[Vacancier Permanent]

Classic stuff man! Reading your updates reminds me so much of my awesome time when I was living there! Keep'em coming man those awesome updates! Can't wait to return there!

[Unique]

I'll be in Bangkok tomorrow, and onward for a few months, drop me a PM if anyone want to meet up and hit the discos!

[ImmoralPsychology]

Working my way through this thread, but it's damn long and I have a burning question.

How much would it cost to live a 'decent' lifestyle? Of course, everyone's definition of that is going to differ, but I'm talking clean and not-embarrassing accommodation, utils, food, transportation, etc. Not excessively fancy, not broke ass motherfucker either. Not a big drinker. I'm still a long way away from being able to live off my online activities but eventually I'll get there. Rather than wait it out in the 2nd most expensive city in the world though, it would be fun to go and park myself in a cheaper country with nice weather where I can make ends meet on 1/2 of that until I start making enough to live anywhere I want. I know it's cheap, but how cheap to live?

[Vacancier Permanent]

IP,
Chech the cost of living thread where you will see several guys posting about their lifestyle and how much it cost them in BKK. That shouldgive you a solid idea.

[ImmoralPsychology]

Thanks VP!

[Asaxon]

Are we talking permanent or temporary accommodation? Rent etc would probably be about $400 for a decent place in Bkk. Food can be had for maybe three bucks a day for basics, five to ten if you live well. This does not mean western restaurants though... Not including health insurance etc I think a thousand USD a month would carry one through here for rent etc, transportation, food and necessities.

[Asaxon]

Update: Bait and switch! I had to change hotels and picked one right next to my first place. My first hotel was getting a bit weird about bringing girls back and definitely overpriced for the room size so I figured I would go somewhere else. I booked a solid mid-range hotel and when I arrived was directed somewhere completely different than the reception building. Apparently they have three "towers" and agoda bookings get assigned to the one across the street behind another building and alley... The room is okay but it still feels shifty. I had inspected the main property before booking and nowhere did it mention the "ghetto annexes" online... I could have actually gotten a better place for less but did not want to put up with the taxi Mafia that routinely denies taking fares under 2km (at least when I ask them). They even refuse airport fares in three out of four cases (my girl needed to go to work by the airport this morning). I am not sure why they do not like both long and short tours but it seems ridiculous to have to beg cabs when there are a million around here. Where DO they want to go?
I have a massively sore and raspy throat, haven't really slept in 2 days (staying up till 8am has destroyed my inner clock completely) and feel all around lousy. Glad I have no girl tonight as it was a struggle to even finish this morning. Seems most girls here feel insulted if they leave without a morning session... Not sure if it is out of a desire to please or insecurity or if they really like it. Never thought I would say this but I could go without morning "exercise" for a bit. It is hard to make out or stay hard when you need to clear your throat every ten secs and have a sinus headache. I hope to be back on track for the weekend.

[Kdog]

I hate agoda. Same thing happened to me. Shows all new hotel, I get there an follow the employee through the hallway from the new part to the old 1970s part. Brutal.

[Asaxon]

Update: It took me twenty minutes to walk three hundred feet up my soi. The entire street is full to the top with Asians, not sure if Thai or Chinese, lining up for a quarter mile to get into a weird hole in the wall called "bash" right next to my hotel. It is a war zone out there, I tried to find out what is so great about the place but got only blank staring... Everybody in line was dressed extremely well, I am talking designer suits, evening dresses etc., not the usual BKK club gear. I doubt I would be let in plus am too sick to queue up for hours. I tried chatting up a few girls in line but they were embarrassed to talk to this t--shirt wearing farang who had just come back from seven eleven...

[the_conductor]

Was it Soi 11? There's a new late, after hours place there called bash, although I've never been.

[Asaxon]

Yup soi 11. I googled "Bash" and it has been open since October, unless it has been delayed. Not sure why the Wednesday crowd.

[WanderingSoul]

Just grabbed up a hostel for the night next to where my apartment is. Hoping to get my place lined up tomorrow, but might not until next week. Chick at reception is hot and wearing fake blue contacts. I want to bang her, and spit a bit of game at her which she was receptive to, but after 26 hours of travel I don't have any gas in the tank. Feel like a chump, but it's a valid excuse I guess.

Got one of my regulars hitting me on FB. She's obviously wasted and in Chonburi, but insists on seeing me tonight. Hope she doesn't drive her drunk ass back to BKK thinking she is going to see me. I'm too exhausted to deal with her tonight. If I don't get my place lined up tomorrow, I might just crash at her townhouse with her and her two sisters. Too bad for you guys they both got BFs hah.

