[Giovonny]

SF is a great city. But, quality and quantity of girls is not one of our strong suits.

That being said, if you have game, you will have no problem pulling here.

However, most major metropolitan American cites will have better quality and quantity. (NYC, LA, San Diego, Austin, Phoenix, Chicago, Miami, etc)

But, San Francisco is a unique experience that you can't find anywhere else.

(12-11-2012 07:03 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

it's probably the freest city in the United States and the quality of life has to be no. 1

What we have is a way of life that is rare.

If you come here, come for the freedom, food, scenery, and unique culture. Not the girls!


Bottom line is this..

If you have game = you can pull here.

If you don't have game = good luck wherever you go.


Some guys are making it sound worse then it really is..

(12-09-2012 12:39 PM)OkStudies Wrote:  

- High concentration of beta's (mostly in the software industry) who tend to have (rather annoying) anti-social traits and pedestalize women.

This is a good thing. Less competition!

(12-09-2012 12:39 PM)OkStudies Wrote:  

- Flaky, confused women who go from one sexual whim to the next (can't decide if they are lesbian, bi, "pansexual", whatever)

Also a good thing. Our women are sexually liberated (slutty)

(12-09-2012 04:57 PM)OkStudies Wrote:  

Easy to approach? Try daygaming in SF. its brutal dude.

I disagree. I day game with guys from this forum alot in SF. We have all pulled from day game. Honestly, I think it's rather easy to chat with girls during the day. SF girls are friendly!

(12-11-2012 01:23 AM)OkStudies Wrote:  

Daygaming is a brutal gauntlet. The girls here are just downright rude. Prepare for auto-rejection, evil eye stares, " I have a boyfriend" bs, feminism etc.

2 hours day gaming with me and I will change your perspective on this!

(12-09-2012 12:49 PM)basilransom Wrote:  

I don't have much personal experience with SF

I'm glad you were honest about this. It was obvious from your post.

You are describing the transplants. The people who come to SF from other places. They want to experience SF, they try hard to live the lifestyle that they have seen on tv and heard about in music.

Native San Franciscans are nothing like you've described.

And, of course, the most important thing is this..

(12-09-2012 12:49 PM)basilransom Wrote:  

I've met lots of cool girls from Northern California

Thats really all that matters.

(12-11-2012 12:40 AM)RoScience Wrote:  

I would say LA is better in both quantity and quality, but SF is more convenient for girls.

Agreed. Almost every major city has better quality and quantity then us.But, we have better convenience. We are a small city.

(12-09-2012 11:38 PM)kosko Wrote:  

I have always herd good things about the Black girls in the suburbs of SF.

I've been gaming these girls for over 20 years! Let me know if you have any questions?

The liberal talk is bullshit. We voted against gay marriage.

Gay marriage is currently legal in Connecticut, Iowa, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, New York, Vermont, Washinton and Washington D.C.

You know where its not legal? California!

San Francisco voted against gay marriage. Just so you guys know.

The police state is also bullshit.

You can do whatever the fuck you want here as long as you are not hurting someone else.

You only see cops in bad areas.

Conclusion: Don't come for the girls. Come for the lifestyle. If you have game, you will do just fine.

If you want top shelf quality and endless quantity, go somewhere else.

If you like a laid back lifestyle, good weather, great food, outdoors, the ocean, progressive attitudes, unique culture - come here.

Also, we have great diversity of women and they are open to dating outside their race. Here, you can date white, black, latina, asian, mixed, etc. No one cares. Everybody fucks everybody.

[thegmanifesto]

(12-13-2012 04:50 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

SF is a great city. But, quality and quantity of girls is not one of our strong suits.

However, the very top % of girls in SF is real good quality.

Good families, very rich, and way more well traveled and cultured than their Southern California sisters.

You need access to these girls though. Which is usually going to come in the form of school connections, friends in same social circles, or hanging at high end restaurants and joints (hit or miss).

