[Vacancier Permanent]

Loving the intel from the ground you guys are posting! Keep'em coming!

One thing that is very efficient in China is to go to McDonalds' and sit besides a cutie that you fancy and open her asking her for help with figuring out the wifi password. Two key factors that make this an almost flawless tactic in China are that 1) the hotties love to go to Mcdos, Starbucks and other foreign places as China is all about status and b) these places are so full that it's near impossible to find an empty table so it's no problem sitting on an empty chair in a table full of people?

How would this work in Japan? Not just in McDos but in Starbucks, cafés etc?

[RawGod]

In Japan, you have to sign up to a provider like Softbank to use the wifi in McDo and Starbucks. So there's no plausible excuse not to know the password.

The classic coffee shop opener is to have a text message on your phone and ask the girl to help you with a difficult kanji. Of course, it turns out that the text you show them is a flirty one.

McDo isn't prestigious in Japan like it seems to be in China. You can find cute girls there, of course, but Starbucks is better and I found bakery-style coffee shops the best. Go to one in the middle of the day and there are always girls alone, twiddling their smartphones.

Sargon, I've never been to China but I'm very interested. Given that I love the immaculate style of Japanese women, would I be disappointed? Or have girls in China's big cities almost caught up in dress and grooming?

[Vacancier Permanent]

Ok good to know about wifi password opener not working in Japan.
Girls in China, at least in Guangzhou and I assume the rest of the 1st tier cities (Beijing, Shanghai, Shenzen and Guangzhou) are pretty fashionable. Mind you, not at the level of the Japanese girls but they are getting there.

(04-08-2013 10:18 PM)RawGod Wrote:  

In Japan, you have to sign up to a provider like Softbank to use the wifi in McDo and Starbucks. So there's no plausible excuse not to know the password.

The classic coffee shop opener is to have a text message on your phone and ask the girl to help you with a difficult kanji. Of course, it turns out that the text you show them is a flirty one.

McDo isn't prestigious in Japan like it seems to be in China. You can find cute girls there, of course, but Starbucks is better and I found bakery-style coffee shops the best. Go to one in the middle of the day and there are always girls alone, twiddling their smartphones.

Sargon, I've never been to China but I'm very interested. Given that I love the immaculate style of Japanese women, would I be disappointed? Or have girls in China's big cities almost caught up in dress and grooming?

[Sargon of Akkad]

(04-08-2013 10:18 PM)RawGod Wrote:  

Sargon, I've never been to China but I'm very interested. Given that I love the immaculate style of Japanese women, would I be disappointed? Or have girls in China's big cities almost caught up in dress and grooming?

Chances are your first impressions would not be the best, as a large chunk of Chinese girls still have an extremely tacky sense of fashion, in my opinion. Think late eighties and early nineties with an additional kitch overload to get an idea. There are certainly girls in Chinese cities who dress well, but they're harder to find than in Japan. After a couple weeks, however, you should be used to the Chinese sense of fashion, I think.

On a side note, there's also a certain type of walk that you'll see frequently in China. Basically, it's when a girl drags her feet like she's wearing shoes made of led while staring off into space. There's a bit of a penguin wobble to it, as well. Mind you, not all girls walk like that but it's common and so recognizable that if you see a girl doing this from a block away, even if you can't see her face, you can still be pretty sure she's from mainland China.

I don't want to sound like I'm doggging China, though. I love the place, and Beijing is absolutely full of sexy and attractive women, but the PRC is the complete opposite of Japan in many ways.

[Sargon of Akkad]

(04-08-2013 10:38 PM)Vacancier Permanent Wrote:  

Ok good to know about wifi password opener not working in Japan.

You can still use the password opener in Japan. I just opened a girl last week using it and it worked just fine. As a clueless foreigner, it looks like you're permitted to ask stupid questions.