[DVY]

Cliffnotes at bottom

Chiang Mai Day 3 - Wake up at 7.50 am, and go have breakfast buffett at hotel. Have some yogurt, eggs, cereal, rice, noodles and other assorted mediocre food from hotel. Get picked around 8.15 by tour guide. Our bus is a pickup truck w/a roof in the back and zip-down Velcro windows. No back lid. Two benches are bolted down to the carriage. Looks pretty shoddy. Elephant-riding, butterfly/orchid farm, white-water rafting, bamboo rafting, and long-neck tribe.

Pick up 6 more tourists. All from England/Australian. Goodness, I don’t miss white girls at all. These girls probably would be considered a 5 or 6 at home, but man I felt nothing for them. The laugh, talk, vulgarity, horrible dress, and ridiculous mannerisms is now such a turn-off. We shoot the shit about countries, travel, blah blah blah. The day was pretty cool actually. I really liked the elephant camps, but my elephant was really hungry and kept trying to eat leaves and branches, but the tour guide wouldn’t let the elephant do it. 1 of the tourist girls bought a bunch of bananas to feed the elephant. The elephant ate them in a heartbeat. Pounded down 10 banannas in 2 mins. A picture starts forming in my head- elephants are not feed properly so that the tourists will buy more bananas for elephants to eat. I share this thought with the girl who bought the bananas and typical girl polyanna behavior. No thai people are very nice, they wouldn’t so such a thing. They definitely feed the elephants. I didn’t argue w/her, but I could see the conflict in her face afterwards. On the tour bus next, the girls started asking me how I liked it. I told them I didn’t like getting scammed non-stop. They were like “WE haven’t been scammed here”. Lol, too freaking funny. They are telling me that its so cheap here, the people are so friendly, they haven’t had any issues. I look at the in mock-amused shock. Tell them they must be very lucky than. They say, its just you that must be very unlucky than!!!. Classic girl logic. If it wasn’t so sad, I think I might have laughed even harder.

Day 3 night-time- Shower, get dressed, and bring my “3 objects” (trademark RVF user TravelHardcore) -chewing gum, lube, and condoms. I walk to Zoe in Yellow. Its empty. Walk back and decide meh, ill just go get a nice massage. Run into a bunch of peeps from England trying to argue w/tuk tuk to go to Reggae festival. I help w/the bargaining. I have picked up transactional thai by this time (1 week), and bargain w/him down to 100 baht for 6 people. He argees to take them. I plan to just walk to massage, but they convince me to hop on too. We get 8 ppl total if you count driver on tuk-tuk. Make it to festival w/some laughs. Hop out, and theres the cop right there. They look at us and just laugh.

We walk into reggae festival and start drinking. I drink w/them for about ten minutes and shoot the shit. Then tired of being surrounded by westerners, I excuse myself and proceed first to bathroom, then through the crowd. Its mostly farang and the picking are pretty weak, but I soldier on. Get to the front and theres a couple thai girls that I ran into at Zoe’s earlier in the night. We start dancing in a circle and have some laughs. They share a drink from their songsam bucket. I laugh and reject the straw they gave me (eww) and drank straight from the side. Clubbing is all about simple status projection- staying in motion and being high-energy, fun, friendly and not “threatening”. Just the fact that 3 girls are dancing near you and sharing stuff w/you lets you springboard easier to other groups or grab groups into your group. I stay w/them for a while and like one of them. I start dance-flirting w/her. Bumping her butt w/my butt and smiling. She gets a confused look on her face and grabs the 1 dude in our circle. I let it go. Continue to dance in circle, because quite frankly see nothing else there. The whole group gets tired and we go to rest. A cute girl start speaking to me in thai. I look at her and smile- “English please”. 1 of the girls in the group comes over and says ohhh, this is my friend. She thought you were my brother. This thai girl is half-dutch, half-thai. Lol. I dip out after that and the lack of prospects in that circle.