Quote:

The police state is also bullshit.

Can't disagree with you there.

[Giovonny]

(12-13-2012 04:56 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

However, the very top % of girls in SF is real good quality.

Good families, very rich, and way more well traveled and cultured than their Southern California sisters.

Okay, lets talk about the elite class. We have alot of rich people in the Bay Area. I know some of them. They are really cool people, usually.

They live in Pac Heights, The Marina, Marin, Moraga, Woodside, Palo Alto, Menlo Park, Blawkhawk, Berkeley, Los Altos, San Ramon, etc.

I know these areas well. I know where they go to school. I have dated their daughters.

You are right. They are some of the coolest rich people I have ever met. Very down to earth and easy to approach. Great culture and perspective. For some reason, our rich people stay pretty open minded and aware.

[thegmanifesto]

(12-13-2012 05:10 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(12-13-2012 04:56 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

However, the very top % of girls in SF is real good quality.

Good families, very rich, and way more well traveled and cultured than their Southern California sisters.

Okay, lets talk about the elite class. We have alot of rich people in the Bay Area. I know some of them. They are really cool people, usually.

They live in Pac Heights, The Marina, Marin, Moraga, Woodside, Palo Alto, Menlo Park, Blawkhawk, Berkeley, Los Altos, San Ramon, etc.

I know these areas well. I know where they go to school. I have dated their daughters.

You are right. They are some of the coolest rich people I have ever met. Very down to earth and easy to approach. Great culture and perspective. For some reason, our rich people stay pretty open minded and aware.

Good point. That is what I was trying to get at.

I am sure we know some of the same people Gio, even though I think I am a little older than you.

Don't forget Atherton, Sea Cliff, Presidio, Forrest Hill etc.

It is really endless the amount of dough up there.

To me, it seems there is way more wealth up there than down south, even when talking Newport Beach, La Jolla and hood in LA.

Those girls up there are the kind of girl you would want to marry. If one was so inclined.

[WestCoast]

Ha! Gio ended this thread hard.

The only downside to SF... Where are these latin clubs you speak of!!!! DVY where are you @ auto rep point from me if there is a legit LATIN place. Not central american disaster clubs. Do not care if it is in a shady part of town or a nice one i'm down to go where the prospects are. NYC is 40x easier to fish them out, but that's neither here nor there, my finger is always trigger happy on Florida.

One thing that I have a hard time understanding is the comment of "There are a lot of pussy beta guys in SF". You do realize pouring drinks on girls heads and calling them cunts isn't exactly "alpha" or good game... if you are not getting laid. If you're surrounded by "free spirited" people you're the fool for being a "thug in the club", just because you are "nice" doesn't mean you are a punk bitch. Girls go by how they feel, SF girls lean towards hippie free spirited, so the correct game is to make them "feel an aura or essence" and then just be a snake and get it in.

On the high end stuff, the best god damn thing you need is COCAINE and LOGISTICS. Yes I spelled out the recipie for high end girls who are 7+'s its just the truth. Oh hey i have an 8-ball upstairs. Done sealed and good night. If you know police law well there is a VERY SMALL PENALTY for carrying cocaine relative to crack... why? Rich people have that shit on tap. You don't even have to do it, but if you're looking for quick sex with rich girls all you need to do is find a spot on chestnut and get some Llello.

On the overall quality question, this one is a tough one to handle. On the internet it is damn near impossible to see what quality guys are pulling. Alright great i can walk you down park avenue and take you to Marquee in NYC or Vegas to hit up some 8.5+'s but are you really banging them? If your average pull is really a 6-7 range you're only fooling yourself by believing SF is a shit show when it has 1M+ people. Go hunting for that dime piece when you think SF IS TOO EASY

Finally, to gain you MUST GIVE UP. You're calling SF damn near impossible to find an 8+ or whatever guess what that is an OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU.

