[nek]

I've wondered this for a while now. I don't pedestalize any of them. In fact, I'm crass and rude with all, but every now and then, when I meet one I'm a little more fond of than the others, I can tell there's this subtle voice telling me to think she's 'different'. Really wanting to believe it. I dismiss this immediately, I know it's not the case. Been through enough to realize it but I'm wondering why that desire is there? I'm sure some of the guys on here that are cleaning up get it from time to time as well. Just wondering what causes this.

[WesternCancer]

http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2012/03/3...ize-women/

I think its like Heartiste describes, they simply don't have experience with women. I also think that guys pedestalize girls because if women were anything BUT chaste, sweet, innocent blah blah blah who don't put out unless they are sufficiently romanced the males would have to own up to the fact that they do indeed suck with women.

But what you said "I'm crass and rude with all" is almost the opposite. You're looking down on them and that too can hurt your success.

I think to not pedestalize women you have to acknowledge that she has the capability of having had 100s of partners, not "shes a dirty slut that I look down on with contempt" If you view women as sexual beings who will have sex under the right circumstances you are right in the middle, sure you'll meet legitimate relationship minded, innocent girls and you'll also meet complete whores who have done everything imaginable, but most of the girls you meet will be average they aren't angels and they aren't devils that disgust you, they're someone to have good sex with.

[Hannibal]

I heard from my grandparents that there used to be a time when women would pedestalize men, but I'm not sure if I believe it or not.

I just chalk it up to inexperience or that a lot of these dudes grew up with their mothers and/or a shitload of favored sisters.

[Hades]

I consider it a part of the "apology age". You usually pedestalize and worship things that are above you and have power over you.

[rastignac]

(03-02-2013 09:26 PM)Hannibal Wrote:  

I heard from my grandparents that there used to be a time when women would pedestalize men, but I'm not sure if I believe it or not.

I just chalk it up to inexperience or that a lot of these dudes grew up with their mothers and/or a shitload of favored sisters.

Believe it.

[cardguy]

Feminists support atheism. Siince it means impressionable men will worship women instead of god.

To quote Bob Dylan:

Quote:

You’re gonna have to serve somebody
Well, it may be the devil or it may be the Lord
But you’re gonna have to serve somebody

So I guess the idealistic impulse which once drove us to create art, science and discover new fields. Is now being redirected to its original evolutionary purpose - falling in 'love' and inserting dicks into pussy.

Not sure what the masses will do when the cult surrounding love starts to crack. Maybe we can go back to worshiping the earth? Perhaps this is what the Green lobby is really about?

[WestIndianArchie]

Oedipal Complex prolly

WIA

[cardguy]

'Love is the delusion that one woman differs from another' - HL Mencken

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

I don't think it's just cultural. Males could have some kind of biological drive to protect females in their group against other tribes or the like (for example, think of the universally enraged and violence-threatening reaction when a girl is raped). I think it's the basic instinct at work, and then it's amplified by feminism and brainwashing.

[Mr.Barbarian]

Get suckered in to catering to women--->feel the need to rationalize and justify all the outlay--->pedestalize women.

[Cincinnatus]

The short answer:

Quote:

Beta males are rarely in a position to witness the worst of women.

The Reason Beta Males Pedestalize Women

[polymath]

(03-02-2013 10:22 PM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

I don't think it's just cultural. Males could have some kind of biological drive to protect females in their group against other tribes or the like (for example, think of the universally enraged and violence-threatening reaction when a girl is raped). I think it's the basic instinct at work, and then it's amplified by feminism and brainwashing.

There's a difference between protecting something and supplicating to it.

[Celtic]

I think it's learned from our culture. Our society as a whole is so pro-women. I mean, from the time you enter kindergarten you usually hear some kind of pro-girl message. You learn in school that men have been the opressors of history. You're told that everything you have is because your privileged as a man. The amount the society tries to program you, it's a wonder anybody takes the red pill side of things.

[Screwston]

(03-02-2013 10:53 PM)MSW2007 Wrote:  

The short answer:

Quote:

Beta males are rarely in a position to witness the worst of women.

The Reason Beta Males Pedestalize Women

They get lucky every once in a while and stick with their nice guy "game".

[nek]

(03-02-2013 09:23 PM)WesternCancer Wrote:  

http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2012/03/3...ize-women/

I think its like Heartiste describes, they simply don't have experience with women. I also think that guys pedestalize girls because if women were anything BUT chaste, sweet, innocent blah blah blah who don't put out unless they are sufficiently romanced the males would have to own up to the fact that they do indeed suck with women.

