[WestIndianArchie]

Not sure which hamster is stronger, hers or y'alls.

What benefit is there in chastity for a woman?

How can any woman extract compliance out of an b alpha by withholding sex? He's alpha.

WIA

[T and A Man]

A woman can't expect compliance out of any alpha, alpha's don't comply.

The benefit a woman gets from chastity is she demonstrates she is a good mate.

The more dicks = the greater chance of cheating, divorce and/or cuckolding.

The inverse means she is better mate selection from a male point of view, particularly the type of male she wants to invest in her.

[clever alias]

but then youve given women a catch 22: slut it up with everyone or be faithful to settle down with an alpha.
but if alphas dont settle down, why should she bother being chaste, an alpha wont stay anyway.
she has a checklist of almost everything guys here say women dont have: shes fit (for her age), dresses well, cooks, cleans, and satisfies sexually.

[T and A Man]

I didn't say high value men don't settle down. I said they don't comply, and has more to do with they tread their own path, and they make their women comply, make them submit to the path they will lead.

I'd assert they settle down when they are ready, and when they are ready, they don't want a cock-hopper.

By a woman demonstrating she isn't a slut, she actually puts herself in the running to be selected.

[cardguy]

(06-11-2013 08:10 PM)WesternCancer Wrote:  

The comments are to be expected.

Its funny how the betas comment saying its gross and that he wouldn't want a women who would fuck so indiscriminately (they do have a point, the thing that repulses me the most are the chicks who fuck completely indiscriminately, think banging randoms off of craigslist or taking home the first guy to talk to them at a club)

And then of course the women reply whining about the double standards and how ALL men are like the woman in the article.

Its hilarious, and intriguing that women only ever consider "men" as the 'alphas' they desire. To a woman beta males don't exist when it comes to their reasoning, they're just sexless drones, and friends.

If theres one thing that would help average dudes understand women it would be the point above. Women can only relate the actions of "men" to those in the top teir. They say "but men fuck tons of girls on the first date too" because they've only been fucked by quality men who don't fuck around. They are completely blind to weak betas.

Absolutely.

Female logic is based on the actions of about 10% of guys. Which is funny because whilst they complain about such 'pigs' these are also the only guys they want to sleep with in the first place.

Of course - it is important not to mix up cause and effect. Since I don't think many betas can become alpha overnight by demanding sex on a first date. It is more subtle than that - and if you fuck it up you will be seen as a date rapist.

Alpha - demands sex on first date - gets it.

Beta - demands sex on first date - gets arrested for date rape.

I guess if you are worried as to whether or not you are an alpha. Then it means you are not. It is like being cool. If you have to try - you have already failed.

[Atilla]

All you need to hear is “relationship expert” to know she’s going to have an attitude that would make her less marriageable than the vast majority of girls out there.

On the other hand, I agree with her advice, at least for non-virgin girls.

The reason is that I favor girls who make sex feel like a result of natural lust than a power struggle or bargain.

Besides, I'd feel insulted if I obeyed a girl’s “no sex without monogamy” rule only to later discover that she’s had plenty of first-date sex in the past.

[cardguy]

(06-11-2013 11:27 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  

I'm with her on this. Especially once a broad gets into her late 30s. They need to stop with all that multiple dates before they give up the ass bullshit. What exactly are you saving it for at that stage of your life? If a man steps to you and is attracted, you need to stop bullshittin'. At that point, you should be all about getting some pleasure before the bottom completely falls out...

[cardguy]

(06-12-2013 08:35 AM)clever alias Wrote:  

i dont get all the hate, she knows whats up: all of her "culture" and "achievements" are second place to the fact that shes a slut in the bedroom.

Yeah - and she dresses well, has good makeup and looks good for her age.

I can't hate on her.

