The Failed Pull Thread: Why You Didn't Get Laid And How You'd Do It Differently
11-04-2012, 12:32 PM
One of the primary reasons you're not getting as many notches as possible is because you're letting girls who want to fuck you slip through your hands.
To drive the point home, I've selected a new mascot. Instead of the weasel, who uses cunning wiles to get the lay, another role model is in order: the pit bull. Pit bulls are widely feared for their tendency to bite and not let go. In one case brought before an Ohio court, a pit bull had been hanging on a cable by clenching his jaw on it, even after being tranquilized.
Babes love pit bulls
The appropriate time for this game is after you are sure she likes you. Typically, she wants to bang you, but you aren't in a location where you can bang, she has her friends in tow, OR she still has some other events on the agenda that night that must happen before she can go to bed with you. She may even offer her number at this point, unprompted, in the hopes of meeting up again, when the interaction looks like it's going to end soon.
Take after the pit bull, and lock on to the girl until you have penetrated her or she leaves. This may mean staying with her to ungodly hours. If she offers to meet up later, refuse and escalate. See if she's hanging out with friends at her place, or invite her to a non-existent after-party at your place. Offer to walk her in the park and then bang her in an alley. Don't be afraid to follow her at times, or camp out waiting for her in a public spot where you know she'll pass by (smoking is a good excuse for loitering). If you're a novice, there's a strong likelihood of coming off as creepy, because you make it too obvious. But the point is that she's so flakey, that if your penis magically ends up in her vagina, she won't really mind. It's just getting there is the issue. Shoutout to forum member Slubu for driving the theme of this thread home to me.
To execute properly, you also need some experience to know when a girl has momentarily walked away but will still bang you, and when she has rejected you. You also need to do it in a smooth way where it appears like she is just of many possible plans for your night. Unlike you, girls don't feel much pain or frustration when they lose the chance to go home with a guy, unless he's much much higher value. So they won't protest if you or she has to leave at some point. They rationalize it as 'it just wasn't meant to be then.'
The great thing about this is it's fairly clear what steps you must take to get more notches, and the benefits are immediate. Other aspects of the game are important, but the route forward for them isn't clear, or not immediate.
An effective demonstration of pit bull game used on a typical American woman:
The reason for pit bull game is not just so you get the lay THAT night, but also because you NEVER WILL if you DON'T bang her then. If every girl who would bang us would also agree to meet up again if you hadn't banged her, then this tenacity wouldn't be that important. But girls nowadays are extremely flaky, and you need to bang them to get your chances of seeing them meaningfully above zero. So YOU must take responsibility, and seize the day. There is never a perfect moment. You must create it through sheer will and persistence. To put it simply:
Force the moment.
(Don't force her - that would be rape.)
I'll start with my story from a week ago.
What happened: I brought a prospect and her two friends home, to my non-existent 'after-party.' We hung out outdoors, and I slipped away with my girl for a moment, a few feet away. Fingered her, and she told me she'd send her friends home in a cab and stay with me. She regroups with her friends privately for a moment, then we all resume hanging out. The cab takes awhile to come. She ends up getting in the cab when it arrives - I had stupidly believed she'd stay. She had apparently agreed with her friends a half hour before to leave with them. Because they were having brunch tomorrow. Cockblocked by motherfucking brunch.
Since then, we've texted, but she stopped responding. Odds are, I won't get to see her again. Because I didn't make the bang happen. Oh, and for the 'Not all women are like that' crowd, this chick is a grad student doing research. Any American girl can be this flaky. I thought we had a pretty good convo, age low-mid 20's. In my experience, night game phone numbers from American girls under the age of 28 are almost always worthless.
What I could've done to get the lay: I should have either:
1. Snuck the girl into my house on some dumb pretext while her friends chilled outside (this girl was very DTF, no hours of last minute resistance).
2. Banged her in the streets while I slipped away outside. I could've looped around my house sort of and re-entered it with her while her friends wouldn't know we were back.
3. Ordered an Uber cab immediately after the fingering, to preserve the momentum. (Uber cabs are much quicker to arrive - I was just being a cheap bastard and figured I was going to pay for the cab if I used Uber.)
4. Fingered her more thoroughly, to make her more likely to stay.
5. Don't make it easy for her friends to conspire, so you know what's up. Don't get too pushy and nosy though. On a previous lay, I recall grabbing a girl's phone and turning it off, defusing the cockblock - it was her friend who came out with her calling.
Notice, these are pretty concrete, simple actions I could have taken to get the lay. No mental masturbation or keyboard jockeying.
General takeaway lessons:
1. Fuck her when you have the chance, even when the conditions are not optimal. Force the moment.
2. Don't believe what the girl says. Minimize her opportunities to jump ship. Don't accept a phone number unless it's absolutely clear you can't get anything more (although I often take numbers when I know I'll get separated from a girl, eg she goes to the bathroom, but she wants to continue hanging out that night. I did this in the story mentioned.)
I recommend the template below. Hit reply and erase the quote tags, and use the template below for maximum speed. Try to minimize extraneous information. If there was absolutