[Pilgrim37]

(05-11-2010 11:20 AM)gringoed Wrote:  

So if I were to go somewhere in the north of Brazil for a month to enjoy warm weather and beaches, with a chill laid back (hippie?) vibe. Would you guys recommend a place like Fortaleza, Joao Pessoa, or somewhere else?

Hi,
I'm new to Roosh...but been following the site for a while and it's kept me well amused while freezing in London!Well done Bud..this site seems to have longevity..hope you're getting some sponsorship of some kind!

Well,my girlfriend's from Fortaleza and I visited first for a month this February.
I had a bit of a "domesticated " visit ie no nightclubs but I got to see a fair bit.
Not a pretty town although they've managed to save some of the old town and turned it into small bars and a cultural centre ,but always warm,and beach weather with a breeze on the beach.Which is the important thing...Right?
Definately Fortaleza in the North compared to somewhere like Recife which I went to a year ago,which has an ok beach but is otherwise non descript/industrial city ,although I've heard it's got great nightlife/music scene.
Forta is well known as a tourist spot with Beira Mar and Praia Futuro with it's great barraccas during the day .Girlfriend says good clubs too and the famous Pirata bar/club.
If you're going alone,definately hostel it as I think it 'd be a difficult sell on your own ,without Portuguese.
Away days and trips to Porto das Dunas for it's awesome endless beach.
Hippy vibe :get a trip out to Jerricoacoara?...didn't manage to get there but my girlfriend and friends say it's Great,although a little more developed these days.

Game wise...I 'm a little out of the loop there for obvious reasons and also my Portuguese is at the beginner level.
All I can say is if you come out of one of those big Brazilian shopping malls after an hour or so wondering about,especially on a Saturday or Sunday without considering yourself a complete incorrigible pervert that needs to be strung up for the filthy thoughts running through your mind .....then you must have been either Desexed or be gay..

I'm trying to find a way to spend more time there and split my time between there and here(London) ...all down to money though,and teaching English wouldn't cut it standard of living wise...

I've been looking for a small business/poussada to buy and I've just seen a great barracca to buy there on the net,but they want 800,000 reals for it!!

Money ,when shall thou release me from your vicious Grip

Hope this helps...

[Vacancier Permanent]

Pilgrim,
Welcome on board mate!

You're right that the centro/downtown Fortaleza (Aldeota bairro) is a nice place to kick back at night as there a ton of small bars/restaurants with patios and at night they all spill onto the streets and it turns as a mini Lapa. Very cool place. Had a lot of fun there with a local girl.

In Fortaleza, the trick is to make sure that you distance yourself from the hordes of Ritals (Italians) and other Euro sex tourists as these abound there all year long, specially during the North Hemisphere summer (June-end of August). Make it known right from the beginning that you're not Italian, that'd be a life saver as far as your chances of landing a nice non pro is.

Pilgrim is spot on about excursions to other cities in any direction outside of Fortaleza. Places such as Beribebe, Canoa Quebrada, and of course, Jericoacoara (Jeri in short) are must see for the out of this world beaches, some of the best you'll see anywhere in the world. Both Canoa Quebrada and Jeri are among the top 10 most beautiful beaches in the world (I'm not the one saying it, it's been made official in a recent Forbes survey) but also for the big sand dunes where you can sand surf on them. Another must do thing is to do a buggy ride on the beaches around Fortaleza. If you're with a buddy and have time, a must do thing is to rent a buggy and go all the way from Fortaleza to Natal through the beaches and dunes in a 800 miles journey where you'll see nothing but pristine virgin beaches and small fishermen villages. You'll be blown away by the scenery and the myriads of natural swimming pools inside the huge sand dunes is a sight to see to believe. Insane stuff. One of the most beautiful scenery you'll see anywhere in the world.

Fortaleza is a fun, cool and relatively inexpensive city (by Brasilian standard given the currently very strong Real).

Joao Pessoa, I am not familiar as I haven't been there yet but I have heard/read heaps of praises about it by both Brasileiros and gringos.

Hope this helps.

There's a vibrant nightlife in Fortaleza, every night of the week, there's a place which is bombing, meaning the place is packed to capacity with hot babes and all the good fun. The trick is to know where the action is on any given night. Best way to do so is to simply approach local girls in a nice and ask them about what's fun that night and where. As simple as that. I'd gladly post a list of these places, but unfortunately they change and alternate all the time, even week from week. So best is to contact some locals through Orkut and let them keep you in the loop as to what's happening and where at.

