[Captain Ahab]

So they are debating gay marriage at the Supreme Court in my country (U-S-A).

I am all about gay rights in terms of gay folks doing what they want to do...

But, I have an issue with homosexuality, transgender, feminine men, etc....

I think that feminism has unleashed a huge outpouring of sexual identity issues now that women are competing for the masculine place in a relationship, a place men practiced for centuries.

I think the resulting beta-ness in men Vietnam age up to present day has made homosexuality and alternative lifestyles pushed to the point that it is accepted mainstream and any deviation (see PUA/Masculine men) is becoming demonized.

We all know the feminine man is the new "man" of America, and a huge rise of feminine men came about because of the single parent household where women dominated the household and raised boys to be Nice Guys.

I am starting to wonder what is going on with the left in regards to their promotion of homosexuality to the point of exhaustion. Is this a product of feminism? liberalism? the sexual revolution?

Also, and this is more personal, I have made great acquaintances with a lot of people in the gay/lesbian community. I have networked with plenty of gay guys and lesbian girls, bisexuals, transgender...

One thing I noticed is that almost all of them have issues to a certain extent, some minimum, some seriously f-ed up. I know that homosexuality was removed from the DSM, but can we deny the fact that same sex unions are based on something irregular in nature? I know there are instances of homosexuality in the animal kingdom but it is not the norm. Sex, at its root level, gets its thrust from procreation not sperm chomping down on sperm.

What I am worried about is that an abnormality is being pushed down our throats to be seen as the new normal. I am not saying that gays should be demonized. We should allow for sexual orientation without judgement or prejudice;however, I am wondering if the pro-gay movement/propaganda is a little too confident in their position.

Just throwing it out there.

Any takers?

[guerrilla]

why you gotta fight whats gonna happen.

instead.....opportunitize!!!!!

become a divorce attorney$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

dem homos will be divorcing twice as fast as dem breeders, who already divorce at a rate of 60% or so. and homos are on average wealthier than your average american schwag couple.

[Cincinnatus]

It's all about destroying the nuclear family by normalizing homosexuality and demonizing heterosexual procreation as "oppressive" to gays, transgendered, and all women.

The kicker is going to be when the transgender/lesbian/feminist lobby throws gay men under the bus.

[Screwston]

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-21903....hlight=gay

[speakeasy]

Gay marriage is inevitable in the West. But does anyone think this is going to stop when you give them what they want? Did feminists stop when they were given equal rights? No, they became even louder and even more demanding and instead of the end of feminism 1.0, we got feminism 2.0. After gay marriage, you will see a full-on witch hunt to root out homophobia(or perceived so) from ever facet of society. Even asserting masculinity itself will become implicitly homophobic. They will start protesting outside of Catholic and Mormon churches, they will start demanding gay equal pay and fair representation in government. They'll start complaining that there's never been a gay president, and we don't have enough gay studies in schools. Mark my words. The liberals say that once we give marriage rights to gays, the issue will be over and we can go on with our lives. I call BS. We're only seeing the beginning.

[Kona]

Have you ever met a tranny aka mahu that doesn't use meth/crack/heroin?

Did theey really feel like a girl trapped in a boys body all they're lives, or did they smoke so much shit they thought it was a good idea to cut they dick off?

Same with gay guys. For every upstanding gay man you meet, i bet there's another strung out blowing strangers in the alley.

Aloha!

[Hannibal]

God, the whole facebook shitstorm with the "equals sign" profile pic thing is driving me nuts.

Bunch of armchair activists.

I thought it would be really funny if the Supreme Court said today "Fuck it, let's just abolish marriage entirely.".

A bunch of people in my intro poli sci class today were arguing about gay marriage (it's my last "prerequisite").

None of them could come up with cogent arguments, other than making the false comparison between the "separate but equal" civil unions and the way the blacks had it earlier in the 20th century.

Thing is, we're not making the gays drink out of separate water fountains or go to separate schools. Gay marriage also doesn't produce children, which is literally the only reason why marriage came about. Marriage of some form or another was the backbone of every successful civilization that ever came about. It's not that gay marriage will destroy the institution, it's just a sign that these people forgot what marriage was for. It had nothing to do with love. It had to do with making the next generation of ditch diggers and home makers.

As others have said before me, my biggest problem with the gay rights movement is that there are a whole lot of gay men who adopt the lispy high voice and the femmy clothes/body language with the in-your-face attitude. I don't want that becoming the new normal. I already see it a lot with straight dudes.

[greensteelhead]

Having gone through MANDATORY (for all executives, managers, principals and supervisors) diversity training a month ago, I agree with speakeasy completely. We sat in a circle, watch a play about discrimination, and to talk about instances when we witnessed racism and how we felt. Of the facilitator, 10 managers and regional administrator sitting there, only me and another guy challenged the premise that nothing has changed; that America is as racist as it has ever been. I finally asked the questions that were never answered (and never will be answered):

"When is victory acheived?"
"What does it look like?"
"How do we know when victory is achieved?"
"When can we move on from this?"