But what you said "I'm crass and rude with all" is almost the opposite. You're looking down on them and that too can hurt your success.

I think to not pedestalize women you have to acknowledge that she has the capability of having had 100s of partners, not "shes a dirty slut that I look down on with contempt" If you view women as sexual beings who will have sex under the right circumstances you are right in the middle, sure you'll meet legitimate relationship minded, innocent girls and you'll also meet complete whores who have done everything imaginable, but most of the girls you meet will be average they aren't angels and they aren't devils that disgust you, they're someone to have good sex with.

I'm not crass and rude the whole time, it just starts that way relative to how other guys behave (very soft). I've been the 'other guy' enough to know that they're not snowflakes, and i don't hate them for it. But what I'm trying to get at is that somehow there's still a deep seeded drive to try to convince myself that one of these women is worth special attention. It's not too serious, and it never comes to fruition with me, but the fact that it arises in the first place is what I don't get, which makes me think there might be some biological drive behind it. Just wondering what people had to say about it.

[nek]

(03-02-2013 10:00 PM)cardguy Wrote:  

'Love is the delusion that one woman differs from another' - HL Mencken

I think this is the paradox I'm talking about.

[Lemmo]

Instinct. Women spent thousands of years evolving to resemble infants (high voices, fat faces, big eyes, etc.) so they could exploit men's paternal instinct.

You can tell it is an instinct to pedestalize by looking at poems, fiction, painting and other art. The idea of romance is entirely a product of men's minds and can be seen throughout history and across cultures in art. Men have evolved to want to possess and obsess over their women and children.

Women only like "romance" because it basically entails men doing things for them. When was the last time you heard a women talking about something "romantic" that entailed a woman doing something for a man?

[thebassist]

(03-02-2013 10:53 PM)MSW2007 Wrote:  

The short answer:

Quote:

Beta males are rarely in a position to witness the worst of women.

Until they get married, that is.

[agorist]

(03-02-2013 10:22 PM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

I don't think it's just cultural. Males could have some kind of biological drive to protect females in their group against other tribes or the like (for example, think of the universally enraged and violence-threatening reaction when a girl is raped). I think it's the basic instinct at work, and then it's amplified by feminism and brainwashing.

That rage might be directed at protecting a threatened resource. Motivation is directed toward reproduction of genes, and females are the limiting factor that consumes a great amount of resources in actual reproduction, particularly in time on the female side.

The less alpha and less choice a male has with women, the more he will see that as a scarce resource and will view it more highly.

[agorist]

Some of this pedestalizing may persist due to males not wanting to let go of the idealized image they were fed of women, this image being largely a persona they were pressured to take. This idealized image must be better than reality, so why not hang on to this image and hold out for it?

[TheRookie]

Besides the media and cultural programming which we all know exists, 90% of the time you spend interacting with women while growing up is with your sweet, nurturing mother, aunts, grandmothers, and women on the street saying "oh isn't he so adorable. You're growing to grow up big and strong."

Plus, pretty, feminine girls just look so damn cute, fragile, dainty, and sweet.

It takes a lot of reflection and experience to realize women's true nature.

(03-02-2013 08:52 PM)nek Wrote:  

I've wondered this for a while now. I don't pedestalize any of them. In fact, I'm crass and rude with all, but every now and then, when I meet one I'm a little more fond of than the others, I can tell there's this subtle voice telling me to think she's 'different'. Really wanting to believe it. I dismiss this immediately, I know it's not the case. Been through enough to realize it but I'm wondering why that desire is there? I'm sure some of the guys on here that are cleaning up get it from time to time as well. Just wondering what causes this.

[Vicious]

The underlying reason is that we men want to provide, we want to be the one that can take care of her and receive the same affection that would logically follow in return in the form of feminine love, care and nurturing.

Logic however has nothing to do with it.

[silverbullit]

Because they do not know better.

[aphelion]

Men have pedestalized women from time immemorial. Don't apply modern game concepts to the thought - this is some basic human psychology shit that we've been dealing with ever since who knows when.

That's not a bad thing, it's just the way it is.

[aphelion]

There's a big part of me that still wants to believe it. Falling in love is the most delicious feeling in the world. We've seen the wizard behind the curtain and we know it's a little bit of bullshit, but at the same time, it's still so goddamn nice.