I want to sic the RVF hivemind on the issue of boring girls. This is more a certain type of girl than a girl who is boring. And there's plenty of girls who are boring without being this type. I think this is a large percentage of girls, but it may not be a large percentage of girls who you usually interacting with in pick-up.
Now, I've been out of the game for a while (fuck-buddy for reliable sex, too busy with my career to go out much), but I imagine my background is similar to a lot of you guys. I was nerdy growing up. In college, I would usually become interested in really smart, interesting, spunky girls who a lot of guys would chase. I would usually get friend-zoned without really even knowing it. Then I discovered game, and developed good nightgame in a college town. I did well with pretty college girls who were interesting and smart, but not as interesting or smart as the girls who put me in the friend-zone. Still, they made it easy for me to game them by giving IOI's and rolling with my game.
I'm in a new town and not back in the game, but I'm trying to build up my social circle. I've noticed that most girls are not like either type of girls that I mentioned above. I'm also older now. There's nothing really wrong with these girls, but they certainly don't make it easy for guys to approach them. Here are some characteristics of them:
1. They don't interact with many men in their day-to-day lives. They're mostly around women. They either work at paper-pushing jobs or in the caring professions.
2. They're often close to their family. Too close, even. It's as if there's no room for a guy in their lives.
3. They have a tight circle of girl friends and none of them really know how to date. And they don't really know how to be into a guy without their friends' approval. So, they don't individually decide that they like a guy, but rather their entire friend group decides that they like that guy and all of them go after him at once. The times that this has happened to me has been more weird than flattering.
4. Their circle of friends is insular and often hasn't changed in years. They may even hate half of their friends. But this gives them a really skewed view of their social skills. They're not good at making new friends but they think they're socially adept because they have a full social calendar with the same people.
5. When they do get interested in a guy, they sometimes approach him from a "dreamer" point-of-view. It's not like they think "this guy might be interesting, I should get to know him better and see how things work out" but rather they come up with an entire relationship in their head and when the guy doesn't fit the ideal, they move on immediately. Often these girls will make a huge investment early on but once their dream is shattered, they have no problem forgetting about him.
6. They're often attractive (7-8 range), but they're certainly not hot. In fact, they don't give off a sexual vibe. On facebook, these girls might post a picture of themselves where they look pretty good and there will be nothing but comments from their girl friends about how beautiful they are. A lot of girls who are better with guys will at least have some beta orbiter commenting.
7. They don't even have beta orbiters. Even the betas move on and realize this girl isn't a good prospect. They can't even string a guy along.
8. They're probably not riding the cock carousel. In fact, they even have trouble recognizing game. They don't send out IOI's. If they go out to bars, they don't make themselves approachable there.
9. They don't approach things from the point of view of mastery. This is very different from guys and makes it hard to relate to these girls even on the basis of mutual interests. Let me try to explain. Take a guy who wants to get good at running. He'll find a running group and look up the times for each of the pace groups. Then he'll go out, run by himself to make sure his time is good enough for a particular pace group. Then he goes to the running group. Soon he'll get a heart rate monitor and get hints from guys who know how to run. These girls on the other hand will decide that it'd be fun to do a 5k, go out running with their friends where the important thing is that everyone feels included. After a year, they've done a bunch of 5k's and have an eleven-minute mile. So when a girl says she's into running, it's very different from when a guy says that. In fact, the girl may find the guy's interest in running obsessive and weird. Moreover, a lot of these girls simply do not understand what it means to be good at something. They don't understand that a perfectly decent runner, say who has a 7:30 pace is not going to win any races, but his time represents not just some inborn ability but real effort, discipline, and knowledge. Sometimes I don't think that they see the difference as anything other than one of time and that the faster time isn't even necessarily better. Achievement only matters to them when it's been translated into status.
10. They're not desperate but sometimes they marry very quickly. They turn 25, move to a new town, are separated from the family and friends, and then they start seriously dating the first acceptable guy.
I suspect a lot of the girls with generic online dating profiles are like this. They don't realize that they need to give guys something to work with. And they haven't developed their interests in a way that makes them interesting and appreciative of the interests of others. So quality guys probably don't pay them much attention even online. So maybe they're telling the truth when they say that they can't find a good man?
Anyway, I don't have much experience with girls like this. And I don't think most guys have these girls in mind when they talk about pick-up. There is this comment of Badger's though:
http://badgerhut.wordpress.com/2012/06/0...mment-6430
I'm not sure that I'd be into girls like this. In fact, they might bore me. On the other hand, they might be great in a relationship. And there are certainly a lot of them, and learning to game them would be a great way of working up an abundance mentality.
