[Kitsune]

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/2012/11/3...-32340733/

I don't know if any of you guys are aware of this story, but I think I remember it being discussed here.


Ya Boy Dave, a poster on bodybuilding.com's misc, filmed a threesome where he and a friend were having sex with an engaged chick who wanted to hook up with him. The video went viral a way back.

Just thought I'd give you all a heads up what with a lot of us talking (some filming) about sex on the internet and all.

The treatment of him in the article above is pretty shit: not only is he a registered sex offender now, but he gets ten months inside and the affectionate title of "Pervert from Aintree."

Just so this thread is informative too:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voyeurism#Legal_status

In the UK, where this happened, this seems to be a standard punishment even with no intention to distribute. So I'm thinking if you want to avoid the old false-rape charge, you're going to need to get/manufacture consent on film as well as in reality.

[assman]

He was an idiot to give copies of this to his friends or make it available on the internet.

If you record, keep that shit to yourself! If you insist on showing a friend, show him on your computer - do not upload anywhere or give him a copy.

[WesternCancer]

I like how they make no mention of her being engaged. Lock up the evil man to save the innocent woman's dignity! She lost that when she took dick that wasn't her fiances.

[Basil Ransom]

Holy shit. I remember the story, and give him massive props for it.

Everything that comes out of the UK nowadays is utter horseshit. You read the stuff from there and you think it can't possibly be true, and yet it is.

[WanderingSoul]

What he did is super fucked up, but it is still MILES less fucked up than her getting gang banged while engaged to someone else. Her fiancee will never live this one down. All of his friends have seen a video of his future wife getting trained on the internet by two bodybuilders....time to leave the country.

[Basil Ransom]

Check out his shit eating grin as he's leaving the court. Don't usually say this, but... Alpaha as fuck, written all over him.

(12-03-2012 02:53 PM)RioNomad Wrote:  

What he did is super fucked up

Why?

[Menace]

He pleaded guilty. Should have fought it. I would use the "it wasn't me" defense.

[Samseau]

After reading some news stories in Britian, it makes me proud to be an American. No wonder we revolted from those fucking loonies.

10 months in jail for filming this whore? That is OUTRAGEOUS.

Look at what the mangina judge said,

"She must have found it extremely humiliating and degrading. In my judgement what you did to her involved a gross invasion of her privacy and also represents a significant breach of trust.

“She was entitled to expect that you would treat her with respect and dignity. Instead you filmed her having sex with you."


She was entitled to respect and dignity? The WHORE WAS CHEATING ON HER FIANCE!

With judges like that, who needs laws? Who needs a criminal justice system? Banana republic.

[NYJ]

I remember YBD lol. Sucks he ended up in the slammer. That hoe isn't innocent at all, she was cheating on her fiance ffs!

Who else miscs on here?

[scorpion]

Whatever happened to discretion? Why would he distribute the tape? He was just asking for something like this to happen.

And for what? To impress some of his internet buddies?

This is what happens when your ego overtakes your better judgment.

It shows a lack of self-confidence. Instead of being comfortable with his level of game and ability to bang this girl, he needed more. He needed validation from other men. He needed them to recognize his game.

Well, mission accomplished I guess. Game recognized. And name recognized - on the sex offender registry.

Gentlemen, let this be a cautionary tale. Never let your ego and desire to show off your game sabotage yourself over the long term. Instead walk around with the quiet confidence in your abilities, and be comfortable with the fact that the only true and lasting validation comes from within.

[Samseau]

(12-03-2012 04:01 PM)scorpion Wrote:  

Whatever happened to discretion? Why would he distribute the tape? He was just asking for something like this to happen.

And for what? To impress some of his internet buddies?

This is what happens when your ego overtakes your better judgment.

It shows a lack of self-confidence. Instead of being comfortable with his level of game and ability to bang this girl, he needed more. He needed validation from other men. He needed them to recognize his game.

Well, mission accomplished I guess. Game recognized. And name recognized - on the sex offender registry.

Gentlemen, let this be a cautionary tale. Never let your ego and desire to show off your game sabotage yourself over the long term. Instead walk around with the quiet confidence in your abilities, and be comfortable with the fact that the only true and lasting validation comes from within.

