[DVY]

Hate is a bit strong for me. I would say strongly dislike. There a lot of baggage at home.

I grew up in LA, spent my early adulthood in Northern California. Even going from one side of CA to another, there are huge differences.

When you can see two sides of one coin, you will always wish for the one that meshes w/your personality better.

That being said, LA isn't that bad in other concerns (food and weather) . What bugs me is the highly conspicuous materialistic culture (cars, purses, and shitty rippped jeans), car/traffic culture, poor logistics, among other factors.

What this contributes to is social-retards. When you spend too much time alone in your car and only w/a small insular group of people you stagnate socially. This along w/facebook mania and smartphone ADD ensures poor social development.

@temujin- Your def. right. Among my group of friends, not many travel to other countries. Of those who do, mostly its purely for "spring-break" style crusies or all-inclusive food and drink resorts in Mexico. Those that do travel to far-off countries, do it for family purposes.

As for traveling solo, forget it.

[thegmanifesto]

(03-06-2013 11:42 AM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

Where you live is a mindset. Becoming negative will wear you down, and you'll never get out. For me, the ATL is my motivation. It's like being locked in a room but having a keyhole to look through. I don't have that keyhole living in a tent in a warzone at just about the most fartherest point from civilization. That can wear you down mentally and emotionally, but I don't start hating the place. My motivator is watching large stack of cash hit my bank account every two weeks. My mind is months ahead on a tropical island banging beautiful women.

And on that note, I've been to some of the worst places in the world. It's made me appreciate much more in life, including the U.S. I don't sweat the small stuff. Atlanta really isn't that bad, and staying positive makes it far more livable.

I have spent little time in ATL, but when I did, there were plenty of fly girls. Real classy and feminine.

And they seemed way more approachable than girls in LA, MIA, SF, SD, OC, NYC, DC, Boston etc.

Probably more on par with Chicago as far as approachability which is pretty high in my opinion.

I remember approaching a 6 top of girls and they were wide open. That doesn't happen in a lot of places in the world.

[Kish]

I love DC.

I hate DC.

This city deserves both.

But I also LOVE to HATE DC.

[Aliblahba]

(03-06-2013 12:25 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(03-06-2013 11:42 AM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

Where you live is a mindset. Becoming negative will wear you down, and you'll never get out. For me, the ATL is my motivation. It's like being locked in a room but having a keyhole to look through. I don't have that keyhole living in a tent in a warzone at just about the most fartherest point from civilization. That can wear you down mentally and emotionally, but I don't start hating the place. My motivator is watching large stack of cash hit my bank account every two weeks. My mind is months ahead on a tropical island banging beautiful women.

And on that note, I've been to some of the worst places in the world. It's made me appreciate much more in life, including the U.S. I don't sweat the small stuff. Atlanta really isn't that bad, and staying positive makes it far more livable.

I have spent little time in ATL, but when I did, there were plenty of fly girls. Real classy and feminine.

And they seemed way more approachable than girls in LA, MIA, SF, SD, OC, NYC, DC, Boston etc.

Probably more on par with Chicago as far as approachability which is pretty high in my opinion.

I remember approaching a 6 top of girls and they were wide open. That doesn't happen in a lot of places in the world.

My only bitches about Atlanta are the traffic and summer heat. That's hardly enough to hate a place. The women, ethnic diversity, food, airport, size, and proximity to other hotspots make the ATL a great place to be. I've seen far worse.

Oh, player tidbit. Hit up Pappadeaux's on a Fri or Sat night. Sit at the mini-bar on the left as soon as you walk in. It's where people are waiting on tables. Perfect gaming spot. Perfect!

[philly22]

No city is perfect. I think that when you live in an area you tend to focus on the negatives and forget about the positives of the city. Where I'm at the weather sucks but there's a lot of good job opportunities and ways to move up in the world. So I try to focus on the positives.

[Aliblahba]

(03-06-2013 12:56 PM)philly22 Wrote:  

No city is perfect. I think that when you live in an area you tend to focus on the negatives and forget about the positives of the city. Where I'm at the weather sucks but there's a lot of good job opportunities and ways to move up in the world. So I try to focus on the positives.

Being negative will kill a guys game. Girls don't want to hear a guy bitching. It shows strength when no matter how bad a place is you don't let it bother you.

[Blaster]

(03-05-2013 02:48 PM)Alexander Wrote:  

People hate on where they're from, but as soon as someone else does it they get proud and defensive.

Often people hate on specific aspects of where they're from, and get defensive when people start making ignorant generalizations.

Eastern Europe is popular with guys on this board for various reasons, but I've met some immigrants to the US from various EE countries and they'll have plenty of complaints about their home countries and plenty of reasons to enjoy living in the US. Corruption and crime, excessive bureaucracy, dismal job prospects back home, etc.. Granted, they are still European so they shit on America or Americans in random conversation all the time, but I know not to take it seriously.

