[Dulceácido]

You don't have to like the game, but the sooner you see it for what it is, the better off you are.

[MY DETROIT PLAYAS]

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There is a certain acceptance for people's true nature that comes with red pill consumption. You don't go around trying to change those around you anymore, instead a certain pragmatism sets in.

Personally I only trust the advice of "broken" men who have had to overcome some sort of adversity, failure, or heartbreak. Men who have some real living under their belts.

The comeback stories, not the Cinderella stories. Where are the lessons in a picture perfect life? When a person is at their lowest is when they devise a plan to never return to that dark, lonely place.

You never want that feeling of betrayal again, so you refuse to make yourself as emotionally available before it's time, promise not to get burned by an untrustworthy lover, vow not to taste the bitter brew of naivety and pedestalization.

Without the shit, how can one recognize the sugar?

The red pill immersion allows us to make the distinction, and move toward becoming better men in the polar opposite direction to what landed us in despair previously.

[WestIndianArchie]

Hard for me to get back into the head space that I was in when I made this post.

But one thing I don't think I expressed was that "Game" - banging chicks because of what you say to them - exists INDEPENDENT of whatever is going on in a society.

It's not a response.

But I understand how people come to that spurious conclusion.

WIA

[warder]

I lot of "game" has been PUA BS. No doubt about that. Some people got fucked up by it, and either recovered or didn't. However, reading The Game, was one of the first times I realized that it's OK to hit on girls, and not something that should be embarrassing or weird. They actually like it as much as we do.

Shouldn't be earth shattering information, but for a lot guys here, I bet it was. Myself included.

[Kieran]

There was some posts in the RSD thread about how Julien is a broken person and his game only works on broken women, and how it wouldn't work on European women etc. I agree that Julien is a somewhat damaged person, but I don't agree that his game will only work on damaged women, and I believe the hope that this is true comes from a place of pedestalision of Eastern European / East Asian women etc. Game is based on what I see as fairly universal principles, the fact that you can be a little more 'beta' with foreign women, doesn't stop them from being attracted to the same things.

[Sp5]

I disagree that the system is "broken." The "system" is always "broken" in one way or another. Humans will continue to change and experiment.

We are dealing with an unprecedented level of:

(1) information, including scientific information about human behavior in general and social media signals about the behavior of particular women and men, and

(2) human freedom, including female freedom, to make choices without suffering the religious, social, and legal punishments of old.

Game is just applied knowledge of these facts.

[bojangles]

(12-05-2014 04:06 AM)Kieran Wrote:  

There was some posts in the RSD thread about how Julien is a broken person and his game only works on broken women, and how it wouldn't work on European women etc. I agree that Julien is a somewhat damaged person, but I don't agree that his game will only work on damaged women, and I believe the hope that this is true comes from a place of pedestalision of Eastern European / East Asian women etc. Game is based on what I see as fairly universal principles, the fact that you can be a little more 'beta' with foreign women, doesn't stop them from being attracted to the same things.

Nah his game is directed at broken women.

The fundamentals are always the same but if they were so easy to follow then every tom, dick and harry would be doing it. The skill in game is knowing how to adjust to every woman whether damaged or feminine and still reach the same end goal.

[OBJ Snakebite]

(02-21-2013 12:36 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

"all of this PUA material has been manufactured for a broken system and its broken people. Once you get your head around that, you can start locating good quality girls."

I disagree with the first part of the statement. Roosh noted in his books that the game, as he thought designed for western sluts, worked wonderfully abroad, even in non-feminist countries.
Thus what we now call "game" is simply a way of understanding women. It is true that such systems are more relevant in broken societies such as Western Civilization today and ancient Rome in yesteryear. However, these systems are relevant always. The primary difference is allowed masculinity.
When men are in charge, the demand for game is lessened, as men are concerned with their projects and naturally treat women as accessories. Generally, there is no shame in a father teaching his son the real nature of women.

It is only when men choose to give away their power, that Ovids, Mysteries, Rooshes, and other prophets of Game appear and are needed.

[SlickyBoy]

(02-21-2013 09:49 PM)Mage Wrote:  

A good quality girl in the context of this thread is a girl who understands that she cannot survive and live well without a man protecting her.

A good quality girl is a girl who is not willing a populist government to substitute a man for her. Therefore she respects her father, marries following his wisdom and then shifts her focus of respect on her husband who is the most important person in her life.

While men become of good quality trough work, training and shaping their character, good quality girls are raised, they do not become. Girls are the mirrors off society, they are like plants that grow as the society nourishes them. They have no choice in being good or bad. Broken societies produce broken girls and good societies produce good girls. Within the same society girls have only minimal differences of goodness and therefore trying to distinguish the "good" girls from the "bad" girls is an exercise in futility. Once this futility is recognized one can easily conclude tha there are no good girls. But if one just moves to a different society with a different culture or chanes his surrounding culture he can observe a difference.

Almost had me, but for the highlighted part in red. To accept that girls have no choice being good or bad plays into the SJW nonsense about their inability to control themselves (when convenient).

Though we know they are often little more than overgrown children who want the power of an adult with the responsibility of a child, women are still humans capable of decisions. For those decisions, they should be held accountable for better or worse. Of course, I know that's woefully unrealistic, but it is technically possible and logically consistent.