If there is only 100 9+'s in a city... and you can PULL a 9... Guess what that means when you go to a city full of them?! The Game Just got EASIER

I am not ragging on the OP, change your mindset. If you can pull hot girls in a city where it's damn near impossible to game in your opinion then that is MASSIVE upside for you. Personally SF is not a disaster IMHO however if I found a city that I thought was HARD I would have a HUGE SMILE ON MY FACE. That means in 1-3 years i'd be a god damn beast because i'd approach every girl within ear shot till my game got to invincible level.

SF is ground zero for feminism, when I read that I read "best training ground possible". Guess our views may differ, hope this helps you. Don't give up, gain long-term from the difficult environment!

[mangadooza]

I can attest to what WestCoast posted. He showed me the right venues after I moved here and my quality/frequency shot up dramatically. If you have a modicum of game you can develop a decent rotation and then just cruise control while focusing on other shit. Definitely a "lifestyle" city.

You should also look into Bridge and Tunnelers.......

There are a ton of cute girls from the surrounding areas who go to Stanford in Palo Alto or whatever, come up to SF, and don't know anyone or the right spots. Very easy to parlay into a weekend fuck buddy and you don't get them nagging you during the week.

Good call on the coke too. I get asked for it at least 2-3x every time I'm in the Marina...should start charging my guy for referrals, hah.

[malc]

SF Girls are the American Apparel type of girl. They're kinkier and weirder. As for day game you really have to do it rooshv 'day bang' style and come under the radar initially. Or don't be skeevy and just start a genuine conversation.

Try to avoid the peninsula. The south bay has some ghetto pockets if your into that. SF/Berkley is where it's at. Avoid the south bay, now that is dating hell compared to SF. The south bay is where engineers go to raise their families in the top-of-the-country high schools of cupertino and palo alto. Marin is probably the finance equivalent of that.

[unknown]

what?
thought san francisco would be easy since there are alot of gay guys.
less competition

[beta_plus]

(12-14-2012 10:48 PM)unknown Wrote:  

what?
thought san francisco would be easy since there are alot of gay guys.
less competition

It's not that bad. It's nothing like Toronto-Occupied-Ontario. Even DC isn't as bad as there. The girls generally aren't very pretty, though.

[OkStudies]

Quote:

2 hours day gaming with me and I will change your perspective on this!

I'm up for it. PM me. You'll see exactly what I'm talking about!

Quote:

The liberal talk is bullshit. We voted against gay marriage.

Gay marriage is currently legal in Connecticut, Iowa, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, New York, Vermont, Washinton and Washington D.C.

You know where its not legal? California!

San Francisco voted against gay marriage. Just so you guys know.

SF county (and pretty much all other Bay area counties) voted for gay marriage dude. I'm pretty sure of that.

Quote:

Ha! Gio ended this thread hard.

Nah. I think my point still stands. Everyone still more or less agrees SF is a lame place to game women.

I've never been to Toronto but I'm 100% sure the ratios and quality is better than SF. Much better.

[Giovonny]

(12-24-2012 08:38 PM)OkStudies Wrote:  

I'm up for it. PM me. You'll see exactly what I'm talking about!

Wait? You want me to PM you so you can show me that day game doesn't work? No thanks, I help guys who want to improve. I don't day game with guys just so they can prove to me that it doesn't work.

If your not getting results from day game, get better at it or do night game.

You are welcome to contact me, if you want to improve.

(12-24-2012 08:38 PM)OkStudies Wrote:  

SF county (and pretty much all other Bay area counties) voted for gay marriage dude. I'm pretty sure of that.

I'm quite sure that in 2008, we voted against gay marriage but, your right, in 2012, I think we voted for it.

(12-24-2012 08:38 PM)OkStudies Wrote:  

Everyone still more or less agrees SF is a lame place to game women.

I can't disagree here. There are way better places then SF for girls.