Ged,
For a nice relaxing time in a month at the beach in North East Brasil, you really can't go wrong with either Fortaleza or Joao Pessoa. Keep in mind that JP is more of a family oriented, less touristy place, quieter but with splendid beaches and hot babes while Fortaleza is the most touristy place in NE Brasil. In Fortaleza, a good appartment can be had for a good price there, but don't book it online. Stay the first 2 nights or so in a decent hotel/pousada and then go hunting during that time for a longer term place. Go in person to the agencies as they are everywhere in the Beira Mar area. Needless to say Portuguese skills will be very important as you'll find the best deals in the local papers' classifieds for you to call and get the directions of the places. Or you could just go door to door on each building and inquire.

[digitalamish]

Hey, guys!
How's the ethnic mix in Fortaleza?
Is it all pretty much African/Mulata since it's way up North?
I imagine nothing like the middle or south of Brazil...
Thanks!

[Vacancier Permanent]

While the typical Nordestino look is short, stocky, no neck and a square head, in Fortaleza you'd find a little of everything as this is a very touristic city attracting people from all over Brasil. Of course, the middle class/elite are of white etnicity but you'll find some nice morenas and mulatas too and throw in some truly exotic indian/Amazon girls and you have Fortaleza. While you won't find the sheer # of stunning babes you'd find in Rio/SP, Curitiba, Belo Horizonte, Brasilia or Goiania, you can still find enough sexy and beautiful chick to keep you busy for a lifetime. But portuguese is a must there along with distancing yourself from the hordes of Italian and other Euro sex tourists.

[Pilgrim37]

Hi, thanks for the welcome Vacancier.....
Yes you're right a big mix of girls as you would expect in any city of over 2 million.and about the Italians ,that's about the only foreign language I heard.My girlfriend says they come for the lolitas!
Digita...In Brazil there's always going to be mixes/mullattas where ever you go from what I can tell,although I haven't been way south other than Sao Paulo,which has every hue or shade you could wish for ..even in the middle upper classes,although of course it's European race wise mainly...but yes I think the North more so for the darker .
As for great looking girls, there are Alot everywhere but as the old adage goes to find high concentrations then you'll have to "Follow the Money" with all that that entails!
Cause that's what happens to the cream of the girls/women looks wise,they generally rises to the top!

A percentage of the hottest women from all the parochial cities will gravitate to the major cities then the capital,then the cream from there will find their way via modelling/entertainment or marriage to New York,Paris,London etc.....

.... then the Cream of that you'll find sitting on Leonardo Di Caprio's cock!

That's the way it goes....But that's just looks....we all like a pretty girl but in my book character counts for more and more the more years I stack up!

[gringoed]

Great info, thanks guys.

Right now I think I've narrowed it down to three places that seem pretty interesting and fitting my criteria, although I'm still not totally sure.

-Manaus (After Cordoba, the easier the girls, the better. Can anyone vouch for this?)
-Joao Pessoa (seems like a chill beach vibe I'm after)
-Vitoria (BrandonE and Roosh have said good things, but if it's true that the girls are harder than Cordoba then I'll pass)

Thoughts?

[Vacancier Permanent]

Ged,
You'll get raped in Manaus by the very aggressive girls there. So be prepared.
You can't go wrong with Joao Pessoa, it'll be chill, relax, close to some heavenly beaches just outside town in either direction. Get a nice local girl to be your guide and take her to a nice smaller beach town and you'll have some of the most relaxing time you can imagine.

What I'd suggest you is make some contacts there online before you get to these towns. Open an account on Orkut and make contacts with both cool guys and hot chicks. The cool guys will give you a run down of the scene and take you to nice clubs and even be your wingman if you're good to them (buy them a drink or two or lunch/dinner will usually do it) and the hot chick, well, you'd have a hot guide to show you her town.
Btw, when are you touching down in Brasil?

Hope this helps.

[gringoed]

Right now I'm thinking a week in Iguazu then touching down around 6/7. Manaus sounds pretty great.

[OGNorCal707]

V.P. if I am correct didn't you say that you've personally never been to Manaus? I ask because a lot of times second hand rumors and info. often times get blown out of proportion. Do you have friends that have been there and gave you detailed reports? I am curious about this as well, I did alright in Brazil on my trip this past winter, one tourist girl (British) and one hot Brasilian (Paulista), but I still feel that I didn't quite reach my potential. I am still in the developmental stages of game, and have never been to a place where the women are hot and sexually aggressive, that is why I am so intrigued by what you say about Manaus...

[InternationPlayboy]

(05-13-2010 05:02 PM)gringoed Wrote:  

Great info, thanks guys.

Right now I think I've narrowed it down to three places that seem pretty interesting and fitting my criteria, although I'm still not totally sure.