[memcpy]

(04-08-2013 08:00 PM)Sargon of Akkad Wrote:  

Two Typical Approaches at Namba and Shinsaibashi

More Nampa Guys

In the name of all that's holy, I cannot understand how these Nampa guys can suck so badly. I saw more of them lurking around SSB and Kyobashi yesterday. They get blown out immediately on a nearly consistant basis. How the fuck is this possible? I mean, they show comittment, and I can understand if you occasionally encounter the rude girl who doesn't want to talk to you, but how retarded do you have to be to realize that if your getting blown out nearly every time there's something about your tactics you need to change?

I mean, how hard can it possibly be to start a simple conversation and at least keep a girl's attention for five minutes in a big city? It really isn't be that difficult. There are tourists everywhere: If going direct doesn't work, ask for directions, ask someone to take a picture of you, engage in basic chitchat and see how far you can proceed beyond. This...this doesn't take fucking Jedi-mind tricks, you just need *basic* human interaction skills.

I'm walking down the street and suddenly this guy springs out of nowhere like some Vietkong guerilla ambush next to these two girls walking next to me. He basically leans into the ear of one of them and they both back away chuckling with their hands in front of them politely declining until he gives up. Not so much as a second later, he leans into some other girl's face, who's talking on her phone. She speeds past him and ignores him completely. This is hillarious. Maybe I should be glad they're not doing this in coffee shops or asking directions, otherwise that'd mean more trouble for me. Basically, in my experience, it is not hard to avoid being called out for nampa, just don't act like these guys.

Sometimes they are host scouts , looking for talent in their hostess clubs. Their job is to basically get a number and thats it. I talked with a few of these people and the average person pulls a number after about 20 or 30 street approaches like the one you mentioned. Every now and then I will see a girl actually stop and listen to their shitty game, and I can tell they are DTF , but they are just collecting numbers. They almost never do approaches in bookstores, coffee shops, grocery, etc. So you are good to go in those places.

These dudes play the numbers game to the extreme, so even though their game is shitty and sometimes they ugly as fuck, they will eventually get a number from a cute hottie (which usually goes nowhere). I kinda respect them on that level of commitment. Most of the time they approach only the hottest girls walking around 7,8s 9s.

[Sargon of Akkad]

Been a while since my last update. Here's an overview of some random approaches from the past few days...

Mio (Umeda　梅田, Kitashinchi　北新地)

Opened a girl while walking around Umedia near Hep5; looks stunning from behind, but just a so-so face (6/10). I open by asking her how to get to Kitashinchi.
"Sumimasen, Kita Chosen ha doko desuka?　Chikai?　すみません。北朝鮮はどこですか？近い？" (Excuse me, where is North Korea? Is it close?
She responds with a look like "holy shit!"
Realising what I've just said, I correct myself: Ah, gomen, gomen! Kita-shinchi! Ah ごめんごめん、北新地！(Ah, sorry, sorry! Kitashinchi). I had recently been practicing by watching the news; constant references to North Korea (Japanese: Kita Chôsen 北朝鮮)recently.
She answers: O, bikkuri shita! Isshoni ikimashouka? びっくりした！一緒に行きましょうか？（O, scared me! Shall we go together?)　We spend about 15 minutes walking to Kitashinchi Station 北新地駅 together. She seems to be really into Europe and N. America, saying repeatedly she wants to go there (makes references to "ドイツのそせーじ”/"German sausage"). At KSC station, she says she has to get back (she literally walked with me for almost 20 minutes in the opposite direction she had to go). I get her number and email address (name's Mio).

Maika (Starbucks at Kyôbashi)
I'm sitting at Starbucks and I see girl walk in. Beautiful legs, great face, cute ass. The moment she passes by, my dick undergoes a metamorphasis from human flesh to pure titanium. I need a bib to stop the drool from my mouth from dripping on the floor (9/10 in my book). I think for a moment on how to approach her, and I decide to use an old opener from back in Beijing. I go to the counter to order another cup of coffee and when I go back I sit down next to her, asking -- in bad Japanese -- if I can draw her, since I need practice drawing women. She smiles and says "sure. Is it ok if I keep working on my laptop?" in some of the best English I've heard from a Japanese, so far. At that time, I hadn't drawn regularly since Beijing, so I was more than a bit rusty, but we chat anyway.

英語は上手ですね。アメリカに行ったことある？Eigo ha jôzu desune. Amerika ni itta koto aru?"（Your English is good. Have you ever been to America?)

She says she studied in Nebraska for a year when she was in Middle School. She speaks English in an almost flawless American accent (the sexy kind, not the annoying kind).

Eventually the conversation moves towards my time in China. I mention I majored in Chinese. She asks for me to speak some.
I say: “我已经学汉语四五年多，但是我只学日语一年半，所以我的中文比我的日语好多 (I've learned Chinese for four or five years, but I've only learned Japanese for a year and a half, so my Chinese is much better than my Japanese)."
She responds: “真的吗？(really?)."
“啊！？你会说中文!” Ah!? You can speak Chinese!
"对啊，15岁的时候我去台湾留学， 但是我没说中文4年多。Yeah that's right, I went to Taiwan to study abroad when I was fifteen, but I haven't spoken Chinese in over four years" she says in an almost perfect Taiwanese accent.

As a language fan, I absolutely LOVE hot girls who speak multiple languages. We continue the rest of the conversation switching betwen English, Japanese and Mandarin.

When I'm done, I hand her the drawing and we continue talking. "Give me your number and email," I say.

She smiles and says "umm...actually...I have a boyfriend, and he really wouldn't be happy with me exchanging numbers with other guys. I'm sorry.
"God fucking damnit," I think to myself, but I smile and shrug: "Oh well...then I guess not."
She says: "I'm sorry. I'm really sorry."
”don't worry about it"
"I'm really, really sorry." I keep saying it's fine and she keeps apologizing.
We leave Starbucks together and continue talking for a while, parting after a few minutes. Now that I think of it, maybe I should've been more psistant. Oh well.

Minami (Shinsaibashi, near Amerikamura)
I'm at Dotombori Bridge trying to find my way to Amerikamura アメリカ村, a major fashion center in Osaka. Across from the S. Korean Consulate I see this fine girl dressed in black walking towards me (probably 8.5/10). I stop her and ask where Amemura is. She gives me directions and I continue chatting her up, babbling about how big Osaka is and how I've only been here for three weeks. She asks where I from along with the typical bullshit questions. Eventually, I ask her if she's a student.
She responds: 違う。主婦です。Chigau. Shufu desu. No, I'm a
housewife. We part shortly thereafter.

Chinese girl (Dotonbori bridge).

I walk past a cute girl heading for Dotonbori bridge. I decide to open her when I get to the bride with the old camera trick.

"Scuse me, can you take a picture of me?" I ask in Japanese.
Before I can finish my sentence, she ignores me, mumbling something in Japanese with a Chinese acccent.　This is my first blowout in Osaka.

Asami (Starbucks at Shinsaibashi)
I walk into another Starbucks and a women with great legs, stunning overall body and cute (but slightly average) face is standing in line behind me. I later walk up to the third floor and sit next to her. I figure I can open with the same drawing number. Here I just start drawing random faces out of thin air, this time much better than before. I ask if I can draw her? This time, to my surprise, she says no.

I've never had a girl refuse this before. In fact, she was the first who didn't look flattered by it. She asks me if I'm an art student and we engage in brief chitchat. After a while I decide to reopen. This time we have a longer conversation that goes on for about 15 minutes. When she gets up she asks for my number. I say I don't have a Japanese number yet, so I tell her to give me hers and to write down her email address.

Hitomi (Osaka Station, Umeda)
I take the metro to Kitashinchi and decide to walk from there while trying my luck on the pavement. At Osaka Station I see very cute girl wearing one of those office uniforms with a short black skirt, high heels and stockings (I swear I go crazy for women in those office uniforms). I open by asking where Hep5 is. She offers to take me there, since she's meeting a friend at the First Kitchen nearby. We walk for about 10 minutes, maybe fifteen, talking. She caughs up her number at the end. Nothing Special here.

