[dog24]

Whats the consensus on this? I always isolate then escalate, im talking about a nightclub cold approach scenario. I thought its best to try and get a kiss right away so that she would feel more confortable doing other things later. But since i havent had a new notch in a long time maybe this is hurting my game .
The attraction is already there when i go for the kiss obviously.

Reading that post on CH got me thinking about preselection and stuff, and to be honest i rarely see my player friends kissing a girl more than once throught out the night.

[RCron]

A lot of my game was from online (OKC, POF) and I used to always go for the kiss as soon as I could to avoid being friend zoned and to sexualize the situation. However, my results were pretty dismal like yours. I then started following Tuth's first date bang recipe which specifically says to NOT kiss until you're back at your place and the results were nothing short of magical.

[Matt3B]

I don't have an issue with PDA if it's done the right way. CH called it a beta move but I disagree depending on who it's with and how it's done.

I was in a bar with bojangles and these two Italians back in August and me and one of the girls were kissing a lot after a few hours of sexual tension between us. The girl was a 9 and no joke, every guy and girl in the bar was watching us. I was the envy of every guy and walking around Camden with her on my arm made me feel fucking boss. Everyone was DHVing me.

That was my red pill realisation night and I was still pretty beta back then and I wasn't doing everything right, but it didn't harm anything I had with this girl. Fast forward to now and I'm completely different. I have no problem with kissing girls in public as long as they're the ones that are doing the leaning in and coming for you.

Your body language is important. If you're leaning back in the chair in your own space and she's coming into it to kiss you whilst you literally hold your frame, then it's acceptable to me. It shows you're unmoved and you have a girl chasing you - social value.

Here's a snap I took of some loser in a restaurant last week sitting opposite me. I'd say the guy was well dressed and above average looking, but I will do better in life and with women than him. The girl he was with even shot me a few uncomfortable looks while he was sitting next to her macking on her.

   

Everything seems to be these days "is this alpha or beta?". Don't worry. As long as you look boss and are doing things right to get your social value rising, it doesn't matter.

Edit- fuck, dunno why it's gone landscape but you get the idea.

[dog24]

Yeah ive read tuths first date recipe but i cant apply much of that stuff, specially the most important part which is taking her to your home. I live with my parents.
Here is what ive been doing for the last 10 or so approaches, its starting to feel like a videogame really, the same shit the same responses all the time.

I approach a group or 2 girls, ask the hottest one to dance, dance with her for like 10 minutes, pretty much ignoring the rest of the girls. Ill throw the usual is she always like this? sometimes, but i havent been cockblocked much to be honest. I ask a couple of questions while dancing and i always find some way of disqualifying her, over anything she says ill be like oh really! i dont like that on a girl you can go now, and i kind of send her on her way while doing this gesture with my hand. Always makes them giggle and come back to me.
I also have very good comebacks and have gotten really good at this banter thing so they are always laughing with me.
Then i say wanna go sit down for a bit. I isolate, take her to a couple of couches by the dancefloor and keep talking there.
From there i will keep talking and eventually go for the makeout.
Then ill start asking stuff like where do you live maybe i can take you home (obviously i wanna fuck them first), and thats when it all starts going to shit.
The girls know that from that point on all i want is to take them to a love hotel and them.
Most of them have said im not like that, i dont do that, you have to get to know me first blablabla. The other ones usually just say no i have to take a ride with my friends or some shit. So i always end up with a number or a facebook add which in the end leads to nothing.

Venue change isnt really much of an option at that point, so im pretty much stuck at this part of game. Maybe i should stop going for the kiss then?
Also when a girl says to me i have a ride with my friends i dont follow up on that i start drinking till shitfaced drunk or ill just go home, i mean i dont wait till the end of the night hoping maybe she will eventually change her mind ¿Is that wrong? maybe i should keep plowing through?

[Matt3B]

Is that literally what you're saying? "Maybe I can take you home"?

It sounds like you need to up the escalation to get her pussy tingling and getting her to want you more before you try get her back. There's a few things you can try like pulling away from the kiss which will make her want more.

If you're inviting her back to yours like that, it won't work. It's far too weak and it sounds like you do well to show you're fun and a leader up until that point. You need to tell her what you're doing but only when you know the time is right. Have her practically gyrating on your cock on the couch or wait for her to be touching it with her hand before even bringing it up. A kiss is a kiss. It means nothing.

Even a "I think we should go somewhere more private" would do wonders as it has for me because it's testing the water before you go gung-ho on the invite. See where her head's at, if she agrees, then you know it's on. If she doesn't, you know you need to build more comfort.

"You have to get to know me first"
"Okay, that's fair. I can respect that. What's your favourite colour? What's your favourite animal and what's your favourite food?"

[RCron]

I can relate, it sucks living with the folks. I'm so glad those days are far behind me. I think the main issue you have here which is addressed in Tuth's recipe is that since you've already made out at the venue the lizard knows what you're looking for next when you suggest going back to her place (or yours, or a hotel, etc.). The magic of not kissing there in the club is that it gives her (I'm paraphrasing Tuth here) plausible deniability that the "worst" thing that will happen is that you'll makeout once you're somewhere more private. On the other hand, if you've already used your makeout card, the only thing left is the bang which her ASD will surely shoot down.

Some of the more senior players here who are much better at club game than me have yet to weigh in but in my opinion I would focus on building attraction and comfort through banter and kino and save the makeout for when you've already isolated her to a place where the bang could easily occur.

[dog24]

(01-18-2013 02:59 PM)MattC Wrote:  

You need to tell her what you're doing but only when you know the time is right. Have her practically gyrating on your cock on the couch or wait for her to be touching it with her hand before even bringing it up. A kiss is a kiss. It means nothing.

If she doesn't, you know you need to build more comfort.

"You have to get to know me first"
"Okay, that's fair. I can respect that. What's your favourite colour? What's your favourite animal and what's your favourite food?"

So you think i should escalate more physhically? I would get kick out of the club if i do more than kissing.
Comfort is there trust me, last girl i talked to, i spent like 2 hours just talking to her and getting to know her on the couch.
I usually spent all my night on a target if its going well.
There comes a time when there is literally nothing more to do but go outside the club, cause all the other people are starting to go home, so going back to asking personal questions would be a waste of time in my opinion.

Im starting to think this type of approach is flawed from the start, once i get to that point is like pulling my dick out and saying time to fuck, i cant really use that plausible deniability as tuth called it, or any time constrait.
She would have to be really DTF to accept my offer.

[MikeinMKE]

Having a dog is the tits - if a date goes well (and long) I have to "let the monster out" and guess what? My place is only 2/3 blocks away... Lets go grab a drink there next and you can meet the little fella...

Works 85% of time getting them to my place... Once inside im seeing SNL 75% of time from pickups and 50% of time from Match dates.