(12-24-2012 08:38 PM)OkStudies Wrote:  

I've never been to Toronto but I'm 100% sure the ratios and quality is better than SF. Much better.

You have never been to Toronto but yet you are 100% sure of the ratios and quality? I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm just wondering how you can be so sure? Do you have friends there who inform you?

[Hispanic_Reasoning]

Ok, as a person who lives in the Bay Area (I live near Napa), of all places in the Bay, SF is the best place to meet women, period. You come here to the suburbs, and the girls get pretty dam closed, and of course, you need game. And as people said, avoid Silicon Valley, it's a cockfest there (tech companies). I personally like SF because I can meet lots of chicks from other countries who go there as tourists or are living here in the Bay Area (I have met beautiful girls from Turkey, Israel, Spain, etc).

For all the hype for so-cal, so-cal is a wasteland. People in so-cal are douches compared to people from the Bay, that's honest truth. I don't want to live in so-cal, EVER, because of their attitude, which for me, is completely shocking. Only descent place in so-cal is San Diego, LA is a complete shithole that must be avoided at all costs.

And for summarize, yes, there are other places that have better women than SF (like NYC), but still, SF has a unique way of life, that I really like, but I also want to get away.

[lurker]

(12-14-2012 01:17 AM)mangadooza Wrote:  

There are a ton of cute girls from the surrounding areas who go to Stanford...

Back when I was a college kid, we had a saying: "Nine out of ten girls in California are pretty, and the other one goes to Stanford."

[iknowexactly]

(12-13-2012 04:50 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

SF is a great city. But, quality and quantity of girls is not one of our strong suits.

That being said, if you have game, you will have no problem pulling here.

However, most major metropolitan American cites will have better quality and quantity. (NYC, LA, San Diego, Austin, Phoenix, Chicago, Miami, etc)

But, San Francisco is a unique experience that you can't find anywhere else.

I lived SF and East Bay 10 years during my late 30's, magical location, dreamy weather (cool somewhat damp and mysterious) but I felt being ultrahip and young became more and more required and I aged out. YoungTallCool or really talented in some odd way is definitely required. Dull sports guys from lower class schools don't seem to do as well, as someone mentioned about the elite school connections.

It is very important to be the young guy with whom everything is a fun adventure, 34 year olds think they are 22 here.

[iknowexactly]

(04-03-2013 01:42 AM)lurker Wrote:  

(12-14-2012 01:17 AM)mangadooza Wrote:  

There are a ton of cute girls from the surrounding areas who go to Stanford...

Back when I was a college kid, we had a saying: "Nine out of ten girls in California are pretty, and the other one goes to Stanford."

IF you've got the class to hit on Stanford chicks, you're going to do well most anywhere, us non-tall guys who went to state schools.....

[WestCoast]

(04-03-2013 01:57 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

(04-03-2013 01:42 AM)lurker Wrote:  

(12-14-2012 01:17 AM)mangadooza Wrote:  

There are a ton of cute girls from the surrounding areas who go to Stanford...

Back when I was a college kid, we had a saying: "Nine out of ten girls in California are pretty, and the other one goes to Stanford."

IF you've got the class to hit on Stanford chicks, you're going to do well most anywhere, us non-tall guys who went to state schools.....

Limiting belief in bold. You can one night stand a Stanford girl even if she has no idea what you do or where you went to school.

[DVY]

Hahahah, Stanford girls are one of the sluttiest ones I've met. A big group of them hit the EDM circuit in san fran. These girls drop molly every other weekend. Super high-maintenance unfortunately.

If you meet a stanford girl in a social circle, she will be careful. Meet her at a raging club, shell be bouncing off walls, doing shots, and shaking ass.

Stanford girl = young girl living and working in city w/larger than normal disposable income.

I much rather prefer the younger, hotter version which is SF state girls or girls who go to Art school. These girls throw down in terms of unbridled youth.