Incidentally, they do tend to agree that EE women are slimmer with superior style to American women.

[phoenix101]

I admit I mostly live vicariously through this board. I used to be more active and motivated, did virtually no travelling but I did my time in the city meet markets (unsuccessfully). Like someone mentioned in another post, school years were almost hell for me socially--I wasn't weird or anything but I didn't really fit in with any group. But that's just me, I'm not a social retard but I don't have the normal socializing drive. Sometimes friends would try to introduce me to an acquaintance or friend's friend who would polite bitch-shield me and then I'd get told off for messing up something "handed to me on a silver platter". For many years I had a decent pad with insane logistics steps from everything and it did dick-all for me. Though one problem was that through my 20s and start of my 30s I was doing very heavy rat-race time.

Now for me to question or forget my negative opinions of my city and the average woman in it is to forget experience even though I'll admit it has some positive sides or even more positives than negatives overall.

[kilus]

People tend to not like their own environment I think because theyre so used to it. So enter foreign lands. When we venture out to foreign places we've never been to before, we tend to explore it like a challenge. Because its exotic to us. On the other side of the coin, people from those exotic lands will think the reverse. Theyll feel bored of their surroundings and will want to visit other lands with anticipation.

Its the same perspective from diff[/align]ferent sides of the fence.

[thegmanifesto]

(03-06-2013 01:24 PM)phoenix101 Wrote:  

But that's just me, I'm not a social retard but I don't have the normal socializing drive and I've found that height (5'5") has been a detriment for me in Toronto (don't mean to short troll).

No more height threads!

Houston, we have a problem.

Paging, Houston in 3...2...1...

---

Not to transform this into a "height thread" or anything, but watch the video I put in the original post:

(03-05-2013 10:57 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

Because, as you guys know, We are all in The Same Gang.

Watch till the end of the video.

Who was the most Alpha in this video of Alphas?

The guy who went last.

The Shortest Guy.

EAZY-E.

[temujin]

(03-06-2013 01:14 PM)Blaster Wrote:  

Incidentally, they do tend to agree that EE women are slimmer with superior style to American women.

And that's what it comes down to. As long as your priority remains banging high-quality women with less effort & more reward, the FSU is simply a superior place compared to the Anglo World.

Once your priority changes (and it changes for all of us), then the FSU may no longer be a superior place for you.

These things fluctuate as we move through different phases of life and depending on what we bring to the table.

[kenny_powers]

(03-06-2013 01:09 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

(03-06-2013 12:56 PM)philly22 Wrote:  

No city is perfect. I think that when you live in an area you tend to focus on the negatives and forget about the positives of the city. Where I'm at the weather sucks but there's a lot of good job opportunities and ways to move up in the world. So I try to focus on the positives.

Being negative will kill a guys game. Girls don't want to hear a guy bitching. It shows strength when no matter how bad a place is you don't let it bother you.

Preach it Ali. Truth brother. No girl in DC wants to here me complain about DC, or my job, or anything. You have to keep things on the up and up and hold a positive frame. You got one life - keep your head right!

[thegmanifesto]

(03-06-2013 04:36 PM)temujin Wrote:  

(03-06-2013 01:14 PM)Blaster Wrote:  

Incidentally, they do tend to agree that EE women are slimmer with superior style to American women.

And that's what it comes down to. As long as your priority remains banging high-quality women with less effort & more reward, the FSU is simply a superior place compared to the Anglo World.

Once your priority changes (and it changes for all of us), then the FSU may no longer be a superior place for you.

These things fluctuate as we move through different phases of life and depending on what we bring to the table.

Is it really easier though?

Every story I hear about EE contains endless theorizing and strategy about "pipelining" and online game.

Then endless language and cultural issues.

And then the issues with "closing".

And then the issues with rapport.

And then the issues with "social circle hell".

To peoples credit they don't complain about the food, or weather, lack of beaches, or lack of funny jokes being told, but I know I would (I did in Latvia).

Are guys cranking 3 girls a week there? 3 girls a night like people do in Vegas? "Shoring" 50 girls a night like in SEA?

Is it really easier? Or just "higher quality"?

Or is it just lack of success in people's hometown so any success over there is perceived as "easier"? ie zero swoops in 3 months back home, VS 1 swoop in 3 months in EE?

[bojangles]

I believe banging girls in London is easier than in any European country, women here are more inclined to drop their pants for a one night stand. Go to Poland/Ukraine/Hungary (wherever you chose) and you get the type of girls that you desire, who you still have to game but in a different way due to their more conservative nature (something I prefer), but if you're talking about getting laid, you can't beat London in comparison to the other locales of Europe. Sex here is on a tap if you're looking for ease of access.

