[Nomad77]

I picked this up from MJ Demarco, the Fastlane Millionaire guy. If you don't know who is, just buy his book or look at his videos on YouTube.

This is one on the things he keeps harking about: events vs processes.
How does this apply to game?

Event = I got laid last night (This is what most guys talk about.)

Process = I got rejected 20 times, stayed out until 5am, and had to finally settle for a 5. This is after I have been practice my game for over one year. (This is the process we rarely talk about.)

As people we generally want to brag about our successes in life but rarely our failures. To Roosh credit, his last write up on Montreal catalogs a week without getting anything. The next time you read about some guy banging some girl ask yourself what was the process behind the event? How much work has he put in to transforming himself. How many years has he spent practicing. How many hours did he put in that night. That's the process, the bang is just the event.

I rarely write about when I bang a girl. While that may encourage you somewhat it won't help you in any. Because even if I tell you exactly what I did to do that, you don't know the man behind process and all the years he has spent refining his game.

[void]

If you are familiar with project management, you could consider "milestones" as the equivalent to an event.

[Nomad77]

Milestone are planned measurements of a project progress but I suppose you could look at them in that way.

[guerrilla]

Ah yes the process is the result!!!!

One of my favorite concepts of eastern thought. Has made my life much better.

[WestIndianArchie]

http://www.rooshv.com/outcome-independen...to-failure

I’ve been noticing a trend in self-help circles of being “outcome independent.” It’s when you don’t worry about the outcome and just put in the attempt and shrug your shoulders at the result. Outcome independence reminds me of kindergarten where you still got your gold star even if you didn’t accomplish anything.

Let me ask you this: were important men of history outcome independent?

Was Alexander the Great outcome independent when he decided to conquer the world?

Was Hitler outcome independent when he wanted to conquer Europe?

Was Theodore Roosevelt outcome independent when he wanted to be the most badass US president the country has ever seen?

Was Martin Luther King, Jr outcome independent when he wanted to eliminate segregation in the South?

What happened when these men suffered a set back to their goals? Did they say, “Oh, no problem, maybe I’ll have some better luck next time”? No, they got mad. They analyzed their mistakes, adjusted their strategy, and tried again until they succeeded.

My advice for you is to be outcome dependent. If you don’t succeed, you should get upset. You should feel down in the dumps. If do your ten approaches in the club and walk away empty handed, I don’t expect your head to be held up high. What went wrong? What can you change for next time? How will you use miserable feelings as fuel into getting what you want?

Understand that even the smartest of men come up with rationalizations to protect themselves. It’s hard to admit that you failed and came up short, but not doing so will put you farther from your goal. Separating your emotions from the desired result is a guaranteed way to rob yourself of a great motivating tool. Depend on the outcome and fight for it.

[Nomad77]

@WIA I don't understand how outcome independence is related to the topic.

[guerrilla]

WIA is confusing outcome independence with not having a goal. It's important to have a goal, but not to be attached to the goal, but rather be attached to the process of reaching that goal....which brings us full circle to the process is the result!!! hah! tricky hindus!

RSD is big on both outcome independence and the process is the result. But if you want to go direct to the source, the Bhagavad Gita is where it's at. There are a lot of shitty translations though. Also, a lot of rehab centers focus on this sort of eastern philosophy to help people cope with drugs, depression & anxiety, which all seem to go hand-in-hand.

The bottom line is that these are life philosophies that resonate for some people but not others. There's no absolute truth when it comes to this shit. But keep an open mind. Eastern philosophies have definitely helped me live more at peace and accepting with myself and others.

[Nomad77]

Abstracts concepts always are for many people...

[WestIndianArchie]

(02-23-2013 03:59 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

@WIA I don't understand how outcome independence is related to the topic.

Your emphasis is on process, if you focus on the process, the bang is the result, the outcome.

Roosh has went off script and said that the bang is the focus, not the process.

WIA

[Nomad77]

Yes, that's correct. Well, I believe what he meant was that you still need to have an objective. And I believe you need to have some kind of an objective. It doesn't have to a bang, it could a relationship, date, a kiss, etc.

My point with this post was to emphasize that we don't really talk much about the process on here. We mainly focus and cheer the results. But it's similar with sports. We cheer when LeBron makes a basket but very few of us know the work that goes into being able to achieve that.