[WestCoast]

(04-03-2013 10:21 AM)DVY Wrote:  

Hahahah, Stanford girls are one of the sluttiest ones I've met. A big group of them hit the EDM circuit in san fran. These girls drop molly every other weekend. Super high-maintenance unfortunately.

If you meet a stanford girl in a social circle, she will be careful. Meet her at a raging club, shell be bouncing off walls, doing shots, and shaking ass.

Stanford girl = young girl living and working in city w/larger than normal disposable income.

I much rather prefer the younger, hotter version which is SF state girls or girls who go to Art school. These girls throw down in terms of unbridled youth.

Pretty much sums it up. If someone tells you they are harder or are less slutty/prude the guy does not have a lot of experience and likely goes into those situations thinking they are different. He can fix it quickly. What happens is this.

Her; "I go to Stanford!"
Guy (eye brow flash + feels insecure for a few seconds)
Her: (notices and loses all attraction because she knows you're impressed)
Guy: tries to game... but is gaming from a spot of inferiority = lost.


Solution:
Girl: "I go to Stanford!"
Guy: (no hesitation, control your eye flash and stick with a face that displays no emotion positive or negative) "oh isn't the mascot a tree or something how do you mascot with a tree?" (Slight smile/smirk). You can't appear either "impressed" or "dissing the school" both make it seem like you are a loser.

... The game is still going.


Now you know she won't be banging you in front of her friends... Solution...

Guy: "lets take a shot (or lets dance)"
Girl: "cool"

Slip behind a wall/post and go for a make out immediately. If she denies = no drink. If she makes out with you = game on.

Execution mode.

[Giovonny]

(04-03-2013 01:56 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

Dull sports guys from lower class schools don't seem to do as well

Lol!!!

I hate "dull sports guys"!

Also, girls hate "dull"

"Dull" is my enemy.

We don't want "dull sports guys" around here. They just add to the sausage fest and they give the girls too much unwarranted beta attention.

"Dull sports guys from lower class schools" are usually losers with no game.

Thats why they spend their free time watching other guys play sports, and even wear jerseys with others guys names on the back!!

Get the fuck outta here!

(04-03-2013 01:56 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

It is very important to be the young guy with whom everything is a fun adventure, 34 year olds think they are 22 here.

Yes!

We want life to a "fun adventure"!!!

If life is not a "fun adventure", then what the fuck is it???

San Francisco is a unique place.

We live by our own set of rules.

(04-03-2013 09:53 AM)WestCoast Wrote:  

You can one night stand a Stanford girl even if she has no idea what you do or where you went to school.

Stanford has some cuties. Cal has some cuties. San Jose State has some cuties. Santa Clara has some cuties. SF State has some cuties. USF has some cuties. Academy of Art has some cuties. There are also like 10 junior colleges with lots of cuties.

My advice..?

Game all of them. Some will like you, some won't.

Never display an inferiority complex!

Instead, display a SUPERIORITY complex!

You are a man, they are a woman. You are superior to them. Period.

Think it. Believe it. Feel it. Live it!

I went to state school and I will game the Queen of England. I am a man, I am superior to her. If a fight breaks out she will come to me for protection. That fact alone proves that she is inferior to me. All these rich, Stanford girls are inferior, they were born rich, they did not create the wealth, they are not special! Many of them actually feel inferior to us. Rich people are weird and often insecure.

[presidentcarter]

I've only gone sightseeing there so have no idea about girls or nightlife.

RSD Jeffy lives there...I wonder how he feels about it. Surely if it sucked that bad he'd move to LA. Or maybe it's a business reason that he stays there.

[jtbabycarrots]

(12-09-2012 12:39 PM)OkStudies Wrote:  

The only cities I would recommend are Walnut creek, Berkeley or Emeryville for single dudes. Everywhere else including SF fucking sucks for women.

I just moved to the East Bay (oak). I am not a fan of SF but know zero about Emeryville and Berkeley. Any specific suggestions would be appreciated.