I should probably be going more for instadates here. Still haven't checked out nightgame yet.
So far 17 approaches, 7 numbers (haven't contactd any of them yet), 1 date, 0 bangs so far (as said, I've been lazy, and I'm in no real hurry).

[memcpy]

Sargon you tried going direct yet?
I feel Japanese girls respond too well to indirect game. Even if they have bf or are married. But I guess it's a good thing.
I've banged girls with boyfriends. But plenty of them gave me the same story that they can't meet because they have one. They seem to stay loyal , at least where I am , which is more suburban.

Not worth the trouble going after them, unless you go for the same day lay.

Starbucks --izakaya/karoke ---> love hotel/your place.

[Sargon of Akkad]

(04-18-2013 06:06 PM)memcpy Wrote:  

Sargon you tried going direct yet?

Haven't tried directness yet, the main reason being I don't feel my Japanese is good enough to do it well. It's kinda hard to use ballsy statements if you don't know the language well, but maybe I should still give it a try. What are some good examples of Japanese sentences I can use for direct openers?

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Not worth the trouble going after them, unless you go for the same day lay.

I assume you mean because of flakiness.

On a side note. How should I expect most women here to respond to physical escalation in public? Will they tend to shy away if I do start touching them in a café or bar? If I need to isolate beforehand, I suppose karaoke is the best option.

[memcpy]

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[Sargon of Akkad]

First club visited in Osaka. This time it was a typical foreigner hangout called Pure (thinking it would be a decent place to find a few xenophiles). The joint had a relatively balanced mix of locals and foreigners, with a cover charge of 2500 yen but an all-you-can-drink.

At the entrance, I was greeted by two bouncers, who had me read the rules and a disclamer before letting me enter. Here I saw the infamous signs warning against Nampa, saying that it would "not be tolerated". What I expected to find after reading that was a dancefloor full of bouncers standing at every corner dragging any poor drunk bastard away who had hit on too many girls. For those planning on coming to Osaka and visiting this club: don't worry. I saw absolutely no enforcement of this rule whatsoever.

The quality of the girls was decent, with most looking average and an occasional hot girl here or there. I appproached 14 girls that night, usually with a standard "hi,　お名前は　o namae ha?" followed by random banter. Occasionally, I'd befriend some of the Japanese guys and proceed to occupy the friends of girls they were hitting on. Again, the women were all extremely nice, but I got nothing this time (then again, I drank way too much last night, so I probably made a bit of a fool of myself). If I feel up to it, I may try club Giraffe tonight, which is close to Pure. Don't think I'll be drinking anything but water this time, though...ugh.

So far, that's 31 approaches (17 day, 14 night), 7 numbers, 1 date, 0 bangs.

[bojangles]

Keep approaching mate, I'm enjoying this thread, I'd say 40 and you'll get a bang. for every 40 approaches, which is a good ratio from what I'm reading about Japan here.

[Sargon of Akkad]

(04-22-2013 05:27 AM)bojangles Wrote:  

Keep approaching mate, I'm enjoying this thread, I'd say 40 and you'll get a bang. for every 40 approaches, which is a good ratio from what I'm reading about Japan here.

Thanks. Hit pure again the following night, approached another ten and got my proverbial ass handed to me. Got blown out at least half to two thirds of the time...just wasn't my night, I guess.

Hana and the Western Cockblockers (Pure, Shinsaibashi)

One of the few of my approaches during my second night at Pure that seemed to take a bite (about a 7 in my book). We talk for a while before I pull her to the dancefloor, where we start grinding. I've got my hands feeling her up all over her legs, thighs, arms, waist and ass. She's touching me. I start kissing her neck about thirty seconds into it. Everyhing's going great and I think my first bang's in Osaka is in sight...aaand...

