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#26

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Casa de la Musica at night time is going to be working girls...I assume you went to Casa de la Musica in Centro Habana...I was there in July and there were nothing but working girls, tourists and tourists dates. They aren't going to approach you and talk to you but they will walk and stop right in front of you or hang out beside you at the bar/ your table. Honestly, I'm personally done with gong to Cuba...it's worth going to see but I mean the reality is you get laid and maybe the girl doesn't ask you for money but she definately hopes you give her some. A LTR can be hundreds of times more profitable for these girls and hence why it seems like your getting laid easily. The reality is though, there is a lot of stigma to be with a gringo and while it's accepted a normal girl isn't going to be going out and have ONS with gringos. That would get her the reputation as a jinetera. I lived there for a few months this summer and honestly was planning on writing a trip report but have been very busy with school.

You need to consider where your hanging out and meeting people. If your meeting people in discos and the malecon, parque central...it's usually not an accident.

Hooking up with girls who are living on 15 dollars a month albeit they have food, medical etc. covered isn't all that thrilling. With that said there does appear to be a portion of society in Cuba making lots of money. But this is a ridiculously small portion. The majority are living on 10-100 dollars a month. Hence, you will see albeit rarely a Cuban driving an Audi, mercedes etc. This is usually limited to sports stars, musicians and people who have made it in the underground economy from what I've seen and read.

There are some really beautiful women. But these girls are usually found in the most expensive clubs. The problem here is that your not going to have a clue what or who she is...a high percentage of the girls will be working the night shift, then you've got girls who have a Cuban boyfriend/ husband abroad, then you've got the in girls...(very small percentage...) they quite possibly come from money. It takes a really really long time to get out of the typical tourist haunts. Everyone i've ever met there ends up hanging around with the hustlers.
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#27

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Yes, I agree. What you describe is not very fulfilling. However, the country on itself is very fascinating and worth a visit. Always suspecting that a woman is with you for the money leaves a bad taste in your mouth, though.
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#28

Cuba

Muc +1from me
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#29

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Interesting documentary on life in Cuba. Don't let the title fool you. Worth watching in my opinion.
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#30

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Quote: (12-23-2011 08:00 PM)Luckystar Wrote:  

Interesting documentary on life in Cuba. Don't let the title fool you. Worth watching in my opinion.

http://vimeo.com/33851895

Decent Doc. Looks like he lucked out meeting a non whore during his trip.
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#31

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Quote: (12-23-2011 10:04 PM)bigxxx Wrote:  

Quote: (12-23-2011 08:00 PM)Luckystar Wrote:  

Interesting documentary on life in Cuba. Don't let the title fool you. Worth watching in my opinion.

http://vimeo.com/33851895

Decent Doc. Looks like he lucked out meeting a non whore during his trip.

His other videos are entertaining as well. Seems like one of us in many ways.
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#32

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Quote: (12-23-2011 08:00 PM)Luckystar Wrote:  

Interesting documentary on life in Cuba. Don't let the title fool you. Worth watching in my opinion.

http://vimeo.com/33851895

Good link, thanks for posting.

It's spot-on. I remember what I felt when we were in Cuba. And the feeling when we left. That video brought it all back.

"Are you happy?" indeed.
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#33

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Quote: (12-23-2011 08:00 PM)Luckystar Wrote:  

Interesting documentary on life in Cuba. Don't let the title fool you. Worth watching in my opinion.

http://vimeo.com/33851895

Just watched the entire documentary. One of the best travel videos I've seen this year.
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#34

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I would recommend the documentary too. A couple of comments though.

First, thats dude's Spanish is absolutely horrible so it proves that you don't need good Spanish to get laid there. Second, the hookers that were asking $80 or $50 were taking him for an idiot. $20 is a months wages in Cuba. I seriously doubt there is a hooker that would ever turn down $20.

Third, the documentary is not really about Cuba, it's about Havana. The police hassling you for walking in the street with a Cuban chick happens alllllllllll the damn time in Havana and when you get out of the capital and go to the much smaller cities like Pinar Del Rio, you hardly ever even see police on the streets.

