[OGNorCal707]

(11-09-2012 02:23 PM)Adam Michaels Wrote:  

I feel bad for G Manifesto.

He comes on here and drops Gold and this is how you repay him? If we start a poll, I feel atleast 95% of members would say their GAME had a NET INCREASE from G's writing.

He shouldnt have to meet anyone. If you dont think he's real, dont use his DATA SHEETS to plan your trips or use any of his game tips. Me? This is a free ONLINE forum. If you meet someone in person, that should just be bonus points to their credability. But really, who cares?


I know I sound like a fanboy, but G Manifesto is an OG around here. Real or Fake, the man has been preaching High Quality Game for years now. I dont ever need to see him. All I know is that when I heed his advice, I can see the benefit to my game. As long as he is helping tighten up your game, who cares if he's even real? We need to focus on the lessons G brings to the table, but not on G himself.

You gotta respect and listen to the OG's in the game. They might be crass, but you gotta take the good with the bad. When G Manifesto starts to bring a NEGATIVE NET VALUE to the forum, then he needs to quiet down, start meeting people, and not "make fun of" other guys.

But until then, Can He Live?

I've gotten good inner game from the G-Manifesto, but I don't know how his game advice is ground breaking, sure it's solid, but asking girls for a lighter or cigarette? I was pulling that shit back in high school, before I had any clue what game was, to me that's kind of common sense. You see a cute girl smoking a cigarette by herself, it's only logical to ask her for a light/smoke if you want to talk to her.

Oh yeah and suiting up, that's good advice, but it simply boils down to "dressing well", again not amazing revelation. Suit game is most likely legit if you are over 25 and have the congruent personality and lifestyle to pull it off, if you're a 22 year old at a college dive bar, people will most likely think you're a douche.

Am I trying to hate on the G-Manifesto with this post, or talk shit? No, like I said I've gotten some nuggets of game from the guy, especially when it comes to having "ice running through your veins", inner game style. But, a lot of the guys' "outer game" advice is pretty obvious, or not really applicable to a younger guy lacking in the bankroll dept.

[Duke Castile]

Jesus Christ....

Guys, this is absurd. I'd like to meet G and all the other LA guys if they're willing. I was just in Santa Monica for 4 days but didn't reach out because I was with a girl.

G, I know you understand the persona you've portrayed on here and I know you understand the old school notion of being vouched for. Whether your credibility has been questioned based on fairness, legitimate concerns, or flat out hater-beta-punkass jealousy, the fact is, it has been. It's up to you to decide whether the forum has enough value for you to end these threads. You have just said you'd like to meet up with some of the guys here so there should be a moratorium on all the complaining.

I've never read your blog but I've always found you to be positive, helpful, and cool. Because I have hung out with people like the persona you have, I find that you are believable. Because I have hung out with people like Mechanico, I find him to be believable.

Anyway, I like westcoast's proposal.

Which reminds me, Westcoast, I need some help picking out a jacket!

[Basil Ransom]

Do people like the G exist in real life? Yes. Is G one of them? Maybe, I wouldn't know.

He has my respect , if only because his lyrics are fresh. And his text is consistently flawless - no typos, proper punctuation, perfect spelling. In an online forum, that's the equivalent of a custom suit - it shows class, character and consideration for your fellow man.

I haven't looked at his data much, but I will. I will say that had I listened to the G, I would not have blown a year living in a certain 'weesh' part of town, a town that is commonly (but falsely) held up as some party-pussy paradise.

[Alpha Hunter Zero]

This is starting to feel like a Clash of The Titans movie. . If no one cant or wont meet up with G Manifesto, then may I suggest a few short simple skype sessions with members of his choosing. Maybe throw in the closet with RVF written somewhere as well. At least that way a few members will know what the dude actually looks like.

[WestCoast]

"Anyway, I like westcoast's proposal.

Which reminds me, Westcoast, I need some help picking out a jacket!"

Thanks.

You can shoot me a PM of yourself, cut out face if you want and just give me your eye color. I'll help you out.

1. Fit
2. Color
3. Venue
4. Price

Pretty much the four rules.