There is too much "diversity industry" to ever stop and be done. There are no answers to my questions.

For gay rights, It is not enough for their "church" (the State) and their "Pope" (the President) to declare this good....no, it will be about acceptance. That is why they need the blessing of the State, their church.

The next piece of legislation to be dropped into place is the anti-bullying laws. This crap is so general that anyone at any time is guilty of bullying. You cannot speak against something because you are a bully and offending someone. My local newspaper has already started small stories about how the LGBT COMMUNITY and their activists are co-opting this issue. It won't be about young Johnny being picked on at school...it will be about greensteelhead and speakeasy speaking out about the LGBT community and their tactics.

[tpiddy]

I've worked for gay bosses and socialized with plenty of gay people. I think its crazy they want to get married but if they want to why not.

I think the economist put it best

Quote:

It seems odd in an age when divorce, cohabitation and alternative family structures are so common, that the desire of gay people to actually take the binding vows of marriage would be considered a threat. If anything, the desire of gays to participate strikes me as a boon for this declining institution.

[Sombro]

I'm against propositions banning gay marriage as much as I'm against one's for it.

Why should gay marriage be a federal issue?

What happened to 'get government out of the bedroom'?

What happened to separation of church and state?

I wouldn't give a shit if people weren't so loudly hypocritical.

[Cincinnatus]

(03-27-2013 09:33 PM)Sombro Wrote:  

What happened to separation of church and state?

I've been wondering this for years, regarding the issue of gay marriage. Why is marriage a government issue at all?

[wi30]

[le prince perdu]

Yeah man I hear you

I've never really understood the all transgender thing about being "normal".
why would a human being go as far as remove an important part of the one and only body he has voluntarily?

There is absolutely no logic behind such a decision and calling It normal or it's "a girl in a boy's body" is ridiculous.

A girl cannot be trapped in a boy's body, the mind and the body are one
The hormones and the genetic make up are the things that make a female, there is no female if all the cells that make up a female body are not there.

Well at least I know that in a a couple of years or so, when real men will be reduced to almost nothing, all the men who listen and decided to hit the gym, read books, improve their lifestyle will have the time of their lives.

[scotian]

I personally don't give a shit about gays or their causes, I'm not pro-gay marriage but think its inevitable, the thing that annoys me is that I can't watch a movie or TV show without seeing some kind of gay acts or homoerotic innuendo. The pro gay lobby goes too far with this shit, even teaching kindergarten kids about gay tolerance, WTF does a five year old have to learn about gays?

I like the approach that they take in SE Asia, there's gays and trannies everywhere but they aren't harassed, they're actually well integrated into the society but as far as I know, especially in the Philippines, they aren't lobbying for the right to marry or adopt.

[speakeasy]

(03-27-2013 10:22 PM)scotian Wrote:  

I like the approach that they take in SE Asia, there's gays and trannies everywhere but they aren't harassed, they're actually well integrated into the society but as far as I know, especially in the Philippines, they aren't lobbying for the right to marry or adopt.

That's exactly how I feel. Society is fine with them. In Thailand they even have pageants. Homophobia isn't much of an issue there. And even though there's no gay marriage, the gays there seem happy, nobody is bothering them and most importantly, they aren't radicalized like our gays in the West.

My guess is that because we had such terrible treatment of gays in the past, it forced them to politicize their homosexuality and to become arrogant and vindictive. Maybe they are trying to make up for the Stonewall riots and all that happened before them. In SE Asia, there may not have been that long history of anti-gay sentiment so homosexuality was seen as more of a way of life, not a political cause celebre. Plus, I noticed in Thailand, things like male-to-male affectionate touch even between straight men is not frowned upon nor seen as sexual. Maybe they just have a healthier way of dealing with things than we ever did. Look at this:

[BurnFirst]

I couldn't give a shit if gays get married or not, on the other hand I don't think it's important enough to be given this level of attention.

It's really IMO being used as a distraction mechanism as well as a way to divide and conquer the masses, just like abortion or other such bullshit. And of course everyone takes the bait because they are mostly a bunch of fucking idiots.

For example the executive branch has a policy to assassinate US citizens now with no due process, yet this is what the Supreme Court, MSM, and everyone else is focused on. Machiavellian.

'Transgendered' people however are mentally ill and need treatment, not acceptance.

[greensteelhead]

+1 Burnfist....never mind North Korea winding up to take a punch, never mind that the people of Cyprus are getting robbed to prop up the bankers, never mind that the US is still got our dick in a nasty hole called Afghanistan, never mind that "the recovery" still is flatline, never mind that many countries are seriously in debt....I could go on.

No...never mind, we HAVE to talk about gay rights.

Ok, so pass that shit and then let them crank up the next stage, the next version. It is never enough until you are dead and buried, and they still tax your shit.

[Gator]

Gay marriage might be the most SWPL political topic. I'm starting to think hetero SWPLs care more about gay marriage than gay folks themselves. SWPLs live to feel good about themselves.