[clever alias]

i dont know why my phone wont quote, but
@T and A man
i get what youre saying, but it just seems like you can find a problem with bith arguments
puts out first date: shes a slut that loves the carasoul vs she satisfy me sexually
prude until marriage: she doesnt sleep around and osnt used goods vs why the fuck should i work for it when lots of girls dont make me
unless you want a girl that is prude until monogamy time hits and then becomes wild with just you; thats ideal, but its a commitment without guaranteed payoff

[Exactaking]

She's had too many bubble milk teas


The aussie accent is weird as shit. I guess American asians immigrate to areas without accents, unless any asians in Texas who talk twangy. Do LA asian talk valleygirl? Probably not, since most of them leave east of the valley:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Gabriel_Valley#Asian_American_influx

[Samseau]

(06-12-2013 09:11 AM)T and A Man Wrote:  

A woman can't expect compliance out of any alpha, alpha's don't comply.

The benefit a woman gets from chastity is she demonstrates she is a good mate.

The more dicks = the greater chance of cheating, divorce and/or cuckolding.

The inverse means she is better mate selection from a male point of view, particularly the type of male she wants to invest in her.

You're presenting a false dichotomy. It's not either a woman be a slut and fuck tons of guys on the first date or be chaste and not fuck on the first date.

A woman can also be extremely selective and yet put out for guys on the first date. The men just need to be alpha enough. As for the betas - they aren't getting any first date sex, nor will they get any second date. I have been with girls who were sexually inexperienced and yet fucked on the first date. They were just waiting for the right alpha to swoop them.

Moreover, it doesn't matter what a woman's notch count is, because she can (and should) lie about it. A woman should tell you her notch count is low even if it's not, and your subconscious male-hamster will have no choice but to be satisfied. Your conscious mind may know she's lying, but it's only the subconscious mind that matters in the game of love.

[Samseau]

By the way - with most American girls under 25 today - they pretty much all operate like this. Either you seduce them on the first date, or you never see them again.

After you bang them, they either push to see you again and a relationship starts or they decide to keep slutting it up and you never see them again. Most women I've seen go with the slut route.

[Walderschmidt]

(06-12-2013 08:59 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

Not sure which hamster is stronger, hers or y'alls.

What benefit is there in chastity for a woman?

How can any woman extract compliance out of an b alpha by withholding sex? He's alpha.

WIA

It's not to extract compliance out of an Alpha - but commitment. Women desire not only to fuck alphas, but to date and marry them. It just so happens that most women today can only but settle for the brief hope of keeping his attention for a sordid affair, which lasts usually a night or three.

Let me engage in some conjecture to make my thoughts more clear. The way I see it, it is a catch twenty two.

1. Sleep on first date? Possible slut. Low value women. No commitment is possible. Doesn't always mean a pump and dump, but it is likely.The alpha got what he want right away. Sure, he's alpha. But she's probably done this before, or would do this again. He's got the milk for free, so there is no way he would ever buy the cow.

2. Don't sleep on first date? Or second? Or third? There's two options. First alpha might lose interest, because he could fuck other girls just fine or call up many a booty call. The woman is just being too damn coy because she thinks her shit doesn't stink. Second, the alpha keeps up with the chase. Then when he fucks her, it's a pump and dump. Woman is dumbfounded. She became just another conquest. All value she provided was her pussy.

If all women did this, it wouldn't be so much of a problem. But with articles like the one in this thread and the throngs of women already following this advice when the right tingles occur, it's hard for women to do this and get away with it (except for betas).

3. The best of both worlds, provided she is sweet, feminine, and otherwise provides value (i.e not repulsive), is to sleep on second or third date. Each time when you escalate she lets you get a little further. In theory, this would go to show that's she's not a slut and that she is interested in you too so as to not become just another conquest. From there, it depends on the quality of the connection she has with the guy. If he has other options who put out quicker or just likes her enough.

Of course, the only girls who really get away with that and do it naturally, in the end, I think are virgins. They've no prior history of giving it up to other men quicker than you (which means you're the simp!), not sleeping with you on first date shows no slut tendencies, and their inexperience provides a reason for reticence to escalate (you have to lead all the way like the Rangers). Also, the reward of sexually molding her to your desire like a sex slave is a good enough reward for waiting.

But of course - few girls are virgins nowadays.

Wald

[Hobnob]

(06-11-2013 07:40 PM)vinman Wrote:  

Penis size
ladies – we know that the majority of men are average at best.

Is this a joke, or is Math education this poor?

[Christian McQueen]

She's not cute, but I have a feeling she'd suck a mean dick in an alley behind a club on her knees.

Fact is for myself, if a girl doesn't give it up by the 2nd meetup then I move on, and that's if she's quite attractive. There's too many options for ONS.

To settle down though, she has to be a virgin or I know her well enough through social circle to know she hasn't had more than an acceptable amount of cocks.

[eradicator]

(06-12-2013 08:59 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

Not sure which hamster is stronger, hers or y'alls.

What benefit is there in chastity for a woman?

How can any woman extract compliance out of an b alpha by withholding sex? He's alpha.

WIA

If a woman has been riding the carousel and been pumped and dumped all her life, she is not going to be worth dating or even put in rotation. She deserves to continue to get pumped and dumped.

[T and A Man]

(06-12-2013 11:38 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

You're presenting a false dichotomy. It's not either a woman be a slut and fuck tons of guys on the first date or be chaste and not fuck on the first date.

No, you've misinterepreted the dichotomy, as shown here...

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A woman can also be extremely selective and yet put out for guys on the first date. The men just need to be alpha enough.

Which is NOT fucking a ton of guys on the first date.

It is fucking a few guys on the first date, the few that qualify as high value.

The women being discussed is talking about fucking EVERY guy on the first date as to determine sexual chemistry, observe penis size and reducing future awkwardness and sexual tension.

A high value male knowing she has fucked every guy before him, it will pretty much eliminate her from prospects as a mate.

Quote:

As for the betas - they aren't getting any first date sex, nor will they get any second date. I have been with girls who were sexually inexperienced and yet fucked on the first date. They were just waiting for the right alpha to swoop them.

Which isn't what the woman being discussed is talking about.

She's saying she views fuck everyone on the first date, including the frustrated chumps.

Quote:

Moreover, it doesn't matter what a woman's notch count is, because she can (and should) lie about it.

She can verbalise a response that is different from the truth yes. Part of training guys here is to recognise if she has had too much dick or not.

However if a woman openly states "I seek to fuck every guy on the first date", such as this woman, I don't need to concern myself about the authenticity of her notch count, I know it is too high.

I can, and probably would, get my end wet but she is not mate material.

Quote:

A woman should tell you her notch count is low even if it's not, and your subconscious male-hamster will have no choice but to be satisfied.

Correct, and that is something all women should use as part of their process in attempting to obtain the best male she can.

She should not scream from the roof tops "Get as much dick as possible". It may even be in her best interest to not only disguise it, but actually not receive too much dick.

Quote:

Your conscious mind may know she's lying, but it's only the subconscious mind that matters in the game of love.

The hormonal sequences that creates 'love' lasts between 6 months to 4 years, and virtually never exceed 4 years.

After that it is not much more than a transaction about provision, protection, sex and the raising of children. The emotions that bind it after 'love' and keep it worthwhile are trust and respect.

Those of us that aspire to fatherhood should make trust and repsect the primary focus of our mating goals, with the euphoric sense of 'love' as secondary.

Thus the primary goal concerns us with mates who are less likely to disrespect us, divorce rape us and keep our children away. The solid method of prevention is to ensure she hasn't had too much dick, if she has had too much dick, she poses too much risk.

When she says "I seek to fuck everyone on the first date"... you don't have to concern yourself with second guessing her notch count.. you can be pretty sure she has had too much dick and should be elimated as a mate prospect.

[Hades]

Upon further reflection I'm a little surprised that an asian chick would be a gold-digger and a size queen.

[Samseau]

T and A - I agree with everything you say. But I think you're not reading the article correctly.

(06-12-2013 09:40 PM)T and A Man Wrote:  

(06-12-2013 11:38 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

You're presenting a false dichotomy. It's not either a woman be a slut and fuck tons of guys on the first date or be chaste and not fuck on the first date.

No, you've misinterepreted the dichotomy, as shown here...