-Manaus (After Cordoba, the easier the girls, the better. Can anyone vouch for this?)
-Joao Pessoa (seems like a chill beach vibe I'm after)
-Vitoria (BrandonE and Roosh have said good things, but if it's true that the girls are harder than Cordoba then I'll pass)

Thoughts?

As far as Vitoria being hard, maybe a little more than Rio or other spots in Brazil, but the women in Vitoria are much prettier. There are hot girls all over the clubs and a great ratio. I kinda just stayed with one girl when I was down there and I met her maybe a week after I got there. I got some attention from other girls when I was with her and she would get super jelous. I don't think its really THAT hard to pull a girl in Vitoria. I definitely did get shut down a bunch there, but you just have to be persistent. Some nights are good, and some are bad. And it's all about finding the girls who are into you. It would have been interesting to see what else I could have pulled if I didn't just stick with that one girl. I would also check out Belo Horizonte though, supposed to be real good shit. I think it's about an 8 hour bus ride from Vitoria.

[digitalamish]

(05-13-2010 10:24 PM)Brandon E Wrote:  

(05-13-2010 05:02 PM)gringoed Wrote:  

Great info, thanks guys.

Right now I think I've narrowed it down to three places that seem pretty interesting and fitting my criteria, although I'm still not totally sure.

-Manaus (After Cordoba, the easier the girls, the better. Can anyone vouch for this?)
-Joao Pessoa (seems like a chill beach vibe I'm after)
-Vitoria (BrandonE and Roosh have said good things, but if it's true that the girls are harder than Cordoba then I'll pass)

Thoughts?

I would also check out Belo Horizonte though, supposed to be real good shit. I think it's about an 8 hour bus ride from Vitoria.

Hey Brandon,
How are long distance buses in Brazil? Is it safe to leave your laptop in the checked-in luggage? Things like that...

[Vacancier Permanent]

(05-13-2010 09:55 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  

V.P. if I am correct didn't you say that you've personally never been to Manaus? I ask because a lot of times second hand rumors and info. often times get blown out of proportion. Do you have friends that have been there and gave you detailed reports? I am curious about this as well, I did alright in Brazil on my trip this past winter, one tourist girl (British) and one hot Brasilian (Paulista), but I still feel that I didn't quite reach my potential. I am still in the developmental stages of game, and have never been to a place where the women are hot and sexually aggressive, that is why I am so intrigued by what you say about Manaus...

You're right that I have not been yet to Manaus but I do have several good friends of mine (brasileiros and gringos) who went to Manaus and had a ball. Even one friend of mine who's bi, he said he couldn't resist the girls in Manaus. He has been to Manaus a couple of times for both vacation and work and he tells me each time that in Manaus, he is approached all the time by girls in the streets. At nights, in clubs, he said that he was attacked by girls. Manaus based on the reports from friends is a must go place, not only for the super sexy and easy girls but also for the spectacular scenery.
Needless to say that Manaus is very high on my list of places to visit on my next time in Brasil. Just make sure you don't go to Manaus during high raining season which is right now.

[Mrs. Chocolate]

I am not Brandon but...
In Brazil there are bus from anywhere to everywhere, since it is still expensive for most of people travel by plane and several places does not have an airport yet. A trip can be done in three days by bus, and more 6 hours by ship and so on... especially in Amazonas, Mato Grosso do Sul...

[Vacancier Permanent]

In the interior, specially in the Northeast, I would not travel by night in a bus, way too dangerous. Bus attacks are not uncommon in those areas.
Bussing in Brasil is a tough call due to the distance can get lengthy and not always confortable. Much better value to just hop on a plane. Ex: Rio-Fortaleza is like 3 and 1/2 days by bus as opposed to 3 hours by plane. That's a no brainer in my mind.

[speakeasy]

(05-14-2010 10:18 PM)Vacancier Permanent Wrote:  

In the interior, specially in the Northeast, I would not travel by night in a bus, way too dangerous. Bus attacks are not uncommon in those areas.
Bussing in Brasil is a tough call due to the distance can get lengthy and not always confortable. Much better value to just hop on a plane. Ex: Rio-Fortaleza is like 3 and 1/2 days by bus as opposed to 3 hours by plane. That's a no brainer in my mind.

Plus the Brazilian buses are freezing cold and pretty dirty. Not nice like the buses in Chile and Argentina. My 24 hour bus ride across Brazil was SO uncomfortable, but on the Andesmar and Via Bariloche lines in Argentina, I was so comfy I didn't even want to get off after 16 hours! Seriously, I enjoyed sleeping on those buses more than I did in the hostels.

[elguapo]

I definitely agree with Speakeasy.

The bus from Buenos Aires to Cordoba was a dream. The second floor was 180 degree beds so I slept like a baby.

