[Thatdude]

Alright so a little backstory:

I met this chick about a month ago, she's shown a decent amount of interest in me (invites me over to her place, restarts texts, things like that). I hooked up with her 2 weekends ago but she wouldn't let me do anything besides kiss, so we literally made out for what seemed like an hour or more. Then this past Saturday we made plans to chill again, I brought some 151, we chilled for a little bit on her sofa, talked, watched like 5 minutes of a movie on netflix, then we started hooking up.

Moved to her bed, kept kissing, I started escalating, got her shirt off, bra, etc. She unbuttoned my shirt, all that shit. So in my head I'm thinking I'm gonna get the bang, right? Wrong, I get hit with the "We're not having sex tonight." Cool, I play it off, keep escalating, we're hooking up more, (her shirt is completely off at this point) I start sucking on her tits (fucking barely b cups) and then work my way down to her pants. Undo her belt, get her pants off, she starts playing with my cock, I start fingering her, all that fun shit. Then I push her heads down towards my cock, and she starts blowing me, I pull her back up towards me and start playing with her pussy, eat her out for a bit, thinking she's ready to go. I ask her again, "should I grab my condom" she says "We aren't having sex, and if thats all you want you can leave." WHAT THE FUCK? She's naked at this point too

Then I was like fuck it, I'm just gonna try to stick my cock in, I figure I'll try to talk to her a little bit first, "just the tip" "we have break next week, won't see each other for a month" Nothing works. I try to slide it in raw, but she pulls my boxers back up and covers my dick. I keep pushing for it but we eventually stop hooking up (I say to myself, fuck this shit I'm just gonna sleep) so I tried to freeze her out. This is after multiple multiple attempts, literally I don't know how much time passed, I just couldn't break the bitch. And then she gets up, throws some clothes on, and puts her head on my chest. Saying some bullshit about "I'm sorry, I feel guilty now, and I'm mad that I feel guilty for not having sex with you, blah blah blah." "I feel like we don't even know each other that well, I don't even know who you are" "I just got out of a bad situation a couple months ago, I want some form of exclusivity from you before we have sex" (she saw me texting other girls) "I don't wanna just fuck around, I know your just trying to chill, you said it yourself" "I want something serious."

Anyway I'm kind of stumped on what I should've done better, what the hell happened here? Why is she holding out her pussy like it's a prize? It seems like hamster overdrive, but I can't believe I had her naked and didn't fuck...I know the game gods are looking down on me with shame, and I'm sure I'll look back on this in a few years and shake my head and laugh. But I'm still a rookie in the game so I'm not beating myself up TOO much over it, I just want to learn from it, how I could've banged her, what I could've done different, so I can make sure it doesn't happen again and I can keep improving.

Also, she texted me yesterday and said "maybe we should just stop talking, I don't want to go through the motions of something just because you want to have sex with me." "I've been in this situation before, like I told you last night" (aka an alpha got her before). I called her later in the day and talked to her for like 35-40 minutes, played shit cool, said "if you don't wanna talk anymore thats cool but you have to tell me straight" and we're hanging out again this Thursday, she made it clear that she wants to hang out again. She restarted texts last night, and said "I want you to come" so I really do think she's still interested. But I just wanna fuck her man. Idk what to do though, should I just try to lead her on thinking that we'll be something serious, thats what I did on the phone yesterday, but how should I handle things on Thursday? Should I even bother hanging out with her? Or learn from this and move on to the next one?

Just looking at how much I've typed I feel like I'm spending too much time and energy on this, but I still think there's hope for a bang. I just want to know how to proceed. And if you guys think I should say fuck it and move on, that's fine with me.

Btw, she's 19, on a half scholarship to a really good ass school around here, says she's only slept with 3 guys (slept with the same guy since her freshman year), has daddy issues like crazy, thinks I've slept with 11 girls since college started (fake it till you make it, right?). But yeah any input at all would be appreciated guys.

Thanks!

[germanico]

If you like this girl and would like to have her around and have some sort of relationship with her, then go ahead, she is just making you wait. (Although it seems that the wait is killing her...)

If you just want her for the bang, then move over to an easier target.

[Alpha Hunter Zero]

I think if you had waited a week or two more you would have gotten the bang. With that being said, what you do depends entirely on what you want from her? Do you want to invest your time, money, and emotions on her with the promise of a bang shortly on the horizon? Or do you want instant satisfaction with the least amount of resistance and no strings attached? Like Germanico said, the wait is already killing her because she WANTS to bang but due to a previous Alpha encounter, she is reluctant to go all the way. If she wasnt DTF she would never have let you take off an article of clothing, much less do her orally.

[Thatdude]

I'll see how things play out on Thursday. She's cool enough that I'd be willing to put in a little more time but I think I'm going to have to make sure I still keep my frame while still making it seem like we can be something more serious. It'll be all about balancing it and calibration, shit should be fun.

I suspect like you guys have mentioned she's reluctant to go all the way, she doesn't want to feel like a whore and just another hook-up, like I'm sure she was to the previous alpha encounter. She wants the promise of something more, she wants me to sell her that dream which I'll be more than happy to do. Basic game 101 shit here I know but I think this is important for fellow newbs. You can read all you want but shit really clicks for you when you experience it first hand. Thanks for help players.

[poutsara]

(12-17-2012 10:07 AM)Thatdude Wrote:  

Moved to her bed, kept kissing, I started escalating, got her shirt off, bra, etc. She unbuttoned my shirt, all that shit. So in my head I'm thinking I'm gonna get the bang, right? Wrong, I get hit with the "We're not having sex tonight." ... Then I push her heads down towards my cock, and she starts blowing me... I ask her again, "should I grab my condom" she says "We aren't having sex, and if thats all you want you can leave." WHAT THE FUCK?

..."I'm sorry, I feel guilty now, and I'm mad that I feel guilty for not having sex with you, blah blah blah." "I feel like we don't even know each other that well, I don't even know who you are" "I just got out of a bad situation a couple months ago, I want some form of exclusivity from you before we have sex"... "I want something serious."

...
Thanks!

I never understand this.

[Matt3B]

You should never tell a girl straight how many girls you've slept with. When they ask you how many, they're looking for the perfect number that says you've had enough to be experienced but not enough to be a player. 11 girls since college started? When did it start?

The best answer is the basic "I'm a virgin, I'm a good boy", "what, this week? Hundreds". If she pushes just simply answer "enough to know what I want".

She thinks (rightly) that you're gonna pump and dump her because you answered her straight and that's why she's withholding.

[Thatdude]

(12-20-2012 04:16 PM)MattC Wrote:  

You should never tell a girl straight how many girls you've slept with. When they ask you how many, they're looking for the perfect number that says you've had enough to be experienced but not enough to be a player. 11 girls since college started? When did it start?

The best answer is the basic "I'm a virgin, I'm a good boy", "what, this week? Hundreds". If she pushes just simply answer "enough to know what I want".

She thinks (rightly) that you're gonna pump and dump her because you answered her straight and that's why she's withholding.

I didn't tell her that. That's what she guessed, she asked me and I said guess, haha. I'll definitely keep that advice in mind though man. But anyway I just fucked her 3 hours ago and now I'm gonna eat and pass out.

[bojangles]

how many girls have i had sex with?

'this week? Dozens, hundreds, thousands, that's not a question a proper woman should ask'