Post up near stage and drink my beer slowly. Chop it up at all the girls walking out from the bathroom area. Lol, it’s 1 good strategy when its really bad out on dance area- they feel relieved to pee and are happy to come back to party. Nothing sticks.
Migrate to the side-stage area and get up on stage. Start breaking down the beat on STAGE in front of hundreds of people just out of personal enjoyment. Party finishes around 1ish. Meet up w/the English/Australian dudes and gals from before. I take charge of bargaining. 200 baht, no, 150 baht no, 100 baht, no, ok 100 baht for all of us (there 8 ppl). Tuk tuk driver OKs it. We hop on. Its 9 ppl on the tuk-tuk. Epicly funny how cramped that shit was. Hes driving and hitting the dips in the road and the wheels started jamming against the frame. LOL its too heavy for the tuk-tuk. I have video proof!!!! We make back to zoe in yellow, and its freaking bumping. 2 floors- 1 floor hip/hop and 1 floor house.

I lick my lips in anticipation of drunk thai girls and after-hours which is my bread and butter. Chop up everything cute that I see in rapid 10-20 minute succession to do a quick recon of the area. 1 of the English/Australian dudes tags along and is shocked by how quickly I run through these girls. He does decently well after I push him to approach random girls.

Hes tells me, “I have never done anything that ridiculous so fast ever. Lets keep going” Hes elaborates that he is 18 and just recently broke up w/his GF. I begin to see myself in him about 3-4 years ago. The taste of quick pulls and the dopamine hit of getting sexy girls with close to zero effort is a high umatched by many experiences. I am jaded already, but still I envy his personal excitement at just dancing and name-closing 5-6 in a row.

We continue on and he does well. I lose him and off to hunt solo, which is my best way. I dance through the club slowly. Girls latch on and grab me. I dance and spin free, then analyze the girl. Cute girl w/2 female friends. Start talking w/her and she passes me to her ugly friend and tell me “you like her!” and give me a frown. I am almost certain these girls are pros and shes trying to get the ugliest one w/a customer. I tell her are “you selling me HER?” Then dance on. Music stops in about another 10 mins.

I proceed out of club and chop up every cute girl that gives me eyes. Cute girl from earlier comes out and says hi to me. I chat w/her some and the details come out. Ugly girl just broke up w/her BF. They came together. We start chatting more and I close her w/a “lets go eat street food.” She agrees. Then, kismet. 2 thai dudes come rolling up in a motorbike. They hop off and start chatting w/me and my cute thai girl and her drunk ugly friend. I ask them to take drunk girl home. They chat in fast thai, blah blah. 1 thai dude seems OK with me. 1 dude seems like a friendly guy, but I test him out and ask him which way is loi kroh road, best way to get there and he points me in the wrong direction. Hater alert!!!! This start getting dogdy now, my girl gets up but hugs me and gives me her #. Shes 19 and still in uni. Tells me to call her to meet tomorrow. Everybody hops on motorbike and I ask for ride. They tell me to get tuk-tuk. I explain, no way- I hate the tuk-tuk, and would rather walk the 1km.

Walk back and see that mcdonalds is still open (its 3.15 am in Chiang Mai). Start walking towards mcdonalds and see a girl that I chopped up earlier on in the night. Re-open her as she is pulling out on a motorbike and she is very receptive. I tell her to park, and grab her to mcdees. She just ate mcdees so I grab a burger to go. Australian/English dudes are there, but I ignore them because this bang is not a solid lead at this point. Any distractions can be fatal. Then I 7-11 milk-close her. Buy the milk, shoot the shit. Then walk up to my hotel w/her. We eat on my balcony, drink the milk, eat some chocolate, then I tell her to shower up. Obedient little thing. I shower, bang for 30 or so mins. My abs are freaking killing me at this point. Im exhausted and bust, and am not even satisfied.

Wake up around 10 clock to her shaking me- “I need go work.” I laugh and go back to sleep. She wakes me up again in 20 mins, I guess to bang, but I am too tired. I tell her I see you next time. She gets the hint then dresses and leaves.

PS- woah that was long.
Cliffnotes- Go trekking/elephant-riding. Am disgusted w/white girls. Go out at night and pull late-night swoop w/help of late-night mcdonalds. Close w/my 7-11 milk swoop. Smash until tired. Girl wakes me up at 10am to smash again. I go back to sleep.

[Teddykgb]

(12-12-2012 02:47 PM)DVY Wrote:  

Cliffnotes at bottom

Chiang Mai Day 3 - Wake up at 7.50 am, and go have breakfast buffett at hotel. Have some yogurt, eggs, cereal, rice, noodles and other assorted mediocre food from hotel. Get picked around 8.15 by tour guide. Our bus is a pickup truck w/a roof in the back and zip-down Velcro windows. No back lid. Two benches are bolted down to the carriage. Looks pretty shoddy. Elephant-riding, butterfly/orchid farm, white-water rafting, bamboo rafting, and long-neck tribe.