[CaP7]

(03-27-2013 07:17 PM)Captain Ahab Wrote:  

So they are debating gay marriage at the Supreme Court in my country (U-S-A).

I am all about gay rights in terms of gay folks doing what they want to do...

But, I have an issue with homosexuality, transgender, feminine men, etc....

I think that feminism has unleashed a huge outpouring of sexual identity issues now that women are competing for the masculine place in a relationship, a place men practiced for centuries.

I think the resulting beta-ness in men Vietnam age up to present day has made homosexuality and alternative lifestyles pushed to the point that it is accepted mainstream and any deviation (see PUA/Masculine men) is becoming demonized.

We all know the feminine man is the new "man" of America, and a huge rise of feminine men came about because of the single parent household where women dominated the household and raised boys to be Nice Guys.

I am starting to wonder what is going on with the left in regards to their promotion of homosexuality to the point of exhaustion. Is this a product of feminism? liberalism? the sexual revolution?

Also, and this is more personal, I have made great acquaintances with a lot of people in the gay/lesbian community. I have networked with plenty of gay guys and lesbian girls, bisexuals, transgender...

One thing I noticed is that almost all of them have issues to a certain extent, some minimum, some seriously f-ed up. I know that homosexuality was removed from the DSM, but can we deny the fact that same sex unions are based on something irregular in nature? I know there are instances of homosexuality in the animal kingdom but it is not the norm. Sex, at its root level, gets its thrust from procreation not sperm chomping down on sperm.

What I am worried about is that an abnormality is being pushed down our throats to be seen as the new normal. I am not saying that gays should be demonized. We should allow for sexual orientation without judgement or prejudice;however, I am wondering if the pro-gay movement/propaganda is a little too confident in their position.

Just throwing it out there.

Any takers?

I've noticed this as well. My theory is that when you expose children to sex too early, via abuse or otherwise, it leaves you vulnerable to homosexuality. It's just a theory based on the gay people that I've known (less than 10, but all talked openly about their past).

I also theorize that there are other behavioral issues that could affect factors for homosexuality. Pretty sure that we could all agree that if this was seriously studied, the study would be shot down immediately by the gay mafia.

Personally, I stopped caring. I don't like attention whores and I deal with them by ignoring. If you cry wolf too many times, the story will get old and die. Eventually society (socially and culturally) will stop catering to homosexuals and find something else to serve the false martyr complex, meant maintain a general sense of fear in all of us little people.

Oh yeah, states should decide who gets to marry, via a vote of the people. Not a gay judge, i.e. California. Gays can move to their favorite states, just like stoners and people who like concealed weapons. If it's that important to you...prove it and move.

[soup]

(03-27-2013 09:46 PM)MSW2007 Wrote:  

(03-27-2013 09:33 PM)Sombro Wrote:  

What happened to separation of church and state?

I've been wondering this for years, regarding the issue of gay marriage. Why is marriage a government issue at all?

Amen. Marriage should be private, not public.

All of these marriage assholes, gay and straight, are attention whoring and trying to take money from single people.

[Captain Ahab]

Awesome responses.

I know for a fact that in going out on a limb to speak out against gay marriage (or feminine men in general) will leave me marginalized so I'll accept the system and keep my mouth shut.

I just find it sad that heterosexual men are attacked so much in our media, culture, and everyday life.

I guess there is one potential benefit. I noticed all the guys younger than me for the most part are feminized to the point of exhaustion. When I walk into the bar with my muscles, beard, and macho style I get a lot of head turns.

Politics is one thing Biology is another.

[Lazarus]

Gays are a bunch of attention whores. As long as people (read media) keep paying attention to them then they will keep demanding more attention through ever increasing whining and faux victimisation. The media loves gay stories because they piss of conservatives and Christians (and more importantly distract people from the bankers stealing everything not nailed down, which is what the media owners want) so the media will continue running gay stories.

[Hannibal]

(03-28-2013 02:42 AM)soup Wrote:  

Amen. Marriage should be private, not public.

All of these marriage assholes, gay and straight, are attention whoring and trying to take money from single people.

Never thought of it that way. Now that you mention it, married people get more time off (statistically), they tend to make more money, and they get tax breaks.

Although, they may make more money because they have a wife and kids to feed at home, so they're more likely to ask for a promotion or a pay raise.

[BlurredSevens]

"When you're born, you get a ticket to the freak show. When you're born in America, you get a front-row seat." - George Carlin

[iknowexactly]

(03-28-2013 03:38 AM)Captain Ahab Wrote:  

I know for a fact that in going out on a limb to speak out against gay marriage (or feminine men in general) will leave me marginalized so I'll accept the system and keep my mouth shut.

Politics is one thing Biology is another.

Good strategy: "Appear dumb but be smart"
Or as Sun Tzu put it, " Appear weak when you are strong."

Don't confront the status quo directly, just look good!!