[TheCaptainPower]

Growing up in the 80's and 90's, I remember the public schools in NYC forcing us to take sensitivity training regarding black people.

There I was sitting with my two best friends, one born in Italy, and the other born in China, writing essay after essay about slavery in the United States. On black history month I wrote a 5 page paper on Washington Carver and the peanut.

Back in the 80's and early 90's black sensitivity was at its highest, you couldn't get away with ANY type of jokes regarding black culture. Times were tense, we had the Rodney King riots, the riots in Crown Heights, Brooklyn, and I remember Al Sharpton marching down 18th ave in Bensonhurst.

TODAY? I'm in shock with what people say sometimes. I love watching shows like Tosh.o, family guy, and South Park, and they make black jokes on a regular basis.

Black jokes are now being allowed. But what has taken its place? Gay sensitivity....

GOD forbid you make a gay joke today. I wrote a recent blog entry that said it was "gay" in Texas that the bars close at 2am, and about 5 people emailed me saying that it wasn't very "sensitive". Of course I didn't mean it as a sexual reference, it was a damn joke.

I have 2 gay friends in Brooklyn and I am always complaining to them about the gay pride parade in the city. I always said that if the gay community wants to be taken serious that they have to stop that bullshit with the leather chaps, and pants with the missing ass checks. The gay pride parade looks like a gay orgy to me, i would never in a million years take my future kids to see it.

If you think feminism is bad, I dare you, DARE you to criticise anything about the gay rights movement.

I DARE you tell them that they shouldn't promote promisicuity (especially man to man)
I DARE you you tell them that anal sex is not safe
I DARE you to accuse them of making their voices artificially higher pitched that it really is

I won't do it in public, you know why?

Because being gay is now the new black...

[Ovid]

In 2003 when the Episcopalians ordained a gay bishop, it was, of course, pretty controversial. I remember the local bishop came to town to try to calm folks down and re-educate them. His means to this end was to bring a black 'theologian' along, who proceeded to tell everyone that they needed to accept their moral leaders having gay sex, because they couldn't help it and it was the way God made them, blah blah blah. He then spent 45 minutes talking about how hard blacks fought for civil rights, and how evil racism was, and how downtrodden blacks were, and concluded by insinuating that anyone who was opposed to their pastor being a flaming queer was really a racist.

Crazy times we live in...

[thegmanifesto]

(03-27-2013 08:13 PM)TheCaptainPower Wrote:  

GOD forbid you make a gay joke today. I wrote a recent blog entry that said it was "gay" in Texas that the bars close at 2am, and about 5 people emailed me saying that it wasn't very "sensitive". Of course I didn't mean it as a sexual reference, it was a damn joke.

Wait, 5 people from here emailed you for that comment?

[j r]

No. Feminism has taken the place that multiculturalism had twenty years ago. Sure, gays want the right to marry and live openly, but they are nowhere near as humorless as feminists. Some of the least politically correct people that I've met have been gay men.

By the way, American kids should be learning about slavery in school. It's not just black history; it's American history.

[Screwston]

I still talk shit about gays and say faggot about someone who's acting stupid. It's only a big deal online or with SWPL/liberal people.

[TheCaptainPower]

@thegmanifesto Not from RVF, on my blog. Random readers..

@JR slavery is a whole number forum topic. I don't mind learning about it, but hate having to apologize for something I had nothing to do with. My relatives were in Europe : )

The whole idea of designating February "black history" month is racist to begin with.

Like I said my two best friends growing up, one born in Italy, one in China, and at age 7 they were like "what the fuck is black history month?"

But seriously, its almost impossible to critisize the gay community today. I find a dude in chaps to be disgusting, if I say it in public I am quoted as being "homephobic" I couldnt care less if you want to get married, just don't want to see your ass cheeks...

[TheCaptainPower]

At the NYC pride parade they have dudes with no shirt on, wearing fairy wings, cut off jean shorts with ass cheeks sticking out, and on roller skates. Then they go "we aren't taken serious!!!!"

Would you take your kids to that parade????

[Screwston]

(03-27-2013 09:54 PM)TheCaptainPower Wrote:  

At the NYC pride parade they have dudes with no shirt on, wearing fairy wings, cut off jean shorts with ass cheeks sticking out, and on roller skates. Then they go "we aren't taken serious!!!!"

Would you take your kids to that parade????