It's not like this guy did this with every girl he fucked. He only filmed this woman with the intention to distribute because she approached him on facebook under the "engaged" status.

This man is a hero. He was actively shaming a lying cheating slut in public. In saner times, he'd be lauded as a defender of marriage and all things good and pure. Instead, he was sent to jail.

[scorpion]

(12-03-2012 04:04 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(12-03-2012 04:01 PM)scorpion Wrote:  

Whatever happened to discretion? Why would he distribute the tape? He was just asking for something like this to happen.

And for what? To impress some of his internet buddies?

This is what happens when your ego overtakes your better judgment.

It shows a lack of self-confidence. Instead of being comfortable with his level of game and ability to bang this girl, he needed more. He needed validation from other men. He needed them to recognize his game.

Well, mission accomplished I guess. Game recognized. And name recognized - on the sex offender registry.

Gentlemen, let this be a cautionary tale. Never let your ego and desire to show off your game sabotage yourself over the long term. Instead walk around with the quiet confidence in your abilities, and be comfortable with the fact that the only true and lasting validation comes from within.

It's not like this guy did this with every girl he fucked. He only filmed this woman with the intention to distribute because she approached him on facebook under the "engaged" status.

This man is a hero. He was actively shaming a lying cheating slut in public. In saner times, he'd be lauded as a defender of marriage and all things good and pure. Instead, he was sent to jail.

C'mon now, this guy is hardly some moral paragon. He knowingly fucked an engaged woman and recorded the act without her knowledge, then distributed it. His motives were clearly not to shame her and promote a cultural shift toward increased slut-shaming. His motive was to look like a baller to his internet friends.

Speaking as a guy who has fucked more than a handful of spoken-for women, I would never try to claim any substantive moral high ground over any of those girls. Was what they did morally worse than what I did? Sure. But that doesn't mean that what I was doing was perfectly fine. When you knowingly fuck a taken woman, you're an accessory to her crime, so to speak. You are actively enabling her sluttery. It's like being the getaway driver to a bank heist. Yeah, you weren't waving a gun in anyone's face, but you knew what your accomplice was doing and helped him do it.

When you fuck a girl - any girl, much less a girl who is sneaking around - in my mind you owe her a certain level of discretion. That doesn't mean you can't tell your closest buddies about it, but filming the act without her consent and distributing it on the internet definitely crosses the line in my opinion. Maybe that's old-fashioned thinking these days (or maybe I'm just beta??? ), but it would never even cross my mind to do something like that.

And really, was the juice worth the squeeze? What did he get in exchange for sending out this video? A few dozen "game recognized" comments from his friends? And the price was jail time and a spot on the sex offender registry. Even worse, this will follow him around for the rest of his life. Any girl who googles him will either split on the spot or only agree to be fucked in some CIA-style clean room to ensure she isn't being secretly recorded. In the end this was nothing but a monumental self-cockblock.

[lavidaloca]

The problem is he literally distributed it worldwide for free by linking it to bodybuilding.com misc. So many people use that and then it jumped over to other forums. While clearly I think its morally wrong for an engaged women to be cheating I also think its wrong to film without consent. Even if filming withotu consent is a gray area, posting the video all over the internet certainly is wrong. How would you like your weiner to be viewed by hundreds of thousands if not millions of people. Because thats what occured in this case.

[Samseau]

(12-03-2012 04:27 PM)scorpion Wrote:  

C'mon now, this guy is hardly some moral paragon. He knowingly fucked an engaged woman and recorded the act without her knowledge, then distributed it.

Are you sure she was filmed without her consent? I've watched the vids. He's holding the vid in one hand while grabbing her ass with the other.

You're telling me she didn't see him filming? I call bullshit.



Second off, it doesn't matter if his intentions were totally pure or not, he still did the right thing, in principle, by shaming that slut. The morally wrong way would have been to fuck her and not tell anyone, but by shaming her in such a public fashion he actually helped to create an environment where women will be less likely to cheat on their men.

[WanderingSoul]

(12-03-2012 03:07 PM)basilransom Wrote:  

Check out his shit eating grin as he's leaving the court. Don't usually say this, but... Alpaha as fuck, written all over him.

(12-03-2012 02:53 PM)RioNomad Wrote:  

What he did is super fucked up

Why?