...about five minutes into it, two drunken, thick-legged chubby white girls walk up, start embracing her and pull her away so they can dance with her in a circle. Every time I try to get her back, the fatter of the two moves in front of me to act as a literal "cock-blocker". Eventually, feeling the rage build up inside, I realize and accept defeat before moving away. I've lost this one. The other approaches I made that night were some of the worst I'd experienced in years. I'm talking immediate blowouts. I had to check all my pockets upon walking out to make sure I hadn't left my ego on the dancefloor somewhere. ugh.

41 approaches (24 night / 17 day), 7 numbers, 1 date, 0 bangs

Miki (Kyobashi Station)

This approach happened almost excatly two hours before this post was written. While waiting to take the metro home from Kyobashi, I sit next to a relatively cute J-girl (7), and ask her in Japanese if the next train is heading towards the station I need to get off (I already know where it's heading, I'm just playing dumb). She says, no I have to wait for the train that comes after this one.
I say "it's a bit cold here isn't it? Is this normal for Osaka in the spring?"
She responds "Yeah it's pretty cold. Normally it's warmer in April, the weather this year is just weird. Where are your from?"
"Two countries. I spent half my life in the US and half in Germany, but I came here with my German passport. My mom's German and my father was American."
"Ah, ハフ (hafu)。"
Quick topic derail: ハフ/"Hafu" is the japanisation of the English word "half". It means "mixed", and it's a word East Asians love using when they meet someone who's parents came from two different countries and/or ethnic backgrounds (in my case, it was both, though they don't know that since I pretty much look entirely white, other than slightly woolly hair and a deep voice). The Chinese will use the word 混血Hunxue (literally "mixed blood") and they ascribe almost superhuman qualities to such people, particularly in terms of intelligence and good looks. You can nearly consistantly hear the following sentence from just about EVERY Chinese person, said in a dreemy voice reminiscent of a schoolgirl thinking about Justin Beeber: " 哦，你是混血啊！混血都特别漂亮/聪明！" Oh, ni shi hunxuuueee. HUNxue dou TEBIE piaoliang/congming! (read: "oh, your mixed. Mixed [people] are all especially pretty/smart!")

Long story short: turns out she's been studying German for a year (still can't say much more than "Guten Tag", "Danke" and "ich heiße Miki," but it's still cute and nice to hear anyway. We get off at the wrong stop and talk while waiting for the next train for about fifteen minutes, set a date for next Saturday, exchange contact info, talk some more, and say goodbye. All in all a nice girl. We'll see how it things turn out.

So far, that makes...

42 approaches (24 night/18 "day"), 8 numbers, 1 date, 0 bangs

[Menace]

Sargon, really enjoying this because it is very reminiscent of Roosh's writing...it all feels very real, with all the set backs, etc. I sometimes think I enjoy threads where there are no bangs and more about the attempts. Question for you: after doing 50 approaches more or less, do you notice any pattern? Is there anything you need to tweak day/night? Would it make sense to try some kind of semi-social circle stuff where you and others are there for the same reason?

[Sargon of Akkad]

(04-23-2013 08:55 AM)Menace Wrote:  

Sargon, really enjoying this because it is very reminiscent of Roosh's writing...it all feels very real, with all the set backs, etc. I sometimes think I enjoy threads where there are no bangs and more about the attempts. Question for you: after doing 50 approaches more or less, do you notice any pattern? Is there anything you need to tweak day/night? Would it make sense to try some kind of semi-social circle stuff where you and others are there for the same reason?

Hmm...patterns.

Can't say I've noticed anything particular, only that in general the average Japanese chic (not including the club chics) are very polite, even if they're not interested.

In gereral it seems foreigner appeal has no real effect here. It won't hurt you to be a foreigner, but it doesn't seem to have any extra status or appeal attached to it. Most girls, it seems, don't care either way. This, at least, has been my experience. Yours might be different. After China, I am pleasantly surprised by the fact that even when I'm the only foreigner in sight for miles, people seem completely relaxed around foreigners, and with a few exceptions, I'm treated very normally. Occasionally, I'll be "hit on" by some guy with fanboy syndrome, but this is more the exception. Other than that, nothing close to what I saw in China, with people constantly stopping to stare and shout "hellO!" or have their picture taken with you. None of that silly shit.