[lush1]

I'm a noob so my opinion don't count for shit, but I feel it enables to offer me a fresh perspective. There was a thread on Spanish girls and it had the potential to be a solid source of info, however G turned up and it just turned into 3 pages of arguing over irrelevancies, killing the thread.

People preach on here about being alpha, but how alpha is it spending time trying to win a pointless argument with a stranger on the internet?

G has really inspired me as to what is out there and i will always be grateful to him for that, fiction or otherwise.

[Hencredible Casanova]

(11-09-2012 01:55 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

(11-09-2012 12:37 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

(11-09-2012 12:34 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(11-09-2012 12:22 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

(11-09-2012 12:00 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

This is not accurate. He removed them himself with the Manage Attachments feature. Anyone can delete photos they've uploaded.

Classic G red herring/straw man/ad hominem falsehood. Inflammatory and unproductive. Does nothing to obscure the fact that every other top poster has a validated identity.

I understand. You are a sensitive guy.

I keep telling you to let it go, but you can't seem to stop.

I wont be responding to you anymore.

Side note:

Am I the only one on here that got sick of this topic of conversation the 30th time it was rehashed?

Good for you. I will call out BS every time I see it. It's not getting past me.

If you are going to call out bullshit then you might as well start with yourself man. You were not taking down pictures just because of the girls but also expressing needs for privacy because of the Southern Poverty Law Center.

Be easy there little guy. I left the forum after SPLC. By then the atmosphere had gotten pretty bad. The quality of the posts had eroded and there was a lot of hating within the community. As I said, one of the last straws came around the time of SPLC when someone reached out to a CS'er I mentioned in a thread. All of this is documented by the way.

I also felt it was time for a break which many members seem to do every now and then. Around the time I had left I was a pretty active poster, like very active. It was good to take some time away and focus on other things but I still followed Roosh's blog.

If I was worried about SPLC why would I return to the forum? Why would I show up at RVF meetup? Quit trolling.

[Adam Michaels]

(11-09-2012 02:31 PM)ManAbout Wrote:  

(11-09-2012 02:23 PM)Adam Michaels Wrote:  

He shouldnt have to meet anyone. If you dont think he's real, dont use his DATA SHEETS to plan your trips or use any of his game tips.

Except when he forcefully butts himself into a thread about a location and calls all the guys in that city a bunch of losers. Then yes, he should be expected to prove himself.

Five guys in a city who have met and share the same experience, versus one imaginary figure on the internet who no one has ever seen or met. I am sorry, but if you are going to call real vouched members on this forum losers, you better have something more than "you just have to believe me, because I am the G, and I say so", to back it up.

I am not going to let some anonymous poster on the internet talk down to me without any proof of his credentials. Maybe you are fine with it, but most guys are not.

G puts himself in a situation where he invites these attacks.

I wish I saw that thread, but normally when he is making fun of guys, there is SOME truth to it. What if they guys were acting like LOSERS?

Im not condoning making fun of guys, I never do it on here, but some people need to hear the truth every once in a while. But if it was unwarranted, you could always just ignore it? But if it was derailing the thread, I understand.

I have posted things on here and people disagree or say I'm crazy, but to each his own. I'm just posting MY OPINION and what I THINK. If people want to disregard it thats fine. G normally brings a different perspective to an arguement. It might be controversial, but it might help others.

But once again, if it derails the thread and is just flaming, thats wrong. But if it is adding perspective, then he may be part right.

[WanderingSoul]

(11-09-2012 02:35 PM)Fisto Wrote:  

Jesus Christ....

Guys, this is absurd. I'd like to meet G and all the other LA guys if they're willing. I was just in Santa Monica for 4 days but didn't reach out because I was with a girl.

G, I know you understand the persona you've portrayed on here and I know you understand the old school notion of being vouched for. Whether your credibility has been questioned based on fairness, legitimate concerns, or flat out hater-beta-punkass jealousy, the fact is, it has been. It's up to you to decide whether the forum has enough value for you to end these threads. You have just said you'd like to meet up with some of the guys here so there should be a moratorium on all the complaining.

I've never read your blog but I've always found you to be positive, helpful, and cool. Because I have hung out with people like the persona you have, I find that you are believable. Because I have hung out with people like Mechanico, I find him to be believable.

Anyway, I like westcoast's proposal.

Which reminds me, Westcoast, I need some help picking out a jacket!

