natural reaction.

[placer]

It's fucking Orwellian. I mean, there isn't even a definition of what "antifeminist" thinking is; it's as vague as "thoughtcrime". Will it become thoughtcrime there to say "if you want to get laid with a Swedish woman, ignore the advice a woman gives you; act dominant, self-confident, and in control" or "It's natural for a man to want to have sex with multiple partners"? I hope not.

[Tex Pro]

(03-29-2013 03:03 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Pretty scary stuff. Just a matter of time before this shit spreads.

If the time ever comes that shit like this is made legal in the USA, then maybe expating to Russia is an option.

[Teedub]

(03-29-2013 05:40 PM)The Texas Prophet Wrote:  

(03-29-2013 03:03 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Pretty scary stuff. Just a matter of time before this shit spreads.

If the time ever comes that shit like this is made legal in the USA, then maybe expating to Russia is an option.

After reading Vortuka's Russia stuff, I am considering it as a serious option.

[esperar]

Gotta love the fact they just consider us right wingers. 'tards.

[Andy_B]

eh, my attitude toward these kinds of stories is always wait and see. if every crazy law that manosphere blogs suggested "is coming to country X soon" actually got implemented, the site we're posting on probably wouldn't exist.

[kbell]

Nice little blog I found from that spearhead link. The unknown history of misandry. http://unknownmisandry.blogspot.com/

Seems like they dealt really harshly with domestic violence back in the late 1800s too. And they must have had alimony issues back in 1911 as well.

[Mekorig]

Totalitarian sick shit.

[Vicious]

I knew this would make it onto RVF and get inflated.

The proposal has already been shot down by every credible media outlet and political faction that have deigned to comment on it as dictatorial and a self-serving power grab by the so-called expert panel.

There’s zero risk of this even being taken seriously and if anything the "experts" has hurt their cause by actually putting their innermost desires to paper. Thus the thread title is completely misleading.

[Hooligan Harry]

(03-29-2013 05:51 PM)esperar Wrote:  

Gotta love the fact they just consider us right wingers. 'tards.

How can you be a left winger yet dispute feminism bro?

[iknowexactly]

(03-30-2013 12:51 AM)Hooligan Harry Wrote:  

(03-29-2013 05:51 PM)esperar Wrote:  

Gotta love the fact they just consider us right wingers. 'tards.

How can you be a left winger yet dispute feminism bro?

Trying to pigeonhole ideas on complex issues like society and government into "left" and "right" is a pretty severe oversimplificaiton.

I prefer to address each situation and issue on its own merits.

For instance, rather than the rather undefinable issue of whatever feminism is and whether it's good, I'd rather look at something like alimony, which is numerical and definable. You don't get into endless abstract arguments that can never end.

For the sake of argument, if women are regularly getting way more alimony than men under similar circumstances , then maybe that's bad. OF course, maybe alimony should not exist at all.

I don't know enough about it to offer a good opinion, but my point is let's discuss objective issues, physically measurable things, or we waste a lot of time disagreeing about undefined terms.

On the other hand, some guys advocate extremist views, such as women shouldn't go to college. The best healthcare practitioner I've had is a woman, so I'm not on board with what I see as ignorant, reactionary views based on anger at women. Trying to be as stupid as the Saudi's would waste the human potential of women and only hurt them as well as ourselves.

About the OP's concern , I see it in a contrarian way-- the fact someone is hoping to silence MRA speech means someone is actually starting to hear it.

[Hooligan Harry]

But it is that simple. I keep trying top stress this point on here. If you are going to reject feminism, then you are not in a position to call yourself an egalitarian or a lefty at all. The problem is that to be classified as "right wing" has in itself become so offensive to many people that seem to think "right wingers" are all fox news watching ignorant hicks. Or that only old white men could be right wing. There is nothing wrong with being right wing. If you are a sane man with a pair of balls on you, chances are you are prone to be leaning right of centre.

And like it or not, policy has its foundations in philosophy. Which means that it really is as simple as men sucking it up and staying congruent in their system of belief instead of cherry picking the shit they would like to believe.

The simple fact is that feminism is a branch of leftism. Leftism ALWAYS degenerates to the point where censorship becomes mandatory as they ramp up activity to stop any and all real talk. You are dealing with something that is akin to religious indoctrination. That this sort of thing is being discussed in Scandi countries does not come as a surprise. Throughout most western countries now, hate speech is a crime that can see prison time. And hate speech is nothing more than someone deciding what speech was hateful. I have said on here before that if the MRA's are declared hate groups and anti feminism becomes the new "racism", then things are going to spiral quickly. It puts everyone here into the same category as the people who frequent Stormfront or attend La Raza rallies.

Vicious can say what he likes, the reality is that all left leaning countries become more vigilant over time with regards to language. This is what progressives do, the only thing that amazes me is that people are constantly surprised by this.