Quote:

A woman can also be extremely selective and yet put out for guys on the first date. The men just need to be alpha enough.

Which is NOT fucking a ton of guys on the first date.

It is fucking a few guys on the first date, the few that qualify as high value.

The women being discussed is talking about fucking EVERY guy on the first date as to determine sexual chemistry, observe penis size and reducing future awkwardness and sexual tension.

A high value male knowing she has fucked every guy before him, it will pretty much eliminate her from prospects as a mate.

No where in the article does she say to be a raging slut. She simply makes two points:

1. Sluts shouldn't be shamed.
2. If you like a man enough to sleep with him, then you should do it as soon as possible.

Nowhere does she say that a girl must fuck 100 dudes. That may be her slutty prerogative, but she doesn't say every girl has to be that way.


Also, of course sluts aren't wife material. But unless you're marrying a virgin, how the hell are you going to know?

[T and A Man]

(06-13-2013 02:10 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

No where in the article does she say to be a raging slut. She simply makes two points:

The article says

From a girl who has slept with countless amounts of men, and a few ladies

That sounds like a self-proclaimed raging slut to me.

Quote:

1. Sluts shouldn't be shamed.

Well that's par for course, her hamster appears to be hulking on its own diabunol cycle.

But we are debating the merits of her self-validation.

Sure, sluts are gunna slut, but once it the public domain like this it becomes advice. We're pointing (and laughing) at a hamster because it is bad advice.

Quote:

2. If you like a man enough to sleep with him, then you should do it as soon as possible.

Correct, but what's lacking in this advice, as opposed to good advice, is that following this urge, this hamster driven impulse, is the consequences of following through with it, namely impairing success in
bonding with high value men.

She's trying to assert being a slut has zero consequences.

Quote:

Nowhere does she say that a girl must fuck 100 dudes.

Not directly, what she is saying sleep with men whenever the impulse takes you, because the notch count is immaterial.

Quote:

That may be her slutty prerogative, but she doesn't say every girl has to be that way.

No, but she is saying there is nothing wrong with being that way.

And there is something very wrong with being that way, we all know that.

To proclaim something so wrong, is why we point at her hasmter, we laugh, we point, we laugh, and when we're finished, we laugh some more.

Quote:

Also, of course sluts aren't wife material. But unless you're marrying a virgin, how the hell are you going to know?

I'm not saying there is a method of detecting every slut.

But when she says "I've slept with countless guys"... you don't need much powers of deduction from that point.

You can't always pick a a slut, but when they identify themselves so clearly, to treat them as such. When she's advising other women to slut up, and declare themselves sluts, it, once again, is bad advice.

[Samseau]

(06-13-2013 02:32 AM)T and A Man Wrote:  

(06-13-2013 02:10 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

No where in the article does she say to be a raging slut. She simply makes two points:

The article says

From a girl who has slept with countless amounts of men, and a few ladies

That sounds like a self-proclaimed raging slut to me.

She is, but she doesn't say anyone should be. She's libertine in her attitude. Doesn't mean she thinks everyone should be a slut, even though she loves it, she just wants girls to do as they please and not fear any consequences.

That's a separate argument from whether or not a girl should make a man wait. And I think her logic on this point is sound. That's all I'm saying dude.

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

(06-12-2013 08:59 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

Not sure which hamster is stronger, hers or y'alls.

What benefit is there in chastity for a woman?

How can any woman extract compliance out of an b alpha by withholding sex? He's alpha.

WIA

Who says that she should want alpha in the first place? For most of our civilized history, most women married (and as virgins too!) betas. It's only in recent times that the environment had allowed their egos to spin out of control and create their insatiable thirst for alphas as well as the means to quench it.

[Blaster]

(06-11-2013 08:10 PM)WesternCancer Wrote:  

Its funny how the betas comment saying its gross and that he wouldn't want a women who would fuck so indiscriminately (they do have a point, the thing that repulses me the most are the chicks who fuck completely indiscriminately, think banging randoms off of craigslist or taking home the first guy to talk to them at a club)

The key is that banging on the first date does not necessarily imply indiscriminate. Banging on EVERY first date, just to see the guy's penis-- yeah. The biggest problems faced by girls willing to bang on the first date are inability to recognize players and over-estimation of their own value leading them to bang men who decide after the fact that they're not interested anymore.