Made me kind of want to go back. Have not been there since 2002
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#35

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To revive this thread..
Can anyone recommend a particular Casa Particular? I am looking for a place in the center of Havana, but not too expensive..
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#36

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Just show up, its really easy to find them and I could tell you today a number for one. But if they get a client before your there your SOL. I.e most people just book upon arrival.
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#37

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Cuba is a real mixed bag. I loved parts of it and hated others. If you go there there looking for women, you have picked a relatively difficult place. The bottom line is that the Cuban authorities don't like or want Cuban citizens "fraternising" with tourists. That simple principle will define your relations with Cubans when you visit. The average Cuban girl is frightened of getting in to trouble with the Police if she is seen with a foreigner and checks on the street are common. Most neighbourhoods also have community political activists who will report girls who are seen with foreigners to the authorities. It still is possible to hook up with a local girl as enforcement by the Police can vary from time to time and place to place.

This leaves the field clear for the jineteros and jineteras. These are the professionals and hustlers who ususally speak passable English. Many of the girls that a lot of foreign guys experience in Cuba will be jineteras; they expect payment one way or another. If you go to the mainstream clubs in Havana or other places in Cuba, the place will be full of them.

It is possible to hook up with local Cuban girls, but it isn't that easy. You will need Spanish, connections and time to do so. I am suspicious of anyone who claims to have scored with a lot of Cuban girls on his two week vacation. That may have been the scene in the 1990's but it is not the case today.

Cuba is unique in some respects, but the basic principle of a place becoming played out due to overexposure to horny foreign guys (as in my opinion, Rio has become and Medellin is becoming) applies here but with a particularly Cuban slant that harks back to the 1990's when Cuba gained the tag as a sex tourist destination. The Government is determined not to let that re-occur.
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#38

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Has anyone who american been able to go with State department clearance(legally). I have several friends who have been but they are forum guys.

"All My Bitches love me....I love all my bitches,
but its like soon as I cum... I come to my senses."
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#39

Cuba

I just came back from my second trip so here's a little update on that.

This time I traveled with 3 friends. We met up in Havana and stayed in two casas. It hasn't changed much. There's hustlers everywhere. And hookers, of course. This time I didn't feel the need to hook up. Last year I was in a bad place after a breakup so I fucked a few girls (didn't pay though except for one), but this time I didn't feel inspired (or maybe horny enough) to do so. In one club a very attractive teenage girl approached me and we vibed a little bit. But eventually she dropped the info that she would fuck me for money and that turned me completely off. I introduced her to another tourist and said goodbye.

Nevertheless, here's some quick info on other cities and, perhaps most importantly, where to find tourist girls.

Havana

Casas should cost you between 20 and 30 CUC (1 CUC = 1.25 EUR), hotels are vastly more expensive. Don't expect warm water or toilet paper (bring your own). A meal should be between 5 and 15 CUC and there is decent food in Cuba, if you go to the right places. The recommendations for Havana in the Lonely Planet guide are good. You can also get a nice pizza on the street for less than 1 CUC which is mostly good. (Though I had one day of diarrea after eating one, so judge yourself.)

Internet costs 6 CUC per hour and is available in hotels and post offices. It's 28.8 modem speed with outdated browsers. Forget uploading photos etc.

Car rental costs about 300 CUC for a small Kia or Hyundai, european driver's license is no problem, credit card required.

ATMs are easy to find. Getting cash from a bank or exchange office (Cadeca - casa de cambio) is hit or miss, because sometimes their connections are interrupted and they cannot swipe your card. Passport required to get money that way, but at least you don't have to use an ATM. (One ATM swallowed my card and switched off completely afterwards due to some error, so I recommend you use the counters.)

Hookers cost, should you be inclined to pursue them, around 20 CUC, but they will ask for 100 or more first. If you want to hustle Cuba, you can promise them 50 and then say you only have 5. Don't know. It's what some British guy told me he did. There's no pimps, it seems, so nobody will break your legs if you cheat a hooker.. But, I do not recommend all that shit. Just FYI, heh.

Spanish is a requirement but we managed to get by with english, french and some emergency spanish from a phrase book. It was fun and our language skills improved.