I thought you participated in the parade since you're always posting up half naked pictures of yourself on here

[Kingsley Davis]

The clip's kinda shitty but relevant and besides it's Bill Burr.

[j r]

(03-27-2013 09:47 PM)TheCaptainPower Wrote:  

@JR slavery is a whole number forum topic. I don't mind learning about it, but hate having to apologize for something I had nothing to do with. My relatives were in Europe : )

Were you actually forced to write apologies on school? If so, then yes, that's absurd. Collective guilt is garbage.

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The whole idea of designating February "black history" month is racist to begin with.

You lost me there. What's racist about an ethnicity celebrating its history? Especially when that ethnicity had its history systematically ignored for so long. The key is to think of it in terms of ethnicity as opposed to race. Would you be offended by an Italian history month or an Irish history month? Are you offended by the Columbus and St. Patrick's Day parades?

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But seriously, its almost impossible to critisize the gay community today. I find a dude in chaps to be disgusting, if I say it in public I am quoted as being "homephobic" I couldnt care less if you want to get married, just don't want to see your ass cheeks...

Again, I disagree. This is American. You can criticize whomever you want. People may take issue with it, but that's part of free speech. Also, I don't see anywhere near the sensitivity about gay stuff as I do about feminist stuff. For example, here's a classic from The Onion: http://www.theonion.com/articles/gayprid...gays,351/. I don't remember anyone getting up in arms about it.

[Joga Bonito]

On one hand it is a bit ironic that Blacks have an almost vitriolic hate for the gay rights movements since it is so analogous to what they went through during the civil rights movement. On the other hand, it isn't so surprising since the church and conservatism are staples in the community as a whole.

[speakeasy]

(03-27-2013 10:13 PM)iWin Wrote:  

On one hand it is a bit ironic that Blacks have an almost vitriolic hate for the gay rights movements since it is so analogous to what they went through during the civil rights movement. On the other hand, it isn't so surprising since the church and conservatism are staples in the community as a whole.

I wouldn't say black Americans have a hateful vitriol towards gays. Jamaican blacks on the other hand is another story.

Blacks are more homophobic than whites on average, but I think that's a merely a function of black culture being more machismo than white culture.

Edit--

I heard something for the first time on public radio today. They were discussing the Supreme Court case and one activist spokesperson said she finds the phrase "opposite sex" to be offensive. She feels that it's polarizing that women and men should be thought of as opposites and gender identity can't be constrained by such terms.



I just can't believe what I'm hearing sometimes.

[azulsombra]

(03-27-2013 10:54 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

(03-27-2013 10:13 PM)iWin Wrote:  

On one hand it is a bit ironic that Blacks have an almost vitriolic hate for the gay rights movements since it is so analogous to what they went through during the civil rights movement. On the other hand, it isn't so surprising since the church and conservatism are staples in the community as a whole.

I wouldn't say black Americans have a hateful vitriol towards gays. Jamaican blacks on the other hand is another story.

Blacks are more homophobic than whites on average, but I think that's a merely a function of black culture being more machismo than white culture.

This.

[Ovid]

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You lost me there. What's racist about an ethnicity celebrating its history? Especially when that ethnicity had its history systematically ignored for so long. The key is to think of it in terms of ethnicity as opposed to race. Would you be offended by an Italian history month or an Irish history month? Are you offended by the Columbus and St. Patrick's Day parades?

Columbus Day is just slightly relevant, since it commemorates Western Europe finding out about the New World and and setting out to settle, colonize, civilize, and conquer it, which, whether we like it or not, pretty much marks the start of the Americas as we know them, and is a fairly huge deal. St. Patrick's day is an (originally) religious holiday celebrated principally among the Irish, and everyone who lives around or admires or is descended from them.

Black history month, on the other hand, is a purely novel designation to make white SWPLs (and maybe some blacks) feel good. There should be, in fairness, a White history month, a Semitic history month, a Red history month, (for American Indians) and a Yellow history month (for Asians) too. Otherwise, it's just racist singling-out of one minority for political purposes.

Nobody has some "right" to be remembered and talked about in history. History is a written record of important stuff that's happened in the past. That usually means leaders, the battles they fought, and the lasting and important changes they made. Prominence in historical records and studies is biased towards those events and men whose actions have more directly affected our lives today.