In Brazil, so far the buses have been just regular reclining seats so a long distance journey wouldn't be as relaxing.

[InternationPlayboy]

(05-13-2010 10:39 PM)digitalamish Wrote:  

(05-13-2010 10:24 PM)Brandon E Wrote:  

(05-13-2010 05:02 PM)gringoed Wrote:  

Great info, thanks guys.

Right now I think I've narrowed it down to three places that seem pretty interesting and fitting my criteria, although I'm still not totally sure.

-Manaus (After Cordoba, the easier the girls, the better. Can anyone vouch for this?)
-Joao Pessoa (seems like a chill beach vibe I'm after)
-Vitoria (BrandonE and Roosh have said good things, but if it's true that the girls are harder than Cordoba then I'll pass)

Thoughts?

I would also check out Belo Horizonte though, supposed to be real good shit. I think it's about an 8 hour bus ride from Vitoria.

Hey Brandon,
How are long distance buses in Brazil? Is it safe to leave your laptop in the checked-in luggage? Things like that...

Dude, I don't know what all the fuss about the busses in Brazil are. I'm not sure if people don't know to get executivo, duplos, or better. Pay the extra $10 for the nicer bus. The lowest end bus you want to get is executivo probably. I never found a bus dirty, maybe a little cold, but most companies I traveled through gave out blankets anyways. I thought the busses were much better than north american busses. I took busses all over. Planes are typically close to double the price. Some cheaper plane companies are GOL and something "Azul" can't remember the exact name, they just opened up a couple months ago though. The only time I flew in Brazil was when I went from Vitoria to Florianopolis, as I'm guessing the ride would have taken somewhere around 22+ hours. I went from Sao Paulo, to Minas, to Rio, to Vitoria, From Floripa, to Sao Paulo, to Vitoria, back to Sao Paulo, all on busses. I didn't mind it, though the 15 hours from Vitoria to Sao Paulo got a little nerve racking knowing that I would have another 50+ hours to travel when I arrived at the bus depot.

[speakeasy]

Brandon, what bus company do you recommend in Brazil? I only took Pluma(which someone told me was the best) and it sucked balls compared to the Chilean and Argentinian buses, yet was twice the price for less than half the quality.

[InternationPlayboy]

(05-18-2010 01:21 AM)speakeasy Wrote:  

Brandon, what bus company do you recommend in Brazil? I only took Pluma(which someone told me was the best) and it sucked balls compared to the Chilean and Argentinian buses, yet was twice the price for less than half the quality.

hmmmmmm...... Trying to think of the name of the companies. I believe one I took was agua branca or something like that. It all kinda depends on where your leaving from and going to. I went through multiple companies though and I never really took a bus I was uncomfortable on. My local friends set me up right and told me what to take from the begining, then I started to figure it out. It's not really the company, it's the type of bus you take. One company might have a shitty bus with no AC and cramped seats, but then they have another bus that's a duplo where your seats recline all the way back, basically into a bed. Yeah, those busses are probably all going to be much more expensive than in Argi and Chili, but so is everything else in Brazil. And I think I read something about not taking busses at night? Almost every bus I took was over night. There's nothing to worry about.

[Mrs. Chocolate]

When I was working on Sertões, the organization payed to "let their buses pass" during the night without be bottered. Bear in mind where are you going to. If you are going to a major town, I guess it is okay travel by night, since that some places it takes more than a day to go by bus. BUT, if it is a desert place, try to go during the morning

[InternationPlayboy]

(05-18-2010 04:43 PM)Mrs. Chocolate Wrote:  

When I was working on Sertões, the organization payed to "let their buses pass" during the night without be bottered. Bear in mind where are you going to. If you are going to a major town, I guess it is okay travel by night, since that some places it takes more than a day to go by bus. BUT, if it is a desert place, try to go during the morning

Yeah, but what do you think your odds are of your bus being robbed? Think about how many busses pass by that same spot in one night.

[Mrs. Chocolate]

Oh, a lot of them! The Teams' buses, the organization buses - more than 10 for sure and pickups (150km/h in the middle of nowhere in the dark... wow. Lol), the press (our bus and pickups)....
The odds to my bus being robbed would be the post production equipaments (MACs, Cameras, tapes...), the danger of being robbed itself... They know that there are expensive equipaments in there. The road is the worse as possible, the companies also payed to the road boys put some rocks when it rains. But forget it, it is the middle of nowhere, not turistic at all even being as most beautiful wonders that I ever seen (by tape, because when I passed by it was night and you can't see nothing and you are too tired to keep awake.) No regular bus would travel in this conditions... Only the worst company ever. And the others used to pass by the desert roads have their agreements. (to my mind) The robbers are more into trucks (fuel, greens, cars!).