Party in Havana: Go to places like Hotel Florida, Casa de la musica, or hang out at the Malecon to meet people. There's other places that are good, check Lonely Planet guide for that.

Don't buy any cigars from street hustlers. You are either overpaying, buying stolen goods or counterfeit cigars.

Cienfuegos

Cienfuegos is a small city (130.000) at the south coast, about 4 hours away from Havana (by car). We really enjoyed this place. There's some fantastic casas for rent directly at the waterfront in Punta Gorda. Villa Lagarto is the perfect destination if you are traveling with your girlfriend or wife. We felt for the first time that we're in what tourists might describe as paradise in that city.

There's also a street called Malecon that connects Punta Gorda and the inner town where many young people hang out. We've witnessed some open air music (including Rock and Metal, which was surprising in the country of Salsa and Reaggaton), but there's also 3 or 4 decent clubs.

Quick warning about the club "Benny More". My friends iPhone got stolen there so be careful on the crowded dancefloor. Other clubs include the "Hotel Jagua" and the "El Cubanissimo Artez", which are typical Cuban clubs. Shitty Reaggaton, some live shows, Mojitos and Vodka for 2 - 3 CUC and beers for 1. Do not believe a local that tells you he can get you in cheaper. He's trying to rip you off. The cover charge is usually 2 - 5 CUCs in the clubs. Taxis between clubs and Punta Gorda (where you will stay) should not cost more than 3 CUC. But they will ask for 5 or more..

Cienfuegos has a fantastic beach nearby called "Rancho Luna". Can be reached by taxi for 8 - 10 CUC each way. Tell the driver to pick you up at some designated time later, because it's more difficult to find a taxi there.

The beach has clear, warm water. Nice things like huge turtles, swarms of fish and crabs. Some beach vendors which are far less annoying than anyone in Havana. It's difficult to rent a boat though. (You can get a Yacht at the marina but it's expensive because you have to rent a crew even if, like in our case, we had the proper licensing to operate big boats.)

There's a nice little resort hotel for 40 - 70 CUC per day directly at the beach, perhaps it's worth checking out to meet tourists.

Food in Cienfuegos is good, especially fish, lobster and such. Don't pay more than 10 CUC for a meal though.

Trinidad

Trinidad is about 1.5 hours away from Cienfuegos. It's a much smaller city, but it's beautiful in the sense that it looks like nothing changed for hundreds of years. Some fantastic casas for rent here, too. Send me a PM if you want a recommendation.

Since the city is very small you should probably not stay longer than for 2 days. However, because of the size you are more likely to run into tourist girls since you want to avoid locals that want your money.

There's a dance club in a beautiful location: It's inside of a natural cave. Take a taxi and ask for the cave and they will know. Don't pay more than 5 CUC for the taxi and, again, set up a pick up time for the way back.

The club is where you are most likely to find tourists. Drinks are the usual price and the music sucks as usual.

Trinidad is good if you want to buy souvenirs. Lots of competition means a lot of room for negotiating prices.

We spend 5 days there and most of the time we were just hanging out in the park drinking beer. Sounds shitty, I know, but after a while we knew a lot of people in the city. They would just be curious and approach as for a chat. We had a good time.

If you want to be classy and have some spare change then go to the five star Iberostar hotel bar. Expensive, but rare drinks. And the bar man is a real recommendation. He is charming as hell, looks like George Clooney, and is the most knowledgable man in terms of fine drinks that I have ever met. Me and one friend kept going there to remind ourselves what life as James Bond must be like. Beautiful people with nice clothes, a 20 CUC cigar that goes along with a shot of Rum that costs 20 CUC. And a barman that tells you about exotic wines from Guatemala. Highly recommended. Dress appropriately for full effect.

For 6 CUC you can go to Playa Ancon south of Trinidad. This is the best beach I have seen in Cuba, beautiful waterfront, white sandy beach, some resorts nearby, you can rent a boat or go diving at the coral reefs.