For most of recorded history, sub-Saharan Africans were living in objectively-primitive tribal societies which valued other things more than writing things down. Consequently, there is not that much history associated with them, and most of it has little relevance for anything outside of purely local matters, because the African tribes did not form strong states, turn into empires, and conquer large swaths of the world like, say, the Europeans, Arabs, Chinese, etc. And the blacks who came to the USA were not, in general, great leaders, but captured slaves, who were used for physical labor here, and whose descendants have formed a lower-class level of society. Not the people who typically become movers and shakers in history. Therefore, we should not be surprised when not a lot of attention is given to the great historical contributions of American Blacks, simply because, until relatively recently, they have not been of sufficient number or import to be very noticeable.

[Therapsid]

(03-27-2013 11:22 PM)Ovid Wrote:  

For most of recorded history, sub-Saharan Africans were living in objectively-primitive tribal societies which valued other things more than writing things down. Consequently, there is not that much history associated with them, and most of it has little relevance for anything outside of purely local matters, because the African tribes did not form strong states, turn into empires, and conquer large swaths of the world like, say, the Europeans, Arabs, Chinese, etc. And the blacks who came to the USA were not, in general, great leaders, but captured slaves, who were used for physical labor here, and whose descendants have formed a lower-class level of society. Not the people who typically become movers and shakers in history. Therefore, we should not be surprised when not a lot of attention is given to the great historical contributions of American Blacks, simply because, until relatively recently, they have not been of sufficient number or import to be very noticeable.

Well, I guess we have to say that gay can't be the new black yet so long as threads like this are still hijacked to argue about race issues.

[j r]

(03-27-2013 11:22 PM)Ovid Wrote:  

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You lost me there. What's racist about an ethnicity celebrating its history? Especially when that ethnicity had its history systematically ignored for so long. The key is to think of it in terms of ethnicity as opposed to race. Would you be offended by an Italian history month or an Irish history month? Are you offended by the Columbus and St. Patrick's Day parades?

Columbus Day is just slightly relevant, since it commemorates Western Europe finding out about the New World and and setting out to settle, colonize, civilize, and conquer it, which, whether we like it or not, pretty much marks the start of the Americas as we know them, and is a fairly huge deal. St. Patrick's day is an (originally) religious holiday celebrated principally among the Irish, and everyone who lives around or admires or is descended from them.

Black history month, on the other hand, is a purely novel designation to make white SWPLs (and maybe some blacks) feel good. There should be, in fairness, a White history month, a Semitic history month, a Red history month, (for American Indians) and a Yellow history month (for Asians) too. Otherwise, it's just racist singling-out of one minority for political purposes.

Nobody has some "right" to be remembered and talked about in history. History is a written record of important stuff that's happened in the past. That usually means leaders, the battles they fought, and the lasting and important changes they made. Prominence in historical records and studies is biased towards those events and men whose actions have more directly affected our lives today.

For most of recorded history, sub-Saharan Africans were living in objectively-primitive tribal societies which valued other things more than writing things down. Consequently, there is not that much history associated with them, and most of it has little relevance for anything outside of purely local matters, because the African tribes did not form strong states, turn into empires, and conquer large swaths of the world like, say, the Europeans, Arabs, Chinese, etc. And the blacks who came to the USA were not, in general, great leaders, but captured slaves, who were used for physical labor here, and whose descendants have formed a lower-class level of society. Not the people who typically become movers and shakers in history. Therefore, we should not be surprised when not a lot of attention is given to the great historical contributions of American Blacks, simply because, until relatively recently, they have not been of sufficient number or import to be very noticeable.

You're talking out of your ass. When black history month was devised, there wasn't even any such thing as a SWPL.

Like I said the key is to realize that it's about black Americans as an ethnicity not about blacks as a race. People of European ethnicities almost never get shit for celebrating their history. I've never heard Irish people getting shir for celebrating being Irish on St. Patrick's Day. But for some reason, the idea of black history month is so threatening that it elicits claims of racism.

[NY Digital]

(03-27-2013 11:35 PM)j r Wrote:  

You're talking out of your ass. When black history month was devised, there wasn't even any such thing as a SWPL.

Like I said the key is to realize that it's about black Americans as an ethnicity not about blacks as a race. People of European ethnicities almost never get shit for celebrating their history. I've never heard Irish people getting shir for celebrating being Irish on St. Patrick's Day. But for some reason, the idea of black history month is so threatening that it elicits claims of racism.