Also, first date bangs won't be appropriate for every couple. A heavy night-life person accustomed to casual sex may need a little more time before a first bang to make a connection and feel invested. Meanwhile an incel who goes to bed every night at 10:00 pm exactly may find their routine is so disrupted by sex-filled nights that they'll burn out within a few dates. The rigid guy may need more time to gently ease into a relationship.

[WestIndianArchie]

(06-12-2013 09:11 AM)T and A Man Wrote:  

A woman can't expect compliance out of any alpha, alpha's don't comply.

The benefit a woman gets from chastity is she demonstrates she is a good mate.

The more dicks = the greater chance of cheating, divorce and/or cuckolding.

The inverse means she is better mate selection from a male point of view, particularly the type of male she wants to invest in her.

From an operational standpoint, no "Alpha" can discern a chick's sexual history.

If anything, the Alpha gets inducted into the "secret society" where full knowledge of a bitch's sexual past and present practices come to light.

So if the Alpha can't ever truly know how many dicks she's ridden, she doesn't suffer any consequence from cock-hopping.

That's the reality of the Sexual Market, of the Game.

If you think you can reverse engineer a chick through her dick sucking skills or speed to hop in bed - you're not living in the real world.

WIA

[T and A Man]

(06-13-2013 08:33 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

From an operational standpoint, no "Alpha" can discern a chick's sexual history.

...except when she broadcasts it.

Quote:

If anything, the Alpha gets inducted into the "secret society" where full knowledge of a bitch's sexual past and present practices come to light.

Except I'm not talking about a case of unknown attempting to figure out the truth, I'm talking about all knowledge coming to hand.

Quote:

So if the Alpha can't ever truly know how many dicks she's ridden, she doesn't suffer any consequence from cock-hopping.

Correct, it is the motive behind women attempting to disuade being held in the esteem of slut, discretion to keep it so a man can 'ever truely know'

.... except when he DOES know because its broadcast.

Quote:

That's the reality of the Sexual Market, of the Game.

Yes, the game is discretion, thus the game breaks down when a woman elects to no longer be discrete.

Quote:

If you think you can reverse engineer a chick through her dick sucking skills or speed to hop in bed - you're not living in the real world.

WIA

I'm not inferring I have, or can have, a level of special deductive powers.

The way the game is played is I am well advised to not get a slut, and a woman is advised to not be regarded as a slut, and the grey in between is the game.

But she's advising to not even regard those rules.

She's advising

"ignore what everyone says and go ahead and bang him on the first date"

and that's utility to be had out of it such as...

"trust me, you want to find this out straight away and get the f*ck out of there"

and even unintended consequences....

"the sex might be amazing and boom: you’ve found yourself a new f*ck-buddy!"

And before a woman escalates intimacy due to her positive feelings, just fuck so....

"before you invest any of your valuable spare time in this man, it’s advantageous for you to meet his penis – and the sooner the better"

yes it's better, it';s a meaningless act right, and....

"you don’t really need to worry so much about the impression you’re giving off on the second date"

and in terms of priorotising mate slection from a female perspective...

"why go through countless dates only to find out that hey – maybe you don’t want his penis in you"

because the real attitude you want to signal to a male is...

"we are busy ladies. F*ck being coy – go out and get laid"


.....

As I said, this advice isn't about women just getting laid in a discrete manner.

A woman who behaves like this isn't going to cause any ambiguity about her sexual history from an "operational point of view"

Likewise, while not know the exact notch count, where I never "truly know how many dicks she's ridden", it will signal she's ridden enough.

You and others here keep asserting that there is some flux between chastity and slutdom, where if fill out a multiple choice checklist and come up with enough yes', I can then finally dismiss her as a slut.

That's not the case here, in this instance she's taken the multiple choice off me and filled yes to every question herself, then is proud ofherself as she screams "I got 100% everybody!!!"