Quote: (02-06-2013 07:24 PM)Ziltoid Wrote:
Quote: (02-06-2013 12:45 AM)mikeymike Wrote:
yeah I don't think so...there are at least a half dozen pro hormones that blow it outta the water...glutamine, bcaas and eaas are equally important to more important than creatine to lifters results and wellbeing...one could argue that a good protein powder will yield better results...it may be in the upper echelon of supplements in that it actually does something vs nothing like most supps but depending on your goal there is better ways to spend your money.
Prohormones aren't supplements, they're drugs...
Glutamine is a good general health and wellness supplements but the evidence doesn't hold up well for it directly aiding lean body mass gain. BCAAs are a big waste of money, IMO... Supplemental BCAA's are pretty damn pricey, and if you're already eating a decent diet (among others, whey protein happens to contain a lot of branched chain amino acids) then you're getting plenty as it is. The only real compelling use for supplemental BCAA's would be, I think, a cutting cycle where you're severely restricting your calories.
Whey protein powder is definitely good stuff for post workout purposes, but it's a bit pricey to just be gulping down all day long. It's beneficial, but it's not a game changer... You won't start exploding with muscle or breaking strength plateaus from the introduction of whey into your routine.
For strength and LBM, creatine is a game changer.
prohormones are legal, and they're classified as supplements...what you choose to think of them as, is your choice. Creatine is banned in certain countries as a performance enhancer...it's all labels...if you want to label them as drugs so your creatine argument holds more water, so be it but if anyone wants to compare what creatine does against say epistane for example... take them both alone then tell me which one generates better results...
I didn't say glutamine was a lean body mass gainer tho in theory the relase of hgh should help with body fat loss and lean tissue gain...the argument was for a lifter that creatine was the best supplement...I'm saying a lifters body better utilizes glutamine than creatine and recovery is a bigger plus than is lifting 20 pounds heavier...in terms of health and general effectiveness for bb'ers there is a bigger ROI with glutamine.
Again, the argument is what is the better buy for bb'ers, bcaas have a specific role to play and it plays it well. Creatine is cheaper but I find the bcaas a necessary tool when in calorie deficit, I don't find a time that I NEED creatine. I'm willing to concede this one might be personal preference.
Protein powder has uses outside of post workout. It is pricier than creatine but it is strict nutrients your body can build off of. As for not being a game changer I'd disagree...if you're the rare person who gets in enough protein from food then you're set but I'm taking in excess of 350 grams of protein (everybody feel free to save the broscience your body can only absorb so much protein talk) when you're taking in mega doses it's a life saver and you'll need to tell a lot of pros and guys going for their pro cards, guys some of whom I'm training with, others I know well, that protein isn't helping them in their gains. You won't explode with muscle without the right nutrition, you aren't exploding on creatine period without it either, protein powders can be part of that mix...long run if you supplement with protein or creatine which is gonna yield better results? Over a 10 yr span, consistent protein, consistent creatine...
I don't want to mock anybody but the my bros thought I was on juice when I was on creatine, is silly, if they knew gear at all they'd know better...I've played high level sports my entire life, train with athletes and competitors now...nobody made significant strides off creatine consistently, a few pound blows up here and there, a bump up in lifts here and there but nothing that continues significantly with use...the only people that are making strides are people who would've made strides naturally. When you're in very good shape creatine isn't doing anything major for you...bcaas will aid against catabolism, glutamines ability to aid recovery alone is beneficial to every athlete, protein is the building block of muscle....and if you want lean tissue...call them whatever you want but a pro hormone is going to pack on lean slabs of muscle while creatine is going to fill you with water and you'll lift a bit heavier cause you're heavier.
I sound extremely negative on creatine, I'm not as much I sound...but there are very few supplements that are good and this one gets so much hype when the reality is far from the truth. It's a solid supplement, it does something but it's not the best supplement you can invest in...In truth, along side some aas or even insulin (not juice spikes, good ole fashioned diabetic insulin), creatine can be quite effective as there is some very good synergy between certain combos...just in the current supplement mold it is very limited.