Cause it's extremely racist...

[Joga Bonito]

(03-27-2013 10:54 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

(03-27-2013 10:13 PM)iWin Wrote:  

On one hand it is a bit ironic that Blacks have an almost vitriolic hate for the gay rights movements since it is so analogous to what they went through during the civil rights movement. On the other hand, it isn't so surprising since the church and conservatism are staples in the community as a whole.

I wouldn't say black Americans have a hateful vitriol towards gays. Jamaican blacks on the other hand is another story.

Blacks are more homophobic than whites on average, but I think that's a merely a function of black culture being more machismo than white culture.

You're probably right, and vitriol maybe too strong a word. However, there is still a latent hate for homosexuality amongst a good majority of the black community. Going beyond male machismo, 75% of Black women still voted to uphold a ban on gay marriage in Cali in 2008. I guess another factor would be that many Blacks don't feel sympathy since many gays hid their sexual orientation as long as it was socially, economically and politically beneficial to do so. After all if you're Black you cant exactly conceal your race in a closet when it's convenient to do so.

[Ovid]

(03-27-2013 11:29 PM)Therapsid Wrote:  

Well, I guess we have to say that gay can't be the new black yet so long as threads like this are still hijacked to argue about race issues.

Not a hijack. A comparison between gay issues and race issues is evoked by the thread title and original post. That implies discussion of those respective issues.

j_r Wrote:

You're talking out of your ass. When black history month was devised, there wasn't even any such thing as a SWPL.

I personally could really care less about race issues, in themselves. I'm not racist, nobody I know is racist in any true sense, and I've never encountered any reason to be racist. I just believe in calling out crap when I see it, and my bullshit-o-meter starts going off when I hear rationalizations for stuff like "black history month" and people claiming that it's not racist. Sure, I get that the whole point is to "make up" for past racism, but that just continues the problem. Thanks to propaganda like this, SWPLs who have never owned a slave, whose ancestors probably didn't own slaves, or if they did, did so a dozen generations ago, feel obliged to grovel and apologize for their evil skin color and heritage, and make everyone else do so to, and poor blacks whose major world knowledge comes from SWPL-controlled mainstream media have an attitude that whites ought to be groveling. This just perpetuates hard feelings on all sides, and makes an issue which should have been laid to rest in 1865 or shortly thereafter still a major thorn in everyone's side today.

I have no doubt that most white liberals would consider me a heretical racist scumbag for daring to criticize the concept of black history month, but ironically, I'm much more 'diversity-loving' and open-minded on the subject than they are. They criticize racism as unfairly lauding one race while looking down on another with broad generalizations, but they turn around and do the same thing, only lauding the formerly-discriminated-against race and generalizing and condemning the other. I, on the other hand, believe that if we must live in a multicultural, multiethnic, multiracial society, let's get on with it properly and stop obsessing about race. Trying to right historical wrongs that nobody alive today committed or suffered from simply breeds resentment and a victim mentality, and perpetuates the problem. There are always going to be ignorant people who automatically look down on those who are different, and sometimes this is warranted, but the us vs. them mentality is unnecessary and did not really exist until race provocateurs created it.

[kinjutsu]

Soon very soon i predict you'll get in trouble for simply stating you aren't into having cock in your ass or your mouth.
It'll get twisted around like stating you dont date fat girls...

[bacon]

I would say the OP is correct, being gay is now the new protected class like blacks are. This is why the word faggot is being treated the same way as saying nigger.

[Major Tom]

I think Ralphie May said it best: If you can take a dick up the ass, you can damn sure take a joke. People need to lighten the fuck up and stop with the PC circlejerk. I would obviously never use pejorative terms like "nigger" or "fag" to provoke the people they are meant to offend, unless they said or did something to truly deserve it. Those epithets are usually reserved for use in the company of friends--you know who your real friends are when you can make fun of each other with the most "offensive" language, and just laugh it off together afterwards.

[soup]

[TheCaptainPower]

Its only a matter of time before we have "gay history month". Children will have to write essays on Elton John and Eleanor Roosevelt.....

[j r]

(03-28-2013 12:51 AM)bacon Wrote:  

I would say the OP is correct, being gay is now the new protected class like blacks are. This is why the word faggot is being treated the same way as saying nigger.

Word. Blacks are a "protected class." That's why there are so many black men in prison. They are being protected.