Quote: (12-16-2012 10:44 PM)Sonsowey Wrote:
Real question, in modern-day America, is this actually the case?
I can't see any evidence that it is. A girl can be a notorious whore and still get laid plenty. Fat girls get plenty of action. Uggos get plenty of action.
That's the key right there, though. The girls are getting laid, but
with who?
We must be careful to maintain context here-we're talking about women, not men. They're not looking merely to get any old dick. They're looking to get
the right kind of dick. They don't view the numbers game the way many male players do. This game is much easier for them to play and much less satisfying in general when they win if the quality of those numbers is not up to par.
Remember this old Roissy maxim: "5 minutes of alpha is worth 5 hours of beta"? That applies here. Your typical woman would trade 100 hours of sex with 40-50 so-so men who didn't really know how to turn her on for 2 hours with a single man she found truly worthy. Sexual variety for the sake of sexual variety doesn't hold the same weight with women that it does with men-quality comes before quantity.
This is the reason why PUAs and the entire concept of "game", as practiced today, exists. If women gave fewer fucks about quality and weighed raw quantity the way most men do, most of us would have a much easier time racking up numbers. We would not need the concept of "game" which, at its core, is designed to help males increase their quality to the higher levels women demand in their potential mates and thus ensure more sexual success.
We could all just "be ourselves".
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The fact of the matter is, riding the cock carousel really doesn't hurt a woman's chances with less appealing men who have fewer options, and after it all she probably can settle for a lower quality husband to divorce.
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You may wish that she faced some sort of retribution for her actions.
She does if she is looking for a high quality male (read: one who actually might know how to turn her on reliably and is, at the same time, going somewhere-the cream of the crop).
These men have options, and they don't tend to favor women with sordid pasts.
To only women who come close to a "consequence free" exit from such pasts are those who are at once physically elite and extremely affluent- I call this the Kim Kardashian lifestyle model.
Most American women want to fit that model and would behave similarly if given Kim's resources (this is why Kim is so popular). The reality, however, is that only a miniscule percentage of women actually get to fit this bill, and even they'll have to deal with the consequences following their physical decline (which is just beginning for Kim).
For the other 99.9% of the female populace, there will be a tradeoff of some sort depending on how sordid that past is.
A woman can try to engineer a consequence-free escape from a sordid past via secrecy (just keeping it all under wraps). This is not easy-modern social media makes traces of history harder to erase. More importantly,
other women make things incredibly difficult. Why?
Because women are all quite well aware of everything I've said above about consequences and the past. This is why they so consistently slut-shame one another during disputes (sometimes literally bullying other girls to death). They know that a "past" has consequences, and work to attach those consequences to their enemies as best they can.
They understand that slut-shaming for a sordid past is arguably the most powerful weapon they've got in their arsenal. If they use it well enough, they can block a female peer's access to the higher quality men that all of them are competing for, reducing competition for him (giving themselves a better shot) and severely damaging their target's quality of life by limiting her romantic prospects.
They can also get other girls who are less directly involved with the target (and who perceive slutty women as a threat to their own ability to secure men they want) to turn against the target and shame her too.
The resulting social isolation is devastating for women targeted in this manner, who (like all females) depend much more heavily on interdependent group cohesion in their social interactions than guys do. They don't want to be outsiders, and there is tremendous pressure among them not to be.
Even a woman who skillfully hides a sordid past might fail to blunt the effort of her envious "friends", who will bring those consequences right back into the fold with a quick discreet conversation behind her back or a well placed rumor. Cattiness knows few bounds.
Quote: (12-16-2012 11:44 PM)Wool Suit Wrote:
Sad but true.
Luckily, the men around here know better. We fight the good fight. But you're right, there will always be willing betas to date these fugs/fatties.
Yes, but do they desire those willing betas? Or are they, like most women, largely bored, sexually frustrated and turned off by the willingness of said betas?
If it is the latter (and we here know very well that it is), then there is no victory there. The fate of being forever saddled with a mass of betas (who they don't really
like) as an option is, in and of itself, a severe consequence for such women.