Playas del Este

Our last stop was a town called Guanabo at the Playas del Este near Havana. We slept in a 25 CUC casa together with various insects and cockroaches and drinking water that was salt water. Crappy living, but the beaches are nice. It might have been because of the hurricane, but the water was rough. So it was a different experience from the south coast. It was perfect conditions for kite-surfing if that's your thing.

The city of Guanabo (and nearby Santa Maria) are slow paced, relaxed places, perfect to unwind. Almost no hustlers and hookers that tried to approach as here. We've met some new friends though. Food was cheaper than in any other place in Cuba (around 4 - 5 CUC for a decent meal), too.

There's some clubs but we didn't visit. I assume it's the same shit as always so we didn't bother.

Meeting tourist girls

Cuba is popular with Russian tourists so that's where you should raise an eyebrow. Reason: Russian girls. (I am a big fan.)

However, it's tough to find tourists in Havana or Cienfuegos, because there haven't been many there and if you found them, chances are they were either couples or girls that are fed up with being approached all the time.

But yes, if you go to Trinidad, you are bound to run into them because of the city's size, and there's also the cave. In Cienfuegos you might get lucky at Rancho Luna, in Trinidad at Playa Ancon, as well.

But there's a better way to meet them, and I only have this information from meeting other travellers from Canada and the UK: Go to all-inclusive resort hotels, for example in Varadero.

We heard several stories (and seen proof pictures) from guys hooking up with Russians, Germans and Italians at those resorts. Apparently hurrican Sandy turned Varadero into a huge orgy when everyone stayed inside and had a lot of alcohol.

So if I go back to Cuba I'll probably do an all-inclusive trip, just to have the keys to the beach resorts.

Summary

My first trip to Havana was, in comparison, like a trip to some horrible dystopia where the food is bad, where almost every girl is a prostitute and every guy is a thief and hustler.

But this time I left a different country. There are nice, honest Cuban people, there's good food, there's fantastic landscapes and coasts, and there's options to party besides the mainstream tourist traps.

It's a country that is about to change. Socialism slowly turns into Capitalism, information spreads because Internet is available and starting next January Cubans will be allowed to leave the country for the first time in decades, provided they have the cash for the trip. If you want to see socialism before it all collapses, go there now.

Still, Cuba is by all means not a cheap country. So bring a decent amount of money. And one has to be aware of pickpockets and fraud.
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#40

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Still, Cuba is by all means not a cheap country. So bring a decent amount of money. And one has to be aware of pickpockets and fraud.

NOT A CHEAP COUNTRY? how can that be? Is it more expensive than the DR, or Colombia
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#41

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Quote: (10-31-2012 01:20 PM)ZonZon Wrote:  

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Still, Cuba is by all means not a cheap country. So bring a decent amount of money. And one has to be aware of pickpockets and fraud.

NOT A CHEAP COUNTRY? how can that be? Is it more expensive than the DR, or Colombia


Cuba is not cheap. A lot of people go there thinking it is and end up shocked at how expensive it is. Every backpacker I met their whined and complained at how expensive it was.

There are essentially two ways to live in Cuba. The good life or the super cheap life. The super cheap life doesn't really exist for foreigners because the cheapest rents are about 450 a month and we are talking a pretty shitty place in Havana for that where you are essentially renting a room. You can eat god awful 20 cent - 1 dollar pizzas. But if you want to eat well and in line with what you eat back home it costs. Night club entrances cost. Taxis aren't cheap. Everything costs. You'll here about guys saying its cheap based on the amount they are getting laid cause they are nailing 20 dollar hookers. (Trust me when I say the quality of these 20 dollar girls is lacking.) If you want to be around high end beautiful girls it is VERY expensive for a 3rd world country. The hot hookers are significantly more expensive than 20 dollars.

It's cheap for Cubans because they a) have a half months food provided for them which sucks ass. b) They have a house provided for them where they sleep multiple people per bed. c) They use buses which are brutal. d) They use maquinas as well which are an adventure to get around in but most tourists would have trouble finding these. e) They also don't eat out or buy commercial goods or even go out partying for that matter.

But then theres the good life which costs a lot especially in Havana. This is the life the beautiful people live as well as the privileged.
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#42

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Once Venezuela stops the oil flow to cuba , the good old days will return for us guys
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