[temujin]

Can't speak for others but it's been easier for me.

When I was going out say, 2x a week, maybe approaching 2-3 girls in the daytime per week, I was average 2-3 VERY attractive girls per month (notice I say MONTH, not 2 week pussy kamikaze runs).

That was low effort, high reward for myself. But that was another time when I was focused like a heat-seeking missile on pussy.

Things change.

One other thing. I feel like American guys get incredulous about the quality of women actually accessible to average guys in the FSU. So they cop an attitude like...well American girls aren't THAT bad....the FSU can't be THAT good....FSU girls aren't THAT hot...and so on.

And to that I say, think what you want. All I can do is talk about how I do. The same goes for Roosh.

But the proof is in the pudding. Is Roosh in Montreal, Las Vegas, Los Angeles, Chicago right now? Or did he beeline it back to Poland the first chance he got? So he made his choice.

Every guy has to make his own judgment call after EXTENDED stay and experimentation.

[Ovid]

A lot of the criticisms we level at our native cities and countries are indisputably warranted. It's hard for someone to argue with G's SoCal problems, or Roosh's hatred of DC. California is indisputably something of a petty police state, and DC is indisputably a soul-sucking, unpleasant place, where ratios are dismal and girls have feminist attitudes.

On the other hand, coming from California or DC, Colombia, Paris, or London can seem like a paradise. The question is, how quantifiable are the improvements of such a city, vs. how much is simply the natural enthusiasm of being in an unfamiliar and potentially-better place?

A lot also has to do with corcumstance and desires. Living for the present in a pretty small city in the middle of nowhere, I'd gladly take on the "problems" of Medellin or even, dare I say it, DC. Somebody who was just passing through and has a thing for blue-eyed girls, on the other hand, might think this is a 4th tier poosy paradise. Roosh doesn't seem to have soured on Polish girls. They're pretty, and feminine. A Polish player, having lived his whole life with them, might crave variety, and might be willing to endure some bitchy feminist crap to sample the pleasures of the dark-skinned Jersey Italian girls. He might conclude that American girls are vivacious and easy, and not miss Warsaw a bit.

I daresay, also, that the near-universal opprobrium with which the West is regarded on here is additionally due to the fact that the forum language is English and most of the posters are from the USA or Western Europe/Anglosphere countries, so we tend to naturally reinforce one another when we talk about the problems at home that make us want to seek pussy abroad.

[snoop]

(03-06-2013 10:20 AM)temujin Wrote:  

(03-06-2013 08:44 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(03-05-2013 10:15 PM)temujin Wrote:  

The vast majority of people, including guys on this board, end up in a place because that's where their job is.

Choosing a place on a whim and living there long-term with a good lifestyle is a fantasy seldom realized.

So guys save up money, take their fantasy trip to Pussylandia, before retreating back home to replenish the piggy bank.

I think a sizeable number of guys don't even have the cash to fund their fantasy trip. So they live vicariously through this board, dreaming about living in Poznan banging Polish girls while writing eBooks for a living.

The problem is that when the superiority of another place for banging high-quality women is proven over and over again -- and you can't get there -- you either do one of two things: get depressed and hate on where you're stuck; or get frustrated and dismiss where you can't be.

Another interesting take.

I guess I forget I am in somewhat of a unique situation.

Quote:

I think a sizeable number of guys don't even have the cash to fund their fantasy trip. So they live vicariously through this board, dreaming about living in Poznan banging Polish girls while writing eBooks for a living.

Do you think that is really the case?

I always got the impression the guys on this forum were really doing it.

I get impressed all the time when I see someone rolling to Georgia, Belarus or Moldova.

For every guy who rolls into Georgia Vorkuta-style, I have to think there are at least 10 guys who frequent this site, sitting at home making ends meat, living paycheck to paycheck (or even unemployed, given today's economy).

Someone from the UK might be able to pull off some trips, only because there are discount flights to every "exotic" destination from London at cut-rate prices.

But some guy sitting around in Cleveland, Ohio? It's going to cost at least a thousand bucks just to get to Georgia, not to mention the cost of housing and misc. expenses.

And you can also buy a 3 to 4 bedroom house in Cleveland for like 40k.

Those type of places are great to live in if you can get a good job there or have remote work capabilities.

[Aliblahba]

Gents, there's no such thing as "greener pastures", only "other pastures". When you travel enough you'll see what I mean.

[thegmanifesto]

(03-06-2013 06:06 PM)snoop Wrote:  

And you can also buy a 3 to 4 bedroom house in Cleveland for like 40k.

Those type of places are great to live in if you can get a good job there or have remote work capabilities.

I have actually tossed this idea around a few times.

Move to some Red State in the country.

Buy a 8 bedroom house for what? 3k?

And just travel a bunch.

