[Willy Wonka]

Lately, for the past two months, I've been going out solo and gaming a lot of women. The main problem I'm having is that since I'm alone, I'm usually approach girls in sets of 2 or 3. I generally get the cutest one to talk to me and engage me in conversation, but usually I either get cockblocked by the friends or I tend to make the conversations somewhat short, and go for the number close. A lot of them tend to flake on me once I call them.

I feel like one way to counteract this would be to isolate them and spend more time with them, but how to do that when she's with her friends and I have no wing to take her friends off of her?

For the record the one chick I did wind up banging after approaching solo, her friend got approached by another guy, which allowed me one-on-one gaming.

[MiXX]

(03-20-2010 03:37 PM)Willy Wonka Wrote:  

Lately, for the past two months, I've been going out solo and gaming a lot of women. The main problem I'm having is that since I'm alone, I'm usually approach girls in sets of 2 or 3. I generally get the cutest one to talk to me and engage me in conversation, but usually I either get cockblocked by the friends or I tend to make the conversations somewhat short, and go for the number close. A lot of them tend to flake on me once I call them.

I feel like one way to counteract this would be to isolate them and spend more time with them, but how to do that when she's with her friends and I have no wing to take her friends off of her?

For the record the one chick I did wind up banging after approaching solo, her friend got approached by another guy, which allowed me one-on-one gaming.

I go out solo a lot too - I find it best to maximize results, and in case I get lucky, I don't have to deal with whining friends when I am ready to leave, or bounce to different venues.

I went out solo last night, once I saw a 3 set, I immediately approached 2 other guys smoking a cigar, who looked cool, and had a look that went well with my own. I told them my plan, and they smiled and admired my game. They were up for the challenge and fun, and I made some new swoop friends.

Surprisingly, most guys will be down to help you swoop, just for the fun, and excitement it adds to their boring night. Also, they may get lucky themselves.

Other times, though not often, you'll run into idiots who don't know better (which is why they are alone to begin with). They would have fucked up your game anyways.

I've approached guys in groups (I normally never pick more than 2 guys to help me swoop) and merged the 2 groups together, until I finally identify and isolate my target. You can merge the 2 groups as soon as you identify a brand new set, or use them as "reserves" for later use, and social proof.

Make sure you set ground rules! If there is a specific girl you like, make it known to the fellas before you open the girls.

Note: This works best in venues like Cafe, Lounges and day game. Avoid this tactic inside dance nightclubs, you risk being back stabbed by insecure mofos.

If you are in a nightclub, open a set of fun girls you are not targeting, and then use them to open the other set that has your target.

While your sitting with group 1, ask a girl what she thinks of target girls shoes, dress, accessories in the group where your target is sitting.


Later.....


"Excuse me, my girlfriend over there (from group 1 you opened earlier) loves your hairstyle/shoes/dress/necklace, but tells me that girls should never approach other girls to compliment them at nightclubs, is this true?" Does not really matter - what you use, fact is you opened, and have an "in".
point is, you've opened, and can move on - with social proof that other women are having fun with you, and can move to isolation after some minutes of being social. Girls are incredibly good at entertaining each other, chances are the subject of their conversation will be - YOU!.

All of the above has worked for me 80% of the time!

[speakeasy]

@Armanid. Me and one of my boys went out to a bar last night. We were chatting and having a few brews. Then this cool, upbeat dude came out of nowhere and introduced himself. He was out gaming solo that night and pretty much wanted us to join him. So now there were 3 of us opening up 3 and 4 sets. We were glad to have him there since he brought a good energy to our clique. So yeah, that's a good idea if you're rolling out solo is look for some dudes you might click with and then team up with them to open sets. I took the dudes number and we'll be hitting the field tonight too.

@Willy Wonka. It's hilarious when guys boast about getting numbers. Fuck numbers. They're useless. That's what I'm finding and that's what I notice when I see my boys get them. Girls think nothing of giving their number out if it's a cell. They usually don't even answer if they don't recognize the number and they rarely return calls unless you've built up a connection. When I say fuck numbers, I don't mean don't ask her for a number. When I roll out now, my main goal is the build a connection with a girl and vibe with her. If you don't get that, she's not calling you back. One of my wings, he's good at opening, but not good at vibing and building connections, he still has work in that area. So he gets a lot of numbers, yet a small callback rate. If I'm in a set, I don't even ask for the number unless I had a good connection. Because number one, if I didn't build a connection right there, then chances are there's probably not enough mutual interest and I don't know what I'd talk about on the phone that I didn't talk about in person. So my general feeling is to make building a connection my main goal, and then the number comes naturally as an extension of that. Doing it the other way around, getting the number, then hoping to build a connection after I don't think is going to work because she probably won't even call back. Without the connection, you're just another horndog trying to get in her panties. Which may work if you're her exact physical type. But if not..

[kingkong]

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Fuck numbers. They're useless.

Yeah, guys are going around collecting numbers like confetti. You're not there to get numbers. You're there to find a girl who *wants* to give you her number. That will only be a fraction of the girls you talk to.

I have a 100% first date rate from phone numbers. Never been flaked on. I'm sure that's mostly a statement about my not being aggressive enough, but my point stands that numbers aren't useless, but you're missing the point if you're "going for" numbers.

[thegmanifesto]

"I feel like one way to counteract this would be to isolate them and spend more time with them, but how to do that when she's with her friends and I have no wing to take her friends off of her?"

Smoke a cigarette with her.

Greatest isolation move ever.

[BostonBMW]

(03-21-2010 12:08 PM)kingkong Wrote:  

Quote:

Fuck numbers. They're useless.

Yeah, guys are going around collecting numbers like confetti. You're not there to get numbers. You're there to find a girl who *wants* to give you her number. That will only be a fraction of the girls you talk to.

I have a 100% first date rate from phone numbers. Never been flaked on. I'm sure that's mostly a statement about my not being aggressive enough, but my point stands that numbers aren't useless, but you're missing the point if you're "going for" numbers.

Good point on numbers.

I don't know if I have 100% date rate from numbers but it's still pretty high, mostly because I really like to engage the girl in conversation and depending on her vibe and how I feel about her, I may or may not for her number.

You know the best part about of this? The looks on the faces of the girls who expect me to ask for their digits. I say whats the point when you're not interested/not going to call? At least I'm being more upfront about my deal.