Nampa doesn't seem to be too much of a problem as long as you don't do it in the places that are crawling with Japanese PUAs and don't make it look like you're only at a particularl place to pick up girls. Some girls you can engage easily in conversation, some don't want to be bothered, and will politely excuse themselves if they don't. I'm going to try doing a few street approaches in English to see if I get a different response on average.

I think I'll be avoiding clubs for the time being. They're just too fucking expensive: about ￥2500-3500 cover price, plus about ￥6500 for a cab back home, unless I plan on sleeping in the subway station until the train arrives at 5:39. Also, due to the strong Nampa culture and the ubiquity of foreign guys trying to bang a Japanese chic, competition and bitch shields are a real annoyance, at least at the clubs I visited.

[Sargon of Akkad]

Okay, it has been quite a while since my last post. That bang is still taking longer than expected. So far, a few examples of my last recent approaches.

Shiori (Club Giraffe, Shinsaibashi)

Tried out Club Giraffe weekend before last. Walk in and am pleased to find I am the only foreigner in the club. I go to the bar to get a screwdriver and move toward the dancefloor. Here I see this model-like woman smile at me. By far, in my opinion, this girl would have no trouble whatsoever fitting into this Forum's "What Do You Guys Consider a Ten?" thread. I approach her using an admittedly lame line of "Do we know each other?" followed by random babble. Nice girl. Very friendly.
Turns out she's a DJ from Tokyo who just recently moved to Osaka, and her friend is up at the booth. We dance around a bit and grab a drink at the bar. I seem to hold her interest for about fifteen minutes, she's very friendly, smiles alot, engages in the conversation, but eventually I bomb and she moves on. The other two approaches at Giraffe leave me nowhere. In general, I liked the vibe of Giraffe, though. Fun place, people were dressed well, and the music was a mix of foreign and local Japanese hiphop and techno. I'd recommend it, even if you’re not going specifically to pick up girls.

Fumi (Club Pure, Shinsaibashi)
Hit on a J-girl during my first night at Pure, but get blown out after a while. Later see her with some other guy. See her a week later and decide to give it a second try. This time, she opens quite smoothly. Turns out she’s 39 years old (not bad –looking for her age) and studied in Scotland for a while, which is why she insists on speaking only English. Fine with me. Looks like her friends have ditched, so she’s there alone.
Suddenly, a drunken, plump and thick-boned Aussie chick interrupts the conversation and hits on me for the second time that night, shouting into my ear and asking me where I'm from. I brush her off. She moves on after a few seconds shouting "Wooooooo!!!"
I really don't like this noise, and I don't know why so many Anglophone chics use this particular mating call at parties. It's not sexy, it's not cool, and it doesn't make you look wild or edgy or cute or whatever you think it is. It just annoying, and makes you look like an ass. Stop. Please.

"Is that your girlfriend?" the J-girl asks.
"No, I don't know her," I say, trying my best not to cringe.

After a minute or so, she opens her phone and tells me to put in my contact info before pulling me to the dancefloor gripping my hand. We grind for a few minutes, I try to kiss her but she pulls away and grins every time I try. Eventually I start kissing her neck and shoulders. She goes to get a drink and immediately there are guys hitting on her, each of whom she shoots down. We dance again, go for a drink, dance, go for a drink, rinse and repeat. Eventually, she walks away and gestures for me to back off. I assume she’s lost interest and leave. After a while, I see her in the corner, more brothers hitting on her (for some reason, black guys seem to go crazy over her). After rejecting the last guy, she walks back over to me and grabs my hand. We go to the dance floor again. She places my hand on her legs and waist. I start sucking on her neck while sliding my hands over her hips, her chest, her waist and in between her thighs just right above her pussy. My dick feels like a nuclear warhead during the Cuban Missile Crisis (as corny as that may sound, it’s the most accurate analogy that came to mind). After a while she says she’s going home. What, you mean with me? I think. Despite some persistence, she’s having none of it, so I give up. I stick around for another hour. A few more rejections later, I decide to leave. Spot her at the bar talking to her friends. “This was a waste of time,” I think.
When I leave the club the sun has already risen. Nothing like starting the day with a beautiful sunrise and a nice case of blueballs. An invisible baby has just kicked me in the groin. Take the metro back home. It’s after 6:30 when I finally crash into my bed. I think to myself: “No way I’m contacting this chick, and I know damn well she ain’t calling me back.”
Two days later, I get the following message:

Quote:

hi, do you remember me？
this is fumi.
we had meet club pure.
how are you？
this is my phone number.
XXXXXXXXXX
i waitting for your mail or call

Xinnan (Uni Campus)
I’m walking around my campus and a Chinese girl from Shanghai whom I've met briefly before walks up to me. She wants me to teach her English, gives me her number and email and suggests we meet up that same day. The way she’s grinning and looking at me seems to suggest she’s thinking about more than just English practice, but maybe I'm just a perv and it’s my imagination.
I say I need to drop a form off at the 教務課Kyômuka (Educational Affairs Section), but I left it in my room (which is true). I bring her back to my room, where we start chatting. I offer her a glass of water. We sit talking for a while. I teach her a bit of German. Soon I start testing the waters. Start moving closer and stroke her hair a couple times. She gets nervous and says she should leave.
“Okay,” I say, but we just go back to chatting and she sits down again. After a while I move in a bit closer, she starts blushing. Try to escalate, she blushes more, says “Ah…我应该回去。Ah…wo yinggai hui qu (I should go back).” Coincidentally, it just started pouring outside like mad. “The rain should stop in a bit,” I say (or something similar).
We talk for about another half hour. Meanwhile I’m trying to get closer. She seems to let me put my arm around her and touch her hands. In all honesty, don't expect any of this to work, but I figure it’s worth a try. I get ballsy and try see what happens if I try to kiss her. She moves away, but the conversation goes on as if nothing had happened. I can see her face has turned bright red. A few more times she says she should go, but every time I just continue chatting like nothing happened and she sits back down. Second time I try to kiss her she finally says it’s time to go. Can’t get her to stay this time. We continue chatting as I walk her to the door. The following day I see her at a sort of welcoming party for the foreign (read: Chinese and Korean) students. She’s pretty good friends with my roommate, who’s also a Chinese girl. We kind of ignore each other at the party. I might give it a second try by contacting her again, but I don’t expect anything.

So far that’s 65 approaches (45 night, 20 day), 9 numbers, 1 date (2 if you count that little incident in my room), 0 bangs

Got a date planned for this Saturday. We'll see if anything comes of that.

[RichieP]

Coolness! So Sargon, inevitable question: How are you funding it, and also finding the time to learn all these languages? (and apologies in advance if you've answered this somewhere in here)

[Sargon of Akkad]

(04-29-2013 05:24 PM)RichieP Wrote:  

Coolness! So Sargon, inevitable question: How are you funding it, and also finding the time to learn all these languages? (and apologies in advance if you've answered this somewhere in here)

Funding:

I think I already mentioned this one. I'm getting a stipend from the Japanese university: it includes free housing, no tuition, plus a monthly paymnt. I was only able to get this through an exchange program between my university in Germany and the one here in Osaka.

Languages:

English:
- Was born and lived in the US until age 13

German:
- lived in Germany for about half my life
- my mom and half my family are Germans; actually, I identify Germany much more as my home than the US

Chinese (Mandarin):
- studied it at university,
- studied abroad in China (lots of Chinese there),
- know lots of Chinese people outside China,
- dated lots of Chinese girls,
- I've been pretty much using the language on a daily basis for the past four years. Even here in Japan, I tend to rely more on Chinese than Japanese (which I really shouldn't be doing).

Japanese
- took a Japanese course back in Germany
- dated a Japanese girl back in Germany
- I now live in Japan, still learning, though.

