[wolf]

Before I used to fight flaking, even call people out on it, which even made our communication worse(nobody wants to be confronted).

Now we come to the next level of not showing any emotion and have all kinds of responses to flaking.

It seems to me like flaking is now a social norm now. Why not act like it's a regular thing instead of trying to find ways to deal with it. It's not only the women that do it, guys do too. I have several American friends that flake on me. We're good friends but they flake.

Before I used to get mad that they flaked on me and didn't let them know about it, but I got a little bitter and I thought that it was me. What's going on in the flake's mind is even though they agreed to meet/or said they will call back they don't want to call back for a confrontation or they don't want to call back get a guilt trip by the other person. If it's a woman she probably changed her mind about you and doesn't want to tell you over the phone that she is not interested. It's much better than calling and saying, "I changed my mind, I don't like you".

What I'm probably going to do now is just ignore the fact that they flaked and just call them a couple of days later as if nothing happened and have a regular conversation. Maybe it's best to call more than a couple of days later because they might not pick up because they think you'll confront them about flaking.

For a woman I think it would be better not to mention a specific place/time until the day of and if she doesn't answer her text/or phone then call like 2 weeks later and see if she picks up. A lot can happen in 2 weeks where she can change her mind and be glad that you're calling her.

[OGNorCal707]

I like your ideas, but it seems that you are saying if a girl flakes on you, she's basically not interested, then I wonder if it's even worth trying to hit her up again in a few days/weeks? ( I guess this depends on how interested in her you are) Also, I can see how the 2 week thing could work out, bc/ like you said who knows what could happen in that 2 week frame (her reg hook up ditches her, she get's real horny, etc.), but I would say that this is a good strategy only if you made a great first impression/connection, or you've already been talking for a while, because the average women you meet out at the bars that gives you her number, probably has already forgotten you after 2 weeks otherwise.

[wolf]

(04-24-2010 10:04 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  

I like your ideas, but it seems that you are saying if a girl flakes on you, she's basically not interested, then I wonder if it's even worth trying to hit her up again in a few days/weeks? ( I guess this depends on how interested in her you are) Also, I can see how the 2 week thing could work out, bc/ like you said who knows what could happen in that 2 week frame (her reg hook up ditches her, she get's real horny, etc.), but I would say that this is a good strategy only if you made a great first impression/connection, or you've already been talking for a while, because the average women you meet out at the bars that gives you her number, probably has already forgotten you after 2 weeks otherwise.

What I'm saying is the interest level is irrelevant. I think flakiness is due to more selection(of guys), and more shit to do.

-There are so many guys here(SoCal) that she literraly has a so much choice, than she knows what to do with. I've read that with more choice people make worse decisions(Roissy or Roosh). She could be talking to 10 other guys and you probably didn't make the cut for a hangout with her.

-Also there is so much shit to do that a girl might go do something instead of going on a date. I've been flaked on because the girl went to a dodgers game. You're a phone call away, dodgers game is at 7pm, she knows you'll text her tommorow because you're interested.

Flakiness is brought on by too much choice.
That's why when you go to small towns/areas it's easier to get a date and less chance she'll flake. Bunch of guys she already knows/banged already and absolutely nothing to do but bowling or go to some dive bar. I think these are major reasons.

What's one phone call in two weeks? If she doesn't pick up you won't see her again, if she picks up you got a chance at a bang. Aren't we taught to make a great first impression/connection when we first talk to them anyway? Yea.

I don't go to bars in the first place, so I have no choice but to make a good impression with her, plus it gives me more time to talk to her.

[Willy Wonka]

Yeah, I've been working on shit like this too. The flaking is getting annoying, but showing a girl that you are frustrated with/at her is not going to get you into her pants. However, patience and persistence may

[wolf]

(04-25-2010 07:41 PM)Willy Wonka Wrote:  

Yeah, I've been working on shit like this too. The flaking is getting annoying, but showing a girl that you are frustrated with/at her is not going to get you into her pants. However, patience and persistence may

I noticed among hipster chicks(into hipster guys) their flakiness is the strongest. They will flake and it's not uncommon for the guy to sleep with them 4 months or even 6 months later. The guy or even the chick will initiate some contact usually to invite to a party or some backyard jam of some newly formed band. Clothes with lots of holes mandatory. Shoes held with duct tape acceptable.

[Nonpareil]

Very good post, sad but true flaking is a necessary part of life. Even if I try not to and I’m sure most guys do, I can’t lie; on Thursday or Friday when I need to solidify some weekend plans, I’ll call a bunch of people to see what’s up, but in all likelihood I only hang with one or a few of them, just happens.

Like many of you, I couldn’t even count how many times I’ve been flaked. I’m sure every girl I’ve banged has at one point flaked, as well as countless others that I never got. Roosh did a post like last week, you just have to accept it, like accepting that water is wet.

Why do I think girls flake? Options + No accountability. How can you get around that? There isn’t much you can do about a girl’s options, and growing up girls aren’t told (like we are) ‘All a man has is his word’ and variations thereof. The only way to make her accountable is to make it like her not hanging with you is a mistake.