[Vicious]

(03-30-2013 03:15 AM)Hooligan Harry Wrote:  

Vicious can say what he likes, the reality is that all left leaning countries become more vigilant over time with regards to language. This is what progressives do, the only thing that amazes me is that people are constantly surprised by this.

Uh huh, and how does this manifest itself in anything tangible?

A couple of dingbats getting together for absinthe, musing over how they'd bring about their new world order and putting it in writing is hardly an indication of anything.

[Caligula]

(03-30-2013 03:42 AM)Vicious Wrote:  

(03-30-2013 03:15 AM)Hooligan Harry Wrote:  

Vicious can say what he likes, the reality is that all left leaning countries become more vigilant over time with regards to language. This is what progressives do, the only thing that amazes me is that people are constantly surprised by this.

Uh huh, and how does this manifest itself in anything tangible?

The stunned look on the faces of girls when I say highly politically incorrect things. Followed by their blushing and incredulity induced gina tingles.

[germanico]

So, its not enough to tolerate them, now its illegal to despise them.

Next thing, it will be mandatory to love them.

[Hooligan Harry]

(03-30-2013 03:42 AM)Vicious Wrote:  

(03-30-2013 03:15 AM)Hooligan Harry Wrote:  

Vicious can say what he likes, the reality is that all left leaning countries become more vigilant over time with regards to language. This is what progressives do, the only thing that amazes me is that people are constantly surprised by this.

Uh huh, and how does this manifest itself in anything tangible?

A couple of dingbats getting together for absinthe, musing over how they'd bring about their new world order and putting it in writing is hardly an indication of anything.

What is so hard to understand here?

Have something classified as hate speech, make hate speech a criminal offense, and anything classified as hate speech after that is regarded as a crime. You effectively censor criticism.

The definition of what is classified as hate speech is determined by those who dictate what is considered politically correct language at that time.

That you seem to think feminists are not going to demand protection from "hate speech" eventually shows a great deal of naivete on your side Im afraid. Its inevitable, and we are already seeing MRA's classified as hate groups. Perhaps this group is nothing more than a collection of wingnuts, but conservatives were saying the same thing about the Dworkins of the world 40 years ago too.

THIS IS HOW IT STARTS

You seem to have this major mental malfunction anytime someone mentions Sweden in negative light at all. I know you lean left on most things, and I generally enjoy your posts for the most part, but when it comes to this sort of thing you really do become unreasonable in your defense of Sweden. To actually label the biased horseshit you call "credible media in Sweden" says it all really. You dont have credible media.

[esperar]

(03-30-2013 12:51 AM)Hooligan Harry Wrote:  

(03-29-2013 05:51 PM)esperar Wrote:  

Gotta love the fact they just consider us right wingers. 'tards.

How can you be a left winger yet dispute feminism bro?

I'm neither left or right wing, I'm a political independent. Their labeling us as right wingers is just their way of dismissing what we have to say because in their mind right wingers are evil.

[kosko]

It just became illegal at my school.

Basically now any group that tries to counter Feminist view points as being misandry will be deemed as "hate speech" and banned.

[Vicious]

(03-30-2013 04:25 AM)Hooligan Harry Wrote:  

Have something classified as hate speech, make hate speech a criminal offense, and anything classified as hate speech after that is regarded as a crime. You effectively censor criticism.

What are you talking about? I'm not defending anything, because there's nothing to defend.

The proposal mentioned in the original article is just mental masturbation by some cultural Stalinist. There are no such laws here. It’s not even being looked at by any legislative body. So I’m the one who should ask you what's so hard to understand about this? You are attacking something that doesn't exist. Why are you making this something about me when I keep saying this?

[Woodpecker]

(03-29-2013 05:25 PM)placer Wrote:  

It's fucking Orwellian. I mean, there isn't even a definition of what "antifeminist" thinking is; it's as vague as "thoughtcrime". Will it become thoughtcrime there to say "if you want to get laid with a Swedish woman, ignore the advice a woman gives you; act dominant, self-confident, and in control" or "It's natural for a man to want to have sex with multiple partners"? I hope not.

I agree, deffinately has an 'Orwellian' feel to it

[megatron]

(04-01-2013 03:18 AM)kosko Wrote:  

It just became illegal at my school.

Basically now any group that tries to counter Feminist view points as being misandry will be deemed as "hate speech" and banned.

You're from Scandinavia?

[soup]

I think we should start a movement to make a popularize real-feminism vs. fake feminism. Real feminism is actually good for women, fake feminism is only good for ugly women.

[uni]

Are we gonna let the totalitarian feminism to make us all slaves, so deeply enslaved that we can not even the right of free speech anymore ?

Not even Stalin was not so devilish and dictatorial opressive as the feminists are...