My only successful game so far has come from a big box retailer in Emeryville. Basically day game while shopping. I'm kinda thinking this may be the best way to go as I'm no longer drinking (much).

Thoughts?

[Hencredible Casanova]

(01-30-2014 11:24 PM)jtbabycarrots Wrote:  

(12-09-2012 12:39 PM)OkStudies Wrote:  

The only cities I would recommend are Walnut creek, Berkeley or Emeryville for single dudes. Everywhere else including SF fucking sucks for women.

I just moved to the East Bay (oak). I am not a fan of SF but know zero about Emeryville and Berkeley. Any specific suggestions would be appreciated.

My only successful game so far has come from a big box retailer in Emeryville. Basically day game while shopping. I'm kinda thinking this may be the best way to go as I'm no longer drinking (much).

Thoughts?

Stick to day game out there. Emeryville has chicks that have their shit together. There's a bunch of retail stores there and you'll see girls out in the weekend. Nothing really at night though. That's what sucks about the East Bay. It's just kinda dead at night compared to SF.

[rastignac]

(12-09-2012 12:49 PM)Basil Ransom Wrote:  

Relevant: http://whytherearenogirls.blogspot.com/

I don't have much personal experience with SF, but the blog above is pretty brilliant. I've met lots of cool girls from Northern California, but it seems like the cool ones come down to Southern California as refuge from the lameness of SF/the Bay Area. SF has more of that super-white, Northern European mentality of, "we're super politically correct and conformist, but occasionally we go crazy to show how not stiff we are! Because that stiffness was just an act!" Burning Man, Bay to Breakers - periodic releases of stress from being anal the rest of the year. In Southern California, it's more like, we're chill all year round, we don't need some scripted event that gives us license to act really weird. The kind of place where people drink hard to keep themselves from getting out of line - they rely on the alcohol for cojones, and when it isn't there, they're spineless bores. It helps them be a good agreeable cubicle resident.

I agree with you so much (living in the Bay area for almost 15 years) that I have to disagree a bit about these "releases". Burning Man and Bay to Breakers are perfect examples of uptight conformist enforced ritual. Burning Man is the cube farm transposed to the desert in indie clothing. The people of SF are clones even when it comes to this shit. Burning Man best I can tell is an "alternative" highly structured hierarchical society. Nothing anarchic about it all, at least now. I agree SoCal seems better these days than the conformist church camp of liberal techies in SF.

For 15 years I would say that I don't do any of that shit and got ostracized for it. Opting out of an anarchic release should not make you a target of the conformists.

It is impossible to have a conversation about anything in SF without toeing the party line (so called liberalism, feminism, pro-gay). So perfect because nearly all of the recent tech innovation and wealth in SF was created by men.

[rastignac]

(12-09-2012 01:01 PM)DVY Wrote:  

yes, i have long parroted this view, but your missing out. The asian girls are stunningly fly in SF and very much down. There is a huge population of foreigners that live in SF that are a blast! The white girls suck balls tho.

Man, i could detail day by day which clubs/bars to go to. At least its 6 months relevant.

There are a lot of factors of SF that you leave out. First, its a cabbing/walking city. That means no lame duck cockblocker who guards. Second, hoes can come to you easily and they can drink hard with you (no drunk driving). Thirdly, you can walk everywhere to get food and cab it anywhere.

In conclusion, you just need to acclimate to the scene and grow some social circles. Dont be so quick to put it down. Restaurants, bars, happy hours, sexy ladies swishing up and down Market street, marina, richmond, union. Lots of good stuff.

Yes. Good advice if you are stuck in SF. But if you don't like Asian women sexually, pickings are thin. It is so funny, all my tech acquaintances only do Asian women and give me shit for being interested exclusively in Slavs. I have zero attraction for Asian women as women (but I really enjoy their company) and it does not work physically if you are a big guy. Slavic women for some reason seem to be considered the lowest rung of the ethnic totem pole.