Pick up 6 more tourists. All from England/Australian. Goodness, I don’t miss white girls at all. These girls probably would be considered a 5 or 6 at home, but man I felt nothing for them. The laugh, talk, vulgarity, horrible dress, and ridiculous mannerisms is now such a turn-off. We shoot the shit about countries, travel, blah blah blah. The day was pretty cool actually. I really liked the elephant camps, but my elephant was really hungry and kept trying to eat leaves and branches, but the tour guide wouldn’t let the elephant do it. 1 of the tourist girls bought a bunch of bananas to feed the elephant. The elephant ate them in a heartbeat. Pounded down 10 banannas in 2 mins. A picture starts forming in my head- elephants are not feed properly so that the tourists will buy more bananas for elephants to eat. I share this thought with the girl who bought the bananas and typical girl polyanna behavior. No thai people are very nice, they wouldn’t so such a thing. They definitely feed the elephants. I didn’t argue w/her, but I could see the conflict in her face afterwards. On the tour bus next, the girls started asking me how I liked it. I told them I didn’t like getting scammed non-stop. They were like “WE haven’t been scammed here”. Lol, too freaking funny. They are telling me that its so cheap here, the people are so friendly, they haven’t had any issues. I look at the in mock-amused shock. Tell them they must be very lucky than. They say, its just you that must be very unlucky than!!!. Classic girl logic. If it wasn’t so sad, I think I might have laughed even harder.

Day 3 night-time- Shower, get dressed, and bring my “3 objects” (trademark RVF user TravelHardcore) -chewing gum, lube, and condoms. I walk to Zoe in Yellow. Its empty. Walk back and decide meh, ill just go get a nice massage. Run into a bunch of peeps from England trying to argue w/tuk tuk to go to Reggae festival. I help w/the bargaining. I have picked up transactional thai by this time (1 week), and bargain w/him down to 100 baht for 6 people. He argees to take them. I plan to just walk to massage, but they convince me to hop on too. We get 8 ppl total if you count driver on tuk-tuk. Make it to festival w/some laughs. Hop out, and theres the cop right there. They look at us and just laugh.

We walk into reggae festival and start drinking. I drink w/them for about ten minutes and shoot the shit. Then tired of being surrounded by westerners, I excuse myself and proceed first to bathroom, then through the crowd. Its mostly farang and the picking are pretty weak, but I soldier on. Get to the front and theres a couple thai girls that I ran into at Zoe’s earlier in the night. We start dancing in a circle and have some laughs. They share a drink from their songsam bucket. I laugh and reject the straw they gave me (eww) and drank straight from the side. Clubbing is all about simple status projection- staying in motion and being high-energy, fun, friendly and not “threatening”. Just the fact that 3 girls are dancing near you and sharing stuff w/you lets you springboard easier to other groups or grab groups into your group. I stay w/them for a while and like one of them. I start dance-flirting w/her. Bumping her butt w/my butt and smiling. She gets a confused look on her face and grabs the 1 dude in our circle. I let it go. Continue to dance in circle, because quite frankly see nothing else there. The whole group gets tired and we go to rest. A cute girl start speaking to me in thai. I look at her and smile- “English please”. 1 of the girls in the group comes over and says ohhh, this is my friend. She thought you were my brother. This thai girl is half-dutch, half-thai. Lol. I dip out after that and the lack of prospects in that circle.

Post up near stage and drink my beer slowly. Chop it up at all the girls walking out from the bathroom area. Lol, it’s 1 good strategy when its really bad out on dance area- they feel relieved to pee and are happy to come back to party. Nothing sticks.
Migrate to the side-stage area and get up on stage. Start breaking down the beat on STAGE in front of hundreds of people just out of personal enjoyment. Party finishes around 1ish. Meet up w/the English/Australian dudes and gals from before. I take charge of bargaining. 200 baht, no, 150 baht no, 100 baht, no, ok 100 baht for all of us (there 8 ppl). Tuk tuk driver OKs it. We hop on. Its 9 ppl on the tuk-tuk. Epicly funny how cramped that shit was. Hes driving and hitting the dips in the road and the wheels started jamming against the frame. LOL its too heavy for the tuk-tuk. I have video proof!!!! We make back to zoe in yellow, and its freaking bumping. 2 floors- 1 floor hip/hop and 1 floor house.

