[InsurgentMax]

This is one of these theoretical exercises without much practical use so anyone who wants tips/advice could probably skip this thread.

First of all, let me just say that as a Red Pill man I'm a complete subscriber to the Plate Spinning/Abundance/Aloof game mentality of pinging multiple chicks and gauging interest levels based on how much THEY invest in me in the form of text initiation/invites (usually to social gatherings) and the ocassional booty call. Now, this chick I've been seeing for a few weeks pointed out how I'm much more "like a girl" in that she feels that she's always the one trying to get me to come out, that she feels that our interaction framework is "unnatural", to which I immediately responded "So?" and she rolled her eyes.

Anyway, I obviously see no use in reverting to 100% pursuer mode ever again, since the modern western, liberated woman feels much more gina tingles when she is in the presence of an unscrupulously aloof alpha guy with whom SHE has to make constant efforts to steal his attention away from his mission and of course, other girls. But I'm just curious as to whether you guys share the belief that there is something "unmasculine" about being pursued as opposed to being the pursuer. Not that it's always me being chased by supermodels or anything like that, it's often more like 80/20 me being the pursuer, until we're a couple of bangs in where because of my undoubtedly extraordinary sexual prowess that ratio tends to flip.

What do y'all think?

[DLZ]

A lot of the game is just doing things that come natural to girls anyways. Playing coy or aloof, answering questions indirectly, reframing, etc.

If you're spinning plates, why fret over what one lizard thinks is "natural"? It honestly sounds like a shit test to me.

[WestIndianArchie]

(02-01-2013 03:22 PM)InsurgentMax Wrote:  

But I'm just curious as to whether you guys share the belief that there is something "unmasculine" about being pursued as opposed to being the pursuer.

The problem is the chick is confusing the roles of feminine and masculine, with powerful and powerless.

In the realm of relationships, dating, and sex - the prevailing wisdom is, "I have the pussy, I make the rules". Because I am woman, I have the power. It is said that traditionally, even throughout patriarchy, women's base of power was control over sex. (this is of course a lie, women's sexuality has been controlled by men since we crawled out of ooze. It was only until recent human history that a man could be charged for raping his wife, and really that's only in a handful of countries...)

So when you get the girl to chase you, it feels weird to her, because she no longer has the power. A power that she's been told that she has, and is used to having, because so many men believe it.

Ask yourself this question, and look around at the world around you, consider all of your experiences....

Is it more natural for a woman to have power?
Or is it more natural for a man to have power?

I think it's obvious that it's natural for Men to have power.
And for me it follows that holding power is MASCULINE, not feminine.

This is the sort of thing that you have to remind yourself when a girl feels out of sorts about her loss of power.

The real question is what do you with a girl that realizes that she's lost her power?

WIA

[Days of Broken Arrows]

No it's not unmasculine because the super-Alphas like rock stars and politicians are pursued by women.

I don't know how old you are but you should appreciate this while you have it. I was only able to pull this off ages 18-20. After that, all the girls in my orbit split off into relationships and got "serious." I was never able to recreate the period like where I was in with both high school and college girls, both vying for my attention.

(02-01-2013 03:22 PM)InsurgentMax Wrote:  

This is one of these theoretical exercises without much practical use so anyone who wants tips/advice could probably skip this thread.

First of all, let me just say that as a Red Pill man I'm a complete subscriber to the Plate Spinning/Abundance/Aloof game mentality of pinging multiple chicks and gauging interest levels based on how much THEY invest in me in the form of text initiation/invites (usually to social gatherings) and the ocassional booty call. Now, this chick I've been seeing for a few weeks pointed out how I'm much more "like a girl" in that she feels that she's always the one trying to get me to come out, that she feels that our interaction framework is "unnatural", to which I immediately responded "So?" and she rolled her eyes.

Anyway, I obviously see no use in reverting to 100% pursuer mode ever again, since the modern western, liberated woman feels much more gina tingles when she is in the presence of an unscrupulously aloof alpha guy with whom SHE has to make constant efforts to steal his attention away from his mission and of course, other girls. But I'm just curious as to whether you guys share the belief that there is something "unmasculine" about being pursued as opposed to being the pursuer. Not that it's always me being chased by supermodels or anything like that, it's often more like 80/20 me being the pursuer, until we're a couple of bangs in where because of my undoubtedly extraordinary sexual prowess that ratio tends to flip.

What do y'all think?

[presidentcarter]

My first 5 or so bangs took literally zero effort (I was in high school). Hasn't happened consistently again since. They always chased me back then... even when I had serious girlfriends I'd have girls hitting me up out of the blue and telling me the gf would never know.

[agorist]

Young attractive women do have a lot of power, and I believe it isn't anything new, but they are still attracted to men who have more power than them. There has always been a tribal hierarchy, and the most desirable ones had power over many of the men through manipulation abilities. But they didn't have power over the guy they were having sex with.

[InsurgentMax]

Yes. We all seem to agree here. It's just funny that we're so deeply imbedded in the Blue Pill way of thinking that even things that are blatantly true like "The more we invest in something, the more valuable it becomes to us" are often circumvented by the feminine imperative. Oh well, more for us then.

[polymath]

She's trying to get you to chase her. It's only going to feed her ego. Why would you want that?

Sounds like you're doing a good job of not telegraphing too much interest. Keep it up.

[soup]

(02-01-2013 03:53 PM)DLZ Wrote:  

A lot of the game is just doing things that come natural to girls anyways. Playing coy or aloof, answering questions indirectly, reframing, etc.

If you're spinning plates, why fret over what one lizard thinks is "natural"? It honestly sounds like a shit test to me.

These are just things that people do when they are in demand, regardless of sex.

[sylo]

She is telling you to be more dominate. During sex, you should do what you want to do and not worry about her. But at the same time, take it as far as she will let you. I am talking about hair pulling, chokeing, cum on her face. Seriously. Do not ask permissin, just do it. That is basically what she is telling you to do. Have fun

[XXL]

That chick questioning you was shittesting you. And you sir do the most "alpha" game there is IMO.

[InsurgentMax]

(02-09-2013 07:27 AM)sylo Wrote:  

She is telling you to be more dominate. During sex, you should do what you want to do and not worry about her. But at the same time, take it as far as she will let you. I am talking about hair pulling, chokeing, cum on her face. Seriously. Do not ask permissin, just do it. That is basically what she is telling you to do. Have fun

Haha I wonder what made you think that from my OP. I honestly don't think she could take me being that much more dominant in the bedroom. Trust me, it's the only reason she does "the unnatural thing" and hits me up all the time to chill. This is a 19 yo ballet dancer who literally gets 5-6 texts each time we hang from different orbiters offering their dicks, their dignity, etc. She SHOWS ME these as she laughs at them while she's begging me to "please, stay inside her".

Not that I give a shit about anything she says, obviously. I've seen how she treats the guys who "act like men" and pursue her. Always look at she does, not what she says.