My working assumption is that because of issues of proximity and responsiveness to game, it might be nearly impossible to game them. Instead, you can try to get their more interesting, responsive friends interested in you, and then maybe the entire clique of girls becomes interested.
Now, I've been out of the game for a while (fuck-buddy for reliable sex, too busy with my career to go out much), but I imagine my background is similar to a lot of you guys. I was nerdy growing up. In college, I would usually become interested in really smart, interesting, spunky girls who a lot of guys would chase. I would usually get friend-zoned without really even knowing it. Then I discovered game, and developed good nightgame in a college town. I did well with pretty college girls who were interesting and smart, but not as interesting or smart as the girls who put me in the friend-zone. Still, they made it easy for me to game them by giving IOI's and rolling with my game.
I'm in a new town and not back in the game, but I'm trying to build up my social circle. I've noticed that most girls are not like either type of girls that I mentioned above. I'm also older now. There's nothing really wrong with these girls, but they certainly don't make it easy for guys to approach them. Here are some characteristics of them:
1. They don't interact with many men in their day-to-day lives. They're mostly around women. They either work at paper-pushing jobs or in the caring professions.
2. They're often close to their family. Too close, even. It's as if there's no room for a guy in their lives.
3. They have a tight circle of girl friends and none of them really know how to date. And they don't really know how to be into a guy without their friends' approval. So, they don't individually decide that they like a guy, but rather their entire friend group decides that they like that guy and all of them go after him at once. The times that this has happened to me has been more weird than flattering.
4. Their circle of friends is insular and often hasn't changed in years. They may even hate half of their friends. But this gives them a really skewed view of their social skills. They're not good at making new friends but they think they're socially adept because they have a full social calendar with the same people.
5. When they do get interested in a guy, they sometimes approach him from a "dreamer" point-of-view. It's not like they think "this guy might be interesting, I should get to know him better and see how things work out" but rather they come up with an entire relationship in their head and when the guy doesn't fit the ideal, they move on immediately. Often these girls will make a huge investment early on but once their dream is shattered, they have no problem forgetting about him.
6. They're often attractive (7-8 range), but they're certainly not hot. In fact, they don't give off a sexual vibe. On facebook, these girls might post a picture of themselves where they look pretty good and there will be nothing but comments from their girl friends about how beautiful they are. A lot of girls who are better with guys will at least have some beta orbiter commenting.
7. They don't even have beta orbiters. Even the betas move on and realize this girl isn't a good prospect. They can't even string a guy along.
8. They're probably not riding the cock carousel. In fact, they even have trouble recognizing game. They don't send out IOI's. If they go out to bars, they don't make themselves approachable there.
9. They don't approach things from the point of view of mastery. This is very different from guys and makes it hard to relate to these girls even on the basis of mutual interests. Let me try to explain. Take a guy who wants to get good at running. He'll find a running group and look up the times for each of the pace groups. Then he'll go out, run by himself to make sure his time is good enough for a particular pace group. Then he goes to the running group. Soon he'll get a heart rate monitor and get hints from guys who know how to run. These girls on the other hand will decide that it'd be fun to do a 5k, go out running with their friends where the important thing is that everyone feels included. After a year, they've done a bunch of 5k's and have an eleven-minute mile. So when a girl says she's into running, it's very different from when a guy says that. In fact, the girl may find the guy's interest in running obsessive and weird. Moreover, a lot of these girls simply do not understand what it means to be good at something. They don't understand that a perfectly decent runner, say who has a 7:30 pace is not going to win any races, but his time represents not just some inborn ability but real effort, discipline, and knowledge. Sometimes I don't think that they see the difference as anything other than one of time and that the faster time isn't even necessarily better. Achievement only matters to them when it's been translated into status.
10. They're not desperate but sometimes they marry very quickly. They turn 25, move to a new town, are separated from the family and friends, and then they start seriously dating the first acceptable guy.
I suspect a lot of the girls with generic online dating profiles are like this. They don't realize that they need to give guys something to work with. And they haven't developed their interests in a way that makes them interesting and appreciative of the interests of others. So quality guys probably don't pay them much attention even online. So maybe they're telling the truth when they say that they can't find a good man?
Anyway, I don't have much experience with girls like this. And I don't think most guys have these girls in mind when they talk about pick-up. There is this comment of Badger's though:
http://badgerhut.wordpress.com/2012/06/0...mment-6430
I'm not sure that I'd be into girls like this. In fact, they might bore me. On the other hand, they might be great in a relationship. And there are certainly a lot of them, and learning to game them would be a great way of working up an abundance mentality.
My working assumption is that because of issues of proximity and responsiveness to game, it might be nearly impossible to game them. Instead, you can try to get their more interesting, responsive friends interested in you, and then maybe the entire clique of girls becomes interested.