Filming someone without their knowledge while you are fucking them, and then distributing the tape, is fucked up. How could you even argue that? Just because she's a whore, doesn't make it less fucked up. What she did is way more fucked up, but he made a shitty move as well.

To the people saying what he did is right, let's be real. The "right" thing to do would have been to ignore her request, or tell her fiancee about it. Not run a train on her, film it, and distribute it. She's a whore, and I don't feel bad for her, but that doesn't make it right. I feel bad for her fiancee and her parents. Those are the people who really got fucked in this situation.

[NYJ]

(12-03-2012 04:01 PM)scorpion Wrote:  

Whatever happened to discretion? Why would he distribute the tape? He was just asking for something like this to happen.

And for what? To impress some of his internet buddies?

This is what happens when your ego overtakes your better judgment.

It shows a lack of self-confidence. Instead of being comfortable with his level of game and ability to bang this girl, he needed more. He needed validation from other men. He needed them to recognize his game.

Well, mission accomplished I guess. Game recognized. And name recognized - on the sex offender registry.

Gentlemen, let this be a cautionary tale. Never let your ego and desire to show off your game sabotage yourself over the long term. Instead walk around with the quiet confidence in your abilities, and be comfortable with the fact that the only true and lasting validation comes from within.

Sad thing is the last place I'd try to impress is that subsection. Most of them over there live vicariously through Zyzz.

[scorpion]

(12-03-2012 05:10 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(12-03-2012 04:27 PM)scorpion Wrote:  

C'mon now, this guy is hardly some moral paragon. He knowingly fucked an engaged woman and recorded the act without her knowledge, then distributed it.

Are you sure she was filmed without her consent? I've watched the vids. He's holding the vid in one hand while grabbing her ass with the other.

You're telling me she didn't see him filming? I call bullshit.



Second off, it doesn't matter if his intentions were totally pure or not, he still did the right thing, in principle, by shaming that slut. The morally wrong way would have been to fuck her and not tell anyone, but by shaming her in such a public fashion he actually helped to create an environment where women will be less likely to cheat on their men.

I haven't seen the video so I'm not sure. I'm just going by the reported facts of her not being aware of the filming.

Also, by this logic, her cuckolded fiance would have been in the right to kill both the cheating whore and the guy who recorded the video. Doing so would definitely make other women less likely to cheat, and make other men less likely to fuck taken women. It's the ultimate public stand against cheating sluts and the morally unscrupulous men who enable their behavior.

You're saying that it's ok for the guy to commit a wrong (distributing the tape) in response to the girl's wrong (cheating on her man). But where does it end? Where do we draw the line? Why shouldn't the cuckold commit his own wrong? After all, he is the real victim here, the only affected party who did not knowingly and intentionally engage in some wrongdoing and deceit. Should he be entitled to justice by his own hand, and in doing so serve the greater social purpose of public slut-shaming?

Going down this road leads us to traditional Islamic morality. Straight up Taliban shit.

The real question is, how far are we willing to go as a society to create a culture of slut shaming? The Taliban are willing to stone women to death in the public square, which in their opinion is morally necessary but strikes most everyone else as morally repugnant. In Britain, this man ran afoul of the law for distributing this tape, so he clearly went too far as well, at least in the eyes of the law. But I agree that some level of slut shaming in society is definitely necessary. Where is the happy medium?

[Basil Ransom]

(12-03-2012 04:27 PM)scorpion Wrote:  

(12-03-2012 04:04 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(12-03-2012 04:01 PM)scorpion Wrote:  

Whatever happened to discretion? Why would he distribute the tape? He was just asking for something like this to happen.

And for what? To impress some of his internet buddies?

This is what happens when your ego overtakes your better judgment.

It shows a lack of self-confidence. Instead of being comfortable with his level of game and ability to bang this girl, he needed more. He needed validation from other men. He needed them to recognize his game.

Well, mission accomplished I guess. Game recognized. And name recognized - on the sex offender registry.

Gentlemen, let this be a cautionary tale. Never let your ego and desire to show off your game sabotage yourself over the long term. Instead walk around with the quiet confidence in your abilities, and be comfortable with the fact that the only true and lasting validation comes from within.