This is all bullshit. I was just in Vegas for 4 days and Fisto was "too hungover" to meetup. I think he was even texting me from a Google voice number.

He claims to be a fighter, but I was actually at the fights with my team, and Fisto was "out of town". Like any real fighter is going to leave Vegas during the WORLD SERIES OF FIGHTING?!? Come on now.

I secretly suspect that Fisto is a feminist secretary from the SPLC trying to work her way up the ranks. Only girls do CrossFit anyways.

[Adam Michaels]

(11-09-2012 02:33 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  

I've gotten good inner game from the G-Manifesto, but I don't know how his game advice is ground breaking, sure it's solid, but asking girls for a lighter or cigarette? I was pulling that shit back in high school, before I had any clue what game was, to me that's kind of common sense. You see a cute girl smoking a cigarette by herself, it's only logical to ask her for a light/smoke if you want to talk to her.

Oh yeah and suiting up, that's good advice, but it simply boils down to "dressing well", again not amazing revelation. Suit game is most likely legit if you are over 25 and have the congruent personality and lifestyle to pull it off, if you're a 22 year old at a college dive bar, people will most likely think you're a douche.

Am I trying to hate on the G-Manifesto with this post, or talk shit? No, like I said I've gotten some nuggets of game from the guy, especially when it comes to having "ice running through your veins", inner game style. But, a lot of the guys' "outer game" advice is pretty obvious, or not really applicable to a younger guy lacking in the bankroll dept.

I'm with you on this. If you copy any man's "outergame", its kinda corny. It needs to be congruent with who you really are.

What I get from G is that hustlers mentality. Like you said, that "Ice water in the veins". That whole "International PLayboy vibe". I might be wrong, but I thought he was the first one around here atleast to really be promoting the "Playboy" lifestyle. It seemed like everyone else was doing it on the cheap "Backpacking" style at Hostels.

Reading G has atleast opened my mind to a whole different lifestyle. I enjoy the perspective he brings, I dont follow it like the bible, but he has a lot of good lessons.

Personally, I dont smoke so if i didnt read his smoke game moves, i would have never started carrying a zippo which has led to simple swoops. I always dressed well so I just appreciate his sense of fashion. Maybe you guys from big cities think G's material is common sense, but for a lot of guys in the suburbs, its one of their only chances to get this type of information.

[ManAbout]

(11-09-2012 03:08 PM)Adam Michaels Wrote:  

I wish I saw that thread, but normally when he is making fun of guys, there is SOME truth to it. What if they guys were acting like LOSERS?

But once again, if it derails the thread and is just flaming, thats wrong. But if it is adding perspective, then he may be part right.

A guy who exists on the internet, has no business calling real vouched members who have met and shared a drink together and have had the same experience about a city, a bunch of losers. Even if there is some truth to it.

Roosh was here in Toronto, he met a lot of us, including me. If he comes to the forum after his trip and says, you know what, "Toronto guys are a bunch of losers.", I will accept his criticism, and say "Hey Roosh, what are we doing wrong?"

I am not going to accept being talked down to by an internet character who nobody has met or seen in action.

[Merenguero]

Fisto:
G Manifesto meet-up, Wynn Las Vegas, early 2013. I will personally chip in for airfare for ManAbout it attend the meet-up, although I seriously doubt that G would want to meet him. That's the best I can do.

[Adam Michaels]

(11-09-2012 03:24 PM)ManAbout Wrote:  

(11-09-2012 03:08 PM)Adam Michaels Wrote:  

I wish I saw that thread, but normally when he is making fun of guys, there is SOME truth to it. What if they guys were acting like LOSERS?

But once again, if it derails the thread and is just flaming, thats wrong. But if it is adding perspective, then he may be part right.

A guy who exists on the internet, has no business calling real vouched members who have met and shared a drink together and have had the same experience about a city, a bunch of losers. Even if there is some truth to it.

Roosh was here in Toronto, he met a lot of us, including me. If he comes to the forum after his trip and says, you know what, "Toronto guys are a bunch of losers.", I will accept his criticism, and say "Hey Roosh, what are we doing wrong?"

I am not going to accept being talked down to by an internet character who nobody has met or seen in action.

I understand what your saying.

