[Apollo2]

I'm starting to think that my wingman is a liability. I've had many 2-sets blow up because my wingman's girl would simply not be interested in talking to him, and she'd end up walking away and taking my girl away with her.

After having this happen several times on numerous night out, I finally confronted him about this. He said he really tries to keep the convo going but the girls are just not interested in talking. Usually this happens about 5-10 minutes into the conversation.

I used to think he had shitty game but I'm starting to wonder if he's just not good looking enough. Girls at clubs can be cold and ruthless, and many will simply refuse to engage you for an extended period if you don't meet their minimum looks threshold.

I feel badly for him because he tries really hard. I've even gone shopping with him to help with his style and encouraged him to hit the gym, which he's now taking seriously. I even told him to memorize some routines to help with his verbal rap and keep girls engaged at least long enough for me to isolate the friend.

Problem is I need him. Girls in 2 sets won't ditch their friend and pawn her off to a random guy unless she has a guy herself . She won't abandon her friend as she's her lifeline for the night.

Most times the girls I chat up are engaged and responsive. I sense they like me. But inevitably the cockblock friend will get in the way. Instead of letting me continue my rap, she'll pull her friend away just to avoid engaging my wingman!

What should I do in this scenario?

[CMan0928]

Are you sure it's just your wingman? I'm not doubting your game or skills, but it is a worthy question. When I go out with a good friend of mine and he's running his spiel on some broad who is with a friend, I'll just make general conversation and won't stop or break eye contact. Even if I'm not interested at all, I'll avoid letting the exchange go cold at all costs. That's when she is most likely to try and intervene between my buddy and her friend. Don't quit on him yet. It sounds like he's putting in the effort and taking your advice. Besides, looks are overrated. They aren't just blowing him off because he's ugly. There's more to the story there. This is something that can be fixed. Don't lose a friend over some whore at a club. But if you feel strongly it's all on him, you gotta do what you gotta do.

[Alpha Hunter Zero]

Try different types of venues and test out the cockblocking waters. This is also a sign that you need to start rolling solo more often. As for your friend dont worry too much about him, you've planted the seed now hopefully it will grow. If he's serious about game he'll come around.

[jerome]

Your lucky hes not cock blocking you.

Trust me, I had many wings, this is not his fault.

You will never find a guy who has good game and is a good friend.

this is not bad situation.

Ignore his bad game and focus on yourself. Your lucky he comes out to help you.

You can approach by yourself. You know.

If a girl likes you, she will do anything to stay with you. Do not blame your wing.

if your wing is not negative, and is not cockblocking...he sounds like a decent person.

YOu will never find a wing that has good game and is a good friend.

Some guys have good game and will try to steal the girl.

So decide what is better a good friend or a good wing.

I rather have a good friend.

[CMan0928]

I hate running game in clubs personally. Some of the hottest girls I've had the pleasure of blowing my load on/over/in were chicks I met outside their work while they were on a cigarette break, at a food court having lunch, or walking through Macy's or whatever. I really have learned to love that cold approach shit. Once those endorphins kick in it's on. I admittedly have to work more on my bar/club game though. Apollo, are you running day game at the same types of locations I've mentioned? If so, are you having more success alone in terms of either moving her to another location for an instadate or securing a future meetup later in the day/week?

[Art Pimp]

I know the goal is to isolate, but I feel it's also important to maintain a good dynamic between you and the wing while talking to the girls (at least initially). Does it seem like you two are operating as friends or simply as two guys who need each other to get laid? Something to think about anyway.

[Christian McQueen]

I've run into the same problem and it's what prompted me to learn to roll solo. That being said I'm in the Los Angeles area so if anyone wants to roll out PM me. Having worked in nightlife for years I have mad hookups for clubs etc. I prefer to roll with a wing but it's hard to find a decent one for some fucking reason.

[bojangles]

at least you have a friend who doesnt cockblock you, he'll get better, persist with him, I'd rather go out and game with a red pill compadre than a blue pill compadre.

[MrXY]

(12-06-2012 11:21 PM)Apollo2 Wrote:  

Problem is I need him. Girls in 2 sets won't ditch their friend and pawn her off to a random guy unless she has a guy herself . She won't abandon her friend as she's her lifeline for the night.

This is incorrect and is the root of your problem right here. You absolutely do not need a wingman to approach a two set.

Search the forum for discussions of how to tell if a two set is DTF. If they are, they will have an agreement that if one of them gets approached by a guy she likes, the other will not cockblock and will make herself scarce

When you bring a wingman you screw up this dynamic. Think about it-what are the odds that a girl you approach is going to like you and her friend is going to like your friend? Pretty low. So even if a girl likes you, she is going to notice that the friend doesn't like your wing and will pull her away.

Learn to go out solo

[Sebastian]

Don't blame your wing or don't try to depend on your wing.

Just go out with him, have fun talking with him. when you see a target, approach on your own. let him do his thing on his own too.

I had this guy talking about his friend doing stupid shit to the girls he opened.
I told him 'well he is your friend and you brought him?' that shut his mouth.

[TheCaptainPower]

To be honest, sometimes your wing can screw you up, escpecially if he has "foot in mouth disease".

I used to hang out with this Russian programmer who would also bust out racist jokes...I would always end up apologizing for him, total cock blocker.

If he is a good friend try to straighten him out and let him know his game is killing you.....