It's not like this guy did this with every girl he fucked. He only filmed this woman with the intention to distribute because she approached him on facebook under the "engaged" status.

This man is a hero. He was actively shaming a lying cheating slut in public. In saner times, he'd be lauded as a defender of marriage and all things good and pure. Instead, he was sent to jail.

C'mon now, this guy is hardly some moral paragon. He knowingly fucked an engaged woman and recorded the act without her knowledge, then distributed it. His motives were clearly not to shame her and promote a cultural shift toward increased slut-shaming. His motive was to look like a baller to his internet friends.

Speaking as a guy who has fucked more than a handful of spoken-for women, I would never try to claim any substantive moral high ground over any of those girls. Was what they did morally worse than what I did? Sure. But that doesn't mean that what I was doing was perfectly fine. When you knowingly fuck a taken woman, you're an accessory to her crime, so to speak. You are actively enabling her sluttery. It's like being the getaway driver to a bank heist. Yeah, you weren't waving a gun in anyone's face, but you knew what your accomplice was doing and helped him do it.

When you fuck a girl - any girl, much less a girl who is sneaking around - in my mind you owe her a certain level of discretion. That doesn't mean you can't tell your closest buddies about it, but filming the act without her consent and distributing it on the internet definitely crosses the line in my opinion. Maybe that's old-fashioned thinking these days (or maybe I'm just beta??? ), but it would never even cross my mind to do something like that.

And really, was the juice worth the squeeze? What did he get in exchange for sending out this video? A few dozen "game recognized" comments from his friends? And the price was jail time and a spot on the sex offender registry. Even worse, this will follow him around for the rest of his life. Any girl who googles him will either split on the spot or only agree to be fucked in some CIA-style clean room to ensure she isn't being secretly recorded. In the end this was nothing but a monumental self-cockblock.

It's hard to take you seriously when the first thing out of your mouth is 'I'm more alpha than this dude.'

I hardly know YBD, but a lack of confidence is not among his virtues.

[jammer]

(12-03-2012 05:10 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(12-03-2012 04:27 PM)scorpion Wrote:  

C'mon now, this guy is hardly some moral paragon. He knowingly fucked an engaged woman and recorded the act without her knowledge, then distributed it.

Are you sure she was filmed without her consent? I've watched the vids. He's holding the vid in one hand while grabbing her ass with the other.

You're telling me she didn't see him filming? I call bullshit.

IIRC he started filming her in doggy so she couldn't see then when she saw the camera, the footage ended because she chased him out of the house.

[Rah]

Google "xnxx ya boy dave"

[Screwston]

Where can I watch it?

[Menace]

Guys you can't seriously believe that filming sex with someone without their consent to be recorded is going to be unpunished by the law in some way. He wasn't punished for being disrespectful but for invasion of privacy, which is at least a common law tort, and it looks like it's a misdemeanor (or equivalent) in the UK. None of this should be shocking.

I watched the video above, and there is more shots of him and his mate clowning around than of him banging the girl. Also throwing in Zyzz catch phrases. Video is about them as much as the girl. I'll reserve my sympathy for guys who really get screwed by women with false accusations, not guys who do stupid ass shit.

[alphabeta]

(12-03-2012 08:50 PM)Rah Wrote:  

Google "xnxx ya boy dave"

LMAO... Guess it wasn't with her consent!

[canucktraveller]

(12-03-2012 04:04 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

It's not like this guy did this with every girl he fucked. He only filmed this woman with the intention to distribute because she approached him on facebook under the "engaged" status.

This man is a hero. He was actively shaming a lying cheating slut in public. In saner times, he'd be lauded as a defender of marriage and all things good and pure. Instead, he was sent to jail.

Actually he filmed himself fucking a bunch of random sluts he picked up at the bar. He used misc lingo and at one point put on a bert mask

The girl involved with this case wasn't even the cheating fiance, it was one of the other girls he banged. Notice how there was no mention of the 2nd guy anywhere in the report.


I always thought the guy was an insecure douchbag who got insanely popular with the virgin miscers. Can't say he didn't deserve some punishment. (Although 10 months is undoubtedly harsh)




Also, in "saner times" the cheating man or women could be executed for cheating. Is that what you are after?

[lavidaloca]

Thats the only video I saw. He posted more than one on the misc?