But for me, I just care about what gives results. "Tough love" spurred me on to lose 20 lbs and get in great shape. It was on a different forum and someone mentioned how I was just chubby and lazy. I coulda got mad, but i thought about what they said, found some truth in it, and flipped things around.

If he was just flaming and hating for no reason, then thats not cool at all. But if there is some truth to it, that should be all that matters.

I get where your coming from though. But if what he says helps your situation, it might be mean and he might "talk down" on you, but maybe thats what you need to hear. You said yourself that their was some truth in it.

If you guys only want advice from "vouched" members, why not start emailing or calling each other? If I post here, I just want any information that is going to help my cause. I dont care if the person is "real" or "fake". If I read what they say and it can help my current situation, I dont care who or how they said it, I'm gonna listen.

Quote:

I am not going to accept being talked down to by an internet character who nobody has met or seen in action.

Then ignore him. You dont have to respond. I dont care if anyone calls me a loser. Its on THE INTERNET lol. Im just here to get good data and try to talk to like minded guys. I dont think its possible for me to get upset ON THE INTERNET.

[Duke Castile]

(11-09-2012 03:27 PM)Merenguero Wrote:  

Fisto:
G Manifesto meet-up, Wynn Las Vegas, early 2013. I will personally chip in for airfare for ManAbout it attend the meet-up, although I seriously doubt that G would want to meet him. That's the best I can do.

It's up to him. I'm down.

[MikeCF]

(11-09-2012 07:06 AM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

Exactly. Completely reasonable for anyone to call G out for that specific reason. It would be disingenuous for him to act like he's not aware of that considering how much time he spends on the forum, as well as the content of his posts. Most of the high volume data posters have walked the walk in this regard (Mixx, Roosh, myself, InternationalSwagger, and the list goes on).

He's been "called out" a dozen times. It gets fucking old.

By now calling out G is a form of trolling.

Will you and others stop raising the same (tired) "let's call out G" trolling?

That'd do quite a lot to calm things down.

[MikeCF]

(11-09-2012 12:00 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Quote:

This is coming from the guy who posted some pictures of himself on here then scurried to Roosh to have them removed.

This is not accurate. He removed them himself with the Manage Attachments feature. Anyone can delete photos they've uploaded.

He asked you to remove the photos.

He said it was because of all the Sothern Poverty Law Center drama.

You then told him how to do it.

So he did in fact scurry to you for protection.

[MikeCF]

I may have actually met G.

I would certainly never come to the board to say he's real. I wouldn't write up a "data sheet" on our man date.

That's just feeding into the girls' needs for drama.

"Just because you don't know who he is doesn't mean I don't."

[Adam Michaels]

(11-09-2012 03:41 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

(11-09-2012 07:06 AM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

Exactly. Completely reasonable for anyone to call G out for that specific reason. It would be disingenuous for him to act like he's not aware of that considering how much time he spends on the forum, as well as the content of his posts. Most of the high volume data posters have walked the walk in this regard (Mixx, Roosh, myself, InternationalSwagger, and the list goes on).

He's been "called out" a dozen times. It gets fucking old.

By now calling out G is a form of trolling.

Will you and others stop raising the same (tired) "let's call out G" trolling?

That'd do quite a lot to calm things down.

EXACTLY!

This is getting rediculous.

Who cares? This is a FREE INTERNET FORUM. No one pays dues. If you dont think G is real, just dont take any advice from his DATA SHEETS or any GAME TIPS. If he "attacks" you in a thread, just ignore it.

This is the INTERNET. I never even ran to the Principals office in Elementary School, let alone as a Grown up on the internet. LOL if you dont think someone is real, just ignore them. This is the internet. We got grown men getting upset looking at text on a computer screen.

[presidentcarter]

It's self-perpetuating. G being controversial just creates more controversy. Nothing new to see here.

[Spike]

G,

This problem is not going away by it self. Maybe in a few days things will calm down but will flare up in a few months and will keep flaring up until this is resolved. It reminds me of a thing Roosh said in my book thread. It was about my reluctance to have my book edited by a pro instead of doing everything myself.

He said and I quote:
"That's like a musician saying "I want you to judge the song based on the lyrics, not the melody."
You're new to this, so you get a small pass, but your resistance to making your work the best it can be is strange."