Frustrating as it is, I also don’t think chicks flake to be bitches. They do it to make you chase them and they honestly do not have their shit together with their priorities. Seriously, we’ve all gotten some lame flake rationalizations, I know it. I’ve had a girl that I later ended up dating for almost a year flake because she was watching her mom‘s house and didn‘t want to leave it empty…I could have been like ‘then I‘ll bring over some wine and we‘ll watch a movie, doesn‘t she have a hot tub?‘ but I wasn‘t.

Your standard flake MO should be to brush it off, put it out of your head and make other plans, you can call her back in a few weeks, you never know where she‘s at. I don’t totally buy that she’s not interested if she flakes on you. As I said, their priorities are wack; just because you aren’t currently someone’s top priority doesn’t mean they aren’t interested. That being said, it’s still not a good thing.

You know what grinds my gears though? When one of my buddies flakes on me. Sometimes it has to happen and I get that, but I don’t call this guy anymore because the last few times we were supposed to hang, he was all down and then vanished the day of, no text or call or anything*. Then he rationalizes it all away with your typical ‘Oh, this chick stopped by’ or ‘I’ve been super busy lately’ story, when I know it’s BS. I’m almost indifferent to girls flaking because you have to anticipate it, but a man should never flake.

* - While frustrating, a girl calling or texting you to flake is about the closest thing to an ideal flake situation. At least she’s contacting you about it.

[wolf]

(04-25-2010 11:21 PM)Nonpareil Wrote:  

Very good post, sad but true flaking is a necessary part of life. Even if I try not to and I’m sure most guys do, I can’t lie; on Thursday or Friday when I need to solidify some weekend plans, I’ll call a bunch of people to see what’s up, but in all likelihood I only hang with one or a few of them, just happens.

Like many of you, I couldn’t even count how many times I’ve been flaked. I’m sure every girl I’ve banged has at one point flaked, as well as countless others that I never got. Roosh did a post like last week, you just have to accept it, like accepting that water is wet.

Why do I think girls flake? Options + No accountability. How can you get around that? There isn’t much you can do about a girl’s options, and growing up girls aren’t told (like we are) ‘All a man has is his word’ and variations thereof. The only way to make her accountable is to make it like her not hanging with you is a mistake.

Frustrating as it is, I also don’t think chicks flake to be bitches. They do it to make you chase them and they honestly do not have their shit together with their priorities. Seriously, we’ve all gotten some lame flake rationalizations, I know it. I’ve had a girl that I later ended up dating for almost a year flake because she was watching her mom‘s house and didn‘t want to leave it empty…I could have been like ‘then I‘ll bring over some wine and we‘ll watch a movie, doesn‘t she have a hot tub?‘ but I wasn‘t.

Your standard flake MO should be to brush it off, put it out of your head and make other plans, you can call her back in a few weeks, you never know where she‘s at. I don’t totally buy that she’s not interested if she flakes on you. As I said, their priorities are wack; just because you aren’t currently someone’s top priority doesn’t mean they aren’t interested. That being said, it’s still not a good thing.

You know what grinds my gears though? When one of my buddies flakes on me. Sometimes it has to happen and I get that, but I don’t call this guy anymore because the last few times we were supposed to hang, he was all down and then vanished the day of, no text or call or anything*. Then he rationalizes it all away with your typical ‘Oh, this chick stopped by’ or ‘I’ve been super busy lately’ story, when I know it’s BS. I’m almost indifferent to girls flaking because you have to anticipate it, but a man should never flake.

* - While frustrating, a girl calling or texting you to flake is about the closest thing to an ideal flake situation. At least she’s contacting you about it.

Like my friend says, "the reason guys flake is because of pussy". One guy went as far as making personal attacks on because I didn't want to sit in a bar all night. Supposedly a cougar gave him a look and said something to him that he doesn't remember. I dropped him off at home after he bitched me out( I didn't say anything back, personal attacks are for pussies/losers in general), I got plenty more friends.

[Willy Wonka]

I do flake on my boys occasionally, honestly... but it's usually for pussy, or at least for the hope of pussy.

Girls flaking is ridiculous, but yeah, they all do it. I don't know if I've ever dated/fucked a chick who hasn't flaked on me at some point. Maybe, but I can't recall.....

It really doesn't mean they're not interested, it just means they're chicks and they suck at life and how to balance it and schedule it.

[Giovonny]

Before all this PUA stuff started confusing guys...

If a girl didn't return your phone call, we would say ..."i guess she just wasn't that into me". Or..."she must have a boyfriend".

If a strong connection was made and she still didn't call back, we would say..."shes playing hard to get"

If you knew she liked you but she still made you work for it like a dog chasing a treat...

We called that........."THE GAME"!

How can i get the treat without running around like a dum dog???

Trying to analyze women is impossible. They are illogical, irrational, counter-intuitive, and a little crazy.

Even they don't know why they do the shit they do. Ask them.

What does it matter if shes flakey or not? Flakey chicks like to fuck too. Your job is to turn her on. If you can do that I bet she'll call you back.

Which girls do you call back? THE ONES YOU LIKE! And which girls do you flake on? THE ONES YOU DON'T LIKE! Its that simple. If she's not returning your call, she doesn't like you enough. Get over it or step your game up.