I lick my lips in anticipation of drunk thai girls and after-hours which is my bread and butter. Chop up everything cute that I see in rapid 10-20 minute succession to do a quick recon of the area. 1 of the English/Australian dudes tags along and is shocked by how quickly I run through these girls. He does decently well after I push him to approach random girls.

Hes tells me, “I have never done anything that ridiculous so fast ever. Lets keep going” Hes elaborates that he is 18 and just recently broke up w/his GF. I begin to see myself in him about 3-4 years ago. The taste of quick pulls and the dopamine hit of getting sexy girls with close to zero effort is a high umatched by many experiences. I am jaded already, but still I envy his personal excitement at just dancing and name-closing 5-6 in a row.

We continue on and he does well. I lose him and off to hunt solo, which is my best way. I dance through the club slowly. Girls latch on and grab me. I dance and spin free, then analyze the girl. Cute girl w/2 female friends. Start talking w/her and she passes me to her ugly friend and tell me “you like her!” and give me a frown. I am almost certain these girls are pros and shes trying to get the ugliest one w/a customer. I tell her are “you selling me HER?” Then dance on. Music stops in about another 10 mins.

I proceed out of club and chop up every cute girl that gives me eyes. Cute girl from earlier comes out and says hi to me. I chat w/her some and the details come out. Ugly girl just broke up w/her BF. They came together. We start chatting more and I close her w/a “lets go eat street food.” She agrees. Then, kismet. 2 thai dudes come rolling up in a motorbike. They hop off and start chatting w/me and my cute thai girl and her drunk ugly friend. I ask them to take drunk girl home. They chat in fast thai, blah blah. 1 thai dude seems OK with me. 1 dude seems like a friendly guy, but I test him out and ask him which way is loi kroh road, best way to get there and he points me in the wrong direction. Hater alert!!!! This start getting dogdy now, my girl gets up but hugs me and gives me her #. Shes 19 and still in uni. Tells me to call her to meet tomorrow. Everybody hops on motorbike and I ask for ride. They tell me to get tuk-tuk. I explain, no way- I hate the tuk-tuk, and would rather walk the 1km.

Walk back and see that mcdonalds is still open (its 3.15 am in Chiang Mai). Start walking towards mcdonalds and see a girl that I chopped up earlier on in the night. Re-open her as she is pulling out on a motorbike and she is very receptive. I tell her to park, and grab her to mcdees. She just ate mcdees so I grab a burger to go. Australian/English dudes are there, but I ignore them because this bang is not a solid lead at this point. Any distractions can be fatal. Then I 7-11 milk-close her. Buy the milk, shoot the shit. Then walk up to my hotel w/her. We eat on my balcony, drink the milk, eat some chocolate, then I tell her to shower up. Obedient little thing. I shower, bang for 30 or so mins. My abs are freaking killing me at this point. Im exhausted and bust, and am not even satisfied.

Wake up around 10 clock to her shaking me- “I need go work.” I laugh and go back to sleep. She wakes me up again in 20 mins, I guess to bang, but I am too tired. I tell her I see you next time. She gets the hint then dresses and leaves.

PS- woah that was long.
Cliffnotes- Go trekking/elephant-riding. Am disgusted w/white girls. Go out at night and pull late-night swoop w/help of late-night mcdonalds. Close w/my 7-11 milk swoop. Smash until tired. Girl wakes me up at 10am to smash again. I go back to sleep.

I read your post in this voice the whole time.

[Vacancier Permanent]

Absolutely classic stuff DVY!!!Laughed hard reading your post. Loved the way you took the young farang on a hunt with you and how it blew his mind. How about a cool challenge, take this guy and train him properly to join the red pill army and get him on the forum? At 18, he is at the best stage in life to get on the correct path. Would be very fullfilling too to know that you've helped a fellow brother to the good life.

Gotta admit that your 7-11 milk close is a golden one.Ive already made a mental note of trying it when I return to LOS.

Oh and next time you run into a crowd of white buffaloes aka white girls, ask them how do they feel being among these beautiful, feminine and well dressed Thai girls? Ask them if they feel threatened and out of place? Could be a good opener and see their reaction...

Keep up the awesome reports coming guys!

Asaxon, which hotel are you staying at and on which soi? If you can swing it, go to Thon Lor and book a place at a very nice and cozy little hotel called Nantra de Comfort. Great location in the best area of Thong Lor yet only 2-3 BTS stops from the party area. I stayed there about a month when I was living in BKK and I paid about 30 bucks. The 2 girls working at the reception were hot and spoke good English. Plus a tiny breakfast was included, wifi was very fast and rooms clean and spacious. Check it out dude.

