[speakeasy]

If I'm in a social situation and looking for a girl to chat up, I tend to look for one that puts out an "open" vibe and avoid those with the "closed" vibe. But then I wonder how much that limits my options. By open vibe, I guess that means things like:

1) Does she make eye contact?
2) Does she perhaps seem under-stimulated or maybe even bored, like she wants some interaction?
3) Have you seen her smiling or laughing in the last few minutes?
4) Is her body language inviting?
5) Does she put off that "don't bother me" vibe the second you look in her direction?

Thing is, the most attractive girls almost always have a closed vibe about them. Some would also refer to that as the bitch shield. I tend to stay away from any girl that puts that out. The next level though for me would be learning how to convert closed girls to open girls.

[docsedated]

You can convert many of the closed girls to open by simply talking to them, In my limited experience many beautiful girls do not take the Initiative or "look closed" and that can be secondary to multitude of reasons.

They are shy/not social/ conservative for example

I just me a girl HB7 Blond Awsome figure dressed conservatively, looked like she was closed and minding her own business, I simple asked for an Opinion and then there was no stopping her......At first date she told me it's hard for her to make Friends because she can not Intiate conversations but if some one nicely starts a conversation she feels good about carrying the conversation.

Another Nerdy looking Viatnamese Girl but with silky smooth skin and awsome body that I opened with an Opinion Opener told me later she lasks social skills.....

HB 9 at the gate prior to boarding the plane , I didn't wanted to even approach as I didn't think I stand a chnace , She was behind me when our zone was announced and finally mustered the courage to ask If she knows how's the weather in NY this eve ....... and she was On

It's right a lot of 9 and 10's have a Bitch Shield On and what if 10-20 % of them can be changed to Open by simply starting the conversation, For the rest of the 80% I also need guidance , That's why we are all here to Imrove Our Game.

Happy Huntin Y'll

[Lumiere]

True. Although girls are very socially aware in terms of reading emotions they are actually pretty awful at starting conversations with the opposite sex.

A real eye opener to me was when I was living in the Dom.Rep.

On the north coast there is a lot of p4p in the bars. There is one town I was in called Sosua where all the bars have lots of girls looking for a customer for the night. As a social experiment I tried just sitting at the bars and let girls "hit on me" for the night.

In other words, I adopted the passive female role and observed how they would approach.

Their approach consisted of them coming up to me, asking my name, asking me where I was from and, unless I gave them a positive response and started chatting to them they did not know what to say and gave up. Of course the moment one left, another one would move in and the scene would repeat.

Conclusion. When it comes to opening, girls are chodes.

Dont confuse their chodiness with being closed.

[hydrogonian]

Many girls who seem to have bitch shields actually don't, as docsedated summed up. I think our perception of the non-existent bitch shield has to do with:

1. The fact that girls aren't very open and not actively inviting you to talk.

2. The mans insecurity and resulting "profile" they subconsciously attach to the girl.

A lot of times labeling the girl as having a bitch shield is unwarranted, and the girl will open up if you talk to her like she's a normal person. The key is talking to her like she's nothing special. If you do put her on a pedestal, she will know it and act accordingly. Even if there was no bitch shield to begin with, you can easily cause her to have one in many instances.

For girls that actually have bitch shields up already, the bitch shield can exist for a number of reasons. If you haven't spoken with her before, then her bitch shield is up because she is profiling you as being just like the guys that have caused her to have the shield up to begin with. You have to show her that you aren't the same as those guys. Or, if you have talked with her and the bitch shield is up, then you are behaving in a way that is like other guys.

Specific situations that will cause a girl to put up, or keep up, a bitch shield:

1. Interacting with her in a way that pretends that you don't want sex from her, or otherwise pretending that you have an agenda other than sexual, when in fact both she and you know that your end goal is sex.
In other words, you want something from her and she knows it. But you are pretending that you don't. This is insincere, unnatractive and sneaky behavior that she is used to defending herself from; as its the strategy of probably 90% of men out there. The bitch shield is her front line of defense from this strategy. Read Mode One by Alan Roger Curie for more insight into this.

2. Treating and talking to her like she is someone special. Women don't want to be the adventure, they want to go on an adventure (Zan? I think). All chodes treat her like she is something special. This is excessively boring to her, and you may as well cut your balls off as far as she is concerned, because you are rendering yourself asexual in her eyes. This doesnt mean that you have to "neg" her or other fairly useless and predictable BS, as she has been getting 'negged' since she's been 12. Just interact with her like she is a normal flawed human being. No special attention in negging her or similar treatment, which is just a reverse way of paying special attention to her. Treat and talk to her just like you would a girl who you weren't attracted to. When you want to let her know that you are attracted, do so that there are no misunderstandings and don't have any outcome dependence (see #1 above). But then continue to treat her normally. You HAVE to realize that No one but the most skilled men do this with very attractive women. By NOT treating her special, you are setting yourself apart as someone special. The bitch shield will come down in kind.

3. She is hellbent on not being open to any guy for any reason. She could be pregnant, deeply in love with an Alpha male who she has her life planned out with, angry at men or in general, grieving, psychotic or any number of things that are out of your control. Even the best players cant take down every bitch shield. Only most bitch shields.