Although I was dead broke at the moment and was still a bit hesitant to spend more money on the project (I already spend hundreds of dollars on other book things), his words kept echoing in my mind in the following days/week and I finally saw how dumb I was to think I could deliver a good book when my English is just not good enough.
I followed his advice (helped by Rionomad's advice and also some others) and although it cost me dearly, the result is a book that's 10 times better than before.

Not to derail this thread but what i'm trying to say is: For you to solve this issue, it is necessary to meet at least one high ranking member on this forum. Doesn't have to be anything fancy or special but it would take the doubts away from many posters here and it would do wonders to your credibility. Your resistance to make an effort to meet at least one credible poster is strange.

For the record, I do believe you're a G but I'm also thinking you're making it hard on yourself for no reason. Unless you're famous (and I mean that a great deal of people would instantly recognize you, not local famous) there's no reason to not meet up.

[Duke Castile]

(11-09-2012 03:50 PM)Adam Michaels Wrote:  

(11-09-2012 03:41 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

(11-09-2012 07:06 AM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

Exactly. Completely reasonable for anyone to call G out for that specific reason. It would be disingenuous for him to act like he's not aware of that considering how much time he spends on the forum, as well as the content of his posts. Most of the high volume data posters have walked the walk in this regard (Mixx, Roosh, myself, InternationalSwagger, and the list goes on).

He's been "called out" a dozen times. It gets fucking old.

By now calling out G is a form of trolling.

Will you and others stop raising the same (tired) "let's call out G" trolling?

That'd do quite a lot to calm things down.

EXACTLY!

This is getting rediculous.

Who cares? This is a FREE INTERNET FORUM. No one pays dues. If you dont think G is real, just dont take any advice from his DATA SHEETS or any GAME TIPS. If he "attacks" you in a thread, just ignore it.

This is the INTERNET. I never even ran to the Principals office in Elementary School, let alone as a Grown up on the internet. LOL if you dont think someone is real, just ignore them. This is the internet. We got grown men getting upset looking at text on a computer screen.

That goes both ways, If G doesn't like being called out, he can choose to ignore someone or retaliate and risk being banned. I hope he chooses to settle this nonsense.

[Aliblahba]

I believe forum has simply outgrown the Gmanifesto. When were kids, we clung to fictional heroes like Superman, Ironman, ect. But as we grew into adulthood, we realized those characters weren't real, and we started to adopt new ones, real life men that wrote autobiographies even. Dan Daly, Winston Churchhill, Abraham Lincoln, ect. These personas were normal men who did extraordinary things. It gives us hope that we might find the courage to do the same.

As the forum has matured to real life venues, I think more are now looking for real people to relate to, as inspiration. "I am a normal guy that found a way to sleep with 100 women. Let me take you a club and school you."

I don't blame you guys for holding onto the belief of G. I still love Santa Clause, but don't expect him to come down my chimney anytime soon.

[MikeCF]

If G and I met, would the haters shut up?

Never. They'd find more reason to hate.

If G and I were drinking green tea on our way to Wild Card Boxing, I'd never post it to the forum.

Haters are always gonna hate.

[Kona]

(11-09-2012 03:27 PM)Merenguero Wrote:  

Fisto:
G Manifesto meet-up, Wynn Las Vegas, early 2013. I will personally chip in for airfare for ManAbout it attend the meet-up, although I seriously doubt that G would want to meet him. That's the best I can do.

You should also chip in for some airfare to get me out there.

Roosh knows what I look like: http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-16025.html so there won't be any debate over who's real or not.

And you should buy Ali-b a bus ticket. Let's make a party out of this.

Aloha!

[Hencredible Casanova]

(11-09-2012 03:46 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

(11-09-2012 12:00 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Quote:

This is coming from the guy who posted some pictures of himself on here then scurried to Roosh to have them removed.

This is not accurate. He removed them himself with the Manage Attachments feature. Anyone can delete photos they've uploaded.

He asked you to remove the photos.

He said it was because of all the Sothern Poverty Law Center drama.

You then told him how to do it.

So he did in fact scurry to you for protection.

Really. So you are a "grown man" playing cheerleader for GManifesto? What do you get out of that? Just curious.