European foreign chicks exist in SF. Proved the only worthwhile group for me.

[jtbabycarrots]

(01-31-2014 10:18 AM)rastignac Wrote:  

(12-09-2012 01:01 PM)DVY Wrote:  

yes, i have long parroted this view, but your missing out. The asian girls are stunningly fly in SF and very much down. There is a huge population of foreigners that live in SF that are a blast! The white girls suck balls tho.

Man, i could detail day by day which clubs/bars to go to. At least its 6 months relevant.

There are a lot of factors of SF that you leave out. First, its a cabbing/walking city. That means no lame duck cockblocker who guards. Second, hoes can come to you easily and they can drink hard with you (no drunk driving). Thirdly, you can walk everywhere to get food and cab it anywhere.

In conclusion, you just need to acclimate to the scene and grow some social circles. Dont be so quick to put it down. Restaurants, bars, happy hours, sexy ladies swishing up and down Market street, marina, richmond, union. Lots of good stuff.

Yes. Good advice if you are stuck in SF. But if you don't like Asian women sexually, pickings are thin. It is so funny, all my tech acquaintances only do Asian women and give me shit for being interested exclusively in Slavs. I have zero attraction for Asian women as women (but I really enjoy their company) and it does not work physically if you are a big guy. Slavic women for some reason seem to be considered the lowest rung of the ethnic totem pole.

European foreign chicks exist in SF. Proved the only worthwhile group for me.

I share your opinion on Asian girls. Wonderful people. Not sexually interesting. Give me an Asian girl with T&A and I'll reassess.

I have NEVER heard that slavic women are on the lowest rung of the ethnic totem pole. Most Americans don't even know what slavic means, let alone discriminate against them. Anyway, who cares!? If someone doesn't like a slavic girl pass her on to me.

The only cultural reference in America to 'slavic ethnicity' that I am aware of is related to WWII history - and nazi "purification" efforts. Anyway, let's end this part of the conversation.

I think foreign girls in SF is a good idea. When I lived in SF (I'm now living in the East Bay) the city was divided between locals and tourists. I've never seen a city in my life where the contrast between the two was more distinct. Tourists would be in Union Square, Fisherman's Wharf and along the Embarcadaro. Locals would be in the neighborhoods.

European chicks would meet locals who invited them to 'private parties' - from my limited experience of a few (one) private party. This scene is interesting but - like the tourist scene - is highly transient. It's also full of drugs and douche bags who use drugs (no offense to the drug using douche bags on this forum) - as is the 'popular' kids scene.

If I were to seriously try SF again (it's been a few years since I lived there) I would re-engage my social circle there and mine it.

However! From my personal experience - and out of an extensive social circle that included members of the 'popular' SF crowd - there are very, very few top shelf women.

So then you're back to try-hard day game / bar game. It's a lot of wasted time.

I think the best bang for the buck is; 1) event game (gaming at local events) and 2) retail day game.

In America there is basically nothing to do. Life here is about work.

People do nothing. The one outlet for people is shopping. I noticed myself doing this once and it was frightening!

In America when you go to buy a new shirt or shoes or pants you go to EVERY store that could conceivable carry something that fits you BEFORE you buy. By the time you buy something you know every brand, style and price point. You don't believe me; ask some of the guys on this board what shoes they wear.

In (Western) Europe they have stores where the clothes are picked out for you. (And the people that work at these stores are professionals - not minimum wage slaves.) You go, you pick a few things, you're done. You don't look at prices. You know that you're buying quality and that it will last.

In America it is a process.

So, I think that's the way to go. Find pockets where hot girls would shop and then 'shop'.

My strategy with close quarters day game is to assume attraction and go straight to qualification. Not sure if this is the best but I like it because it sets a frame (my frame) and doesn't waste my f'ing time on bla, bla, bla.