[RichieP]

Wicked mate. Great to hear you're making the most of your student days. Wish I'd done it back then, but then, I wouldn't have dared, not at that point in life. Keep living life to the full!

[Novio]

@ Sargon of Akkad: Do you know about Josh Sehrer? He's been running game in Tokyo for years and has his own website that was "viewed in 2003 by over 2,000,000 of Japan's citizens in 24 hours". Also, he has a lot of haters but I like him.

Interacting with girls: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqa__Yk-ReE

Meeting The Hundreds: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIbuDnuW7TE , I can't believe the amount of mean comments he is getting on this video.

[Sargon of Akkad]

Haha, looks like a white Flava Flave.

More power to him though if he's getting laid that way over here. As for me, looks like I've got my work cut out for me.

[boo]

I lived in Osaka for about half a year back in 2010, went there with next to no japanese and had to climb up the learning ladder. In short, what I can share:

1. if you're a foreigner, hot J-girls will be roughly divided into two categories:
- those that are really into you
- those that are scared of you cuz you're weird and foreign and don't trust you (though that does not necessarily mean they're not into you)

2. Everything in Japan is about appearance. Appearance, appearance, appearance! While it's possible to take girls from the clubs to the love hotels in the same night, and even make out with 2 of them at once, (or 5 I saw one guy do it in Giraffe, might've been some local celebrity) on the dance floor (I failed at pulling them though), it's a lot harder to kiss a girl in public than it is to touch her. I don't mean slight elbow shoulder touching, I mean full on hand on ass, even under skirt if it's summer touching as long as it's discrete and her friends don't notice.

3. For night game I personally recommend Giraffe and Grand Cafe. They're mainly packed full of locals and in Grand Cafe they were really friendly to foreigners and I even got free booze. Fun times fun times.

4. Drop the politeness to it's bare minimum. All girls are "-chan" and "kimi". You are "ore" or at worst "boku" at any time other than speaking to clear superiors. For guys you can stick to "-san" if you want but I recommend you just run with "-kun".

5. Try to find the OUSSEP kids at osaka uni. They're there to do Japanese and get hooked into all sorts of cultural mixing parties and you'll be able to troll those. Some of the best chicks I found were there.

[boo]

The main problem J-girls have with J-guys is that they are complete wussies. Feminized Omegas. Wave dominance in their face and they'll appreciate it.

[boo]

Since I can't edit I'll have to multiple post.

Also since you're in Kansai try picking up the local dialect and incorporating parts of it in your speech. Generally replace desu/da with ya, ne with na, words like omoshiroi with omoroi, baka with aho, etc, etc and calibrate as needed.
Japanese people like Kansai-ben in general even when spoken by their own people. Their best comedians speak Kansai and you as a gaijin barely speaking their language talking a mix of Kansai usually sends the girls laughing instantly and disarms them. Ask whatever girl you're dating to teach you some Kansai if she's from the area and just have fun with it. Many westerners I've met in Japan that learned Japanese were quite stupefied that people don't actually talk like that in Japan.

Also 90% of gaijins are there to either teach english or learn japanese of both. If you're doing something else you're already exotic. If it's some technical thing at a reputed university they'll start calling you genius. It might help to play on that.

[Sargon of Akkad]

Seems like I'm doing something wrong here. Maybe my game has worsened since my arrival.

In China, I estimate that I must have done anywhere between 300 and 320 approaches in six months (based on the amount of times I went out and the number of girls I usually approached in a night). I banged 8 women in that time, that's about 1 for every 40 women.

Central Europe: I approached approximately 80 women 2012/13 and ended up sleeping with 4 (one, a Japanese chic from Hyogo, was a GF): that's 1 girl for every 20 or so approaches.

In Japan, I'm going on 70 approaches in one month (68, to be precise) and right now only three real prospects. One is in all likelihood going to flake this Saturday, another I haven't contacted yet, and another is going on 40. Not sure if this is normal for Japan, but somehow I doubt it.

I need to change something about my habits. Japan is definitely more of a challenge than I expected. There's gotta be some way of getting more consistency.