I scrapped the idea though.

[MidWest]

(03-05-2013 02:32 PM)Fredster Wrote:  

I think there is some truth to it.
I do not like being Indian because Indians worship a sport I have never liked, extremely beta and have controlling families, more feminism the US/UK?Australia/Sweden/Canada and bollywood which is laden with ridiculous blue pill material.
Even though I was raised in Australia for most of my life and Australia has a lot of feminism, the living conditions are much better than India and while Australia is known for its fat women ( I live in Melbourne ), it is still miles better than India for pick up and cold approaching.

So you are saying that you hate your race/ethnicity?

[MidWest]

I tend to go the other way. I'm from Chicago and I love it. But also whenever I go outside of the country I say Im from Miami to get my Latino swag going. Outside of the US I get better reactions from girls saying im from Miami than Chicago. I think Chicago is really underrated.

[snoop]

(03-06-2013 07:11 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(03-06-2013 06:06 PM)snoop Wrote:  

And you can also buy a 3 to 4 bedroom house in Cleveland for like 40k.

Those type of places are great to live in if you can get a good job there or have remote work capabilities.

I have actually tossed this idea around a few times.

Move to some Red State in the country.

Buy a 8 bedroom house for what? 3k?

And just travel a bunch.

I scrapped the idea though.

Or do that with 2 smaller places, one for the winter and one for the summer

[G Trooper]

(03-06-2013 07:56 PM)MidWest Wrote:  

I tend to go the other way. I'm from Chicago and I love it. But also whenever I go outside of the country I say Im from Miami to get my Latino swag going. Outside of the US I get better reactions from girls saying im from Miami than Chicago. I think Chicago is really underrated.

I am from Chicago...and really do live in Miami. I do believe I've found a "greener pasture" living here in Mia.

I got a job down here and made the decision to get out, while I noticed a lot of my childhood friends haven't even left Chicago because they are complacent.

The person I am now and have become over the last few years being on my own is completely different than who I used to be (mainly due to my own personal development and the game). And extremely different than my friends back home.

I am easily 20 X happier than I used to be when I lived in the Midwest. I mean fuck, while the women back home in Chicago are walking around in show boots right now, and down here there is a hot phat bootied latina pumping gas in heels.

[philly22]

(03-07-2013 01:47 AM)G Trooper Wrote:  

(03-06-2013 07:56 PM)MidWest Wrote:  

I tend to go the other way. I'm from Chicago and I love it. But also whenever I go outside of the country I say Im from Miami to get my Latino swag going. Outside of the US I get better reactions from girls saying im from Miami than Chicago. I think Chicago is really underrated.

I am from Chicago...and really do live in Miami. I do believe I've found a "greener pasture" living here in Mia.

I got a job down here and made the decision to get out, while I noticed a lot of my childhood friends haven't even left Chicago because they are complacent.

The person I am now and have become over the last few years being on my own is completely different than who I used to be (mainly due to my own personal development and the game). And extremely different than my friends back home.

I am easily 20 X happier than I used to be when I lived in the Midwest. I mean fuck, while the women back home in Chicago are walking around in show boots right now, and down here there is a hot phat bootied latina pumping gas in heels.

Good to hear. I think chicago is an underrated city however it depends on what you're looking for. I like the tall blonde look. I'm visiting there at the end of may and looking forward to it.

[rudebwoy]

(03-06-2013 05:34 PM)temujin Wrote:  

Can't speak for others but it's been easier for me.

When I was going out say, 2x a week, maybe approaching 2-3 girls in the daytime per week, I was average 2-3 VERY attractive girls per month (notice I say MONTH, not 2 week pussy kamikaze runs).

That was low effort, high reward for myself. But that was another time when I was focused like a heat-seeking missile on pussy.

Things change.

One other thing. I feel like American guys get incredulous about the quality of women actually accessible to average guys in the FSU. So they cop an attitude like...well American girls aren't THAT bad....the FSU can't be THAT good....FSU girls aren't THAT hot...and so on.

And to that I say, think what you want. All I can do is talk about how I do. The same goes for Roosh.

But the proof is in the pudding. Is Roosh in Montreal, Las Vegas, Los Angeles, Chicago right now? Or did he beeline it back to Poland the first chance he got? So he made his choice.

Every guy has to make his own judgment call after EXTENDED stay and experimentation.

Proof is in the pudding, Roosh did not stick around DC/Toronto/Montreal for very long and headed straight back to where he had the best success.
No one is arguing there is talent in these North American cities but places like Poland don't have a fat girl problem. There seems to be a lot of fertile ground to explore in Poland, guys are debating which city is better. In Canada there is like one city I would visit for girls.

In Toronto, I know I can do a lot better if I had the motivation. The problem is girls "expect" far too much, what is my job and where I live are always the main thing on there minds.