RioNomad,
Looking forward to your reports man. Are you going to park in BKK or are you going to CM to do Muay Thai?

Damn, reading all you guys's reports, bring me back a ton of memories and I'm really really tempted to say fuck it, and join you guys sometimes in February....damn!!!

[Menace]

Yeah, Asaxon/DVY really enjoying these reports. Makes me want to go back to Thailand (I was there once but married at the time). Would be a slightly different experience this time. Milk close...that is just great. So you just buy them milk and drink it at your place or what? Like your ruthless efficiency DVY.

[DVY]

The 7-11 milk close is so great because you choose a 7-11 2 mins from your hotel. Secondly, you choose an item that they associate with breakfast/dinner/family. It sets off something in their heads about normality, and off the path of f-ck farang, make money.

At lunch in BKK, Asaxon gave a different spin. He said its great because the girls think you aren't that drunk (typical farang attitude) and water is a drunk person choice, but milk- ????. I like milk because got to keep my protein up here in thailand. Not much meat is in the food. Milk has decent amount of protein and I like it!

In recap, I speculate its more about choosing an object that is random as hell and out of the ordinary and getting some good laughs out of it.

[Asaxon]

Soi 11, paying about 65 bucks plus tax etc...it is high season. I will check out Thong Lor this week.
Lots of street fights in my soi last night, mostly involving English guys. Still taking it easy today to be fit for the weekend. I sorted through the bag I threw my visiting girls' "droppings" in. Everything is "whitening" style: cream, even deodorant, powders etc. I have noticed girls change a bit from a pale Chinese look in public to "browner" in the bedroom during sex. I had always thought it was the light but might be that all the make up (or better: make white) is coming off..

[DVY]

2nd intermediate strategy- Street food close. Shoot the shit w/girl at club. Shes in vulnerable guarded state. You need to isolate cheaply....STREET FOOD to the rescue.

Drop this exact line (simple and effective)- Point at yourself- "I hungry." Point at her- "You come street food?"

This has worked exactly 100% of the time if i have spent any time w/the girl at all. And about 50-80% for me, with girls ive spit at for 2 mins or less (including semi-pros and pros). Big hint- choose a street food place near your hotel.

Then 7-11 close her even closer to your hotel. Then boom boom w/her.

Total price <100 baht most time. If a girlfriend tags along, its <150 baht. True cost of girl is about 50-85 baht.

[Beyond Borders]

You going to go check out any of the mainstream clubs in Chiang Mai, DVY?

[DVY]

Only one I went to Zoe in Yellow. Pretty good, but nothing compared to BKK. I am off to BKK in a few hours. Still packing. If you boys wanna meet up, give me a ring/text/PM me. Left my thai # up there.

[20Nation]

Man this thread is making me miss bkk so much.

[Beyond Borders]

(12-13-2012 12:30 AM)DVY Wrote:  

Only one I went to Zoe in Yellow. Pretty good, but nothing compared to BKK. I am off to BKK in a few hours. Still packing. If you boys wanna meet up, give me a ring/text/PM me. Left my thai # up there.

Yeah, I wouldn't really classify Zoe in Yellow as a mainstream Thai club at all. Mostly tourists, freelancers, straight-up pros, and women who dig white guys (not really a norm in CM).

If you make it to Chiang Mai again, there are some pretty nice clubs there. The women at mainstream spots will be far less apt to hang with a foreigner than in BKK though, that's for sure. BKK is the place to be if you want to hang with middle class and non-pros.

Chiang Mai really takes a month at least to really appreciate - that's always been my opinion.

[Asaxon]

Update: The security guard in my hotel wing repeatedly asked me for money yesterday... I wonder if this is a kind of extortion ("so your room stays safe") or simply the usual tourist treatment. I went to the reception and was upgraded to the main tower without much of a hassle. The new room has more mirrors than regular walls, it is almost creepy when walking around without the lights but will be good for sex.
The drugstore girl called this morning, yet I seem to have problems deciphering her messages between the shoddy connection, her tv in the background and half Thai half English speech. I somehow managed to gather that I am supposed to meet her in my soi, take a car trip to her house and then return. I am curious to see normal Bkk suburban life (google maps shows her neighborhood as a cookie cutter wasteland of single family homes, never seen that in person in Bkk) so I decided to go along despite of my bad experience with office and house visits before...

[DVY]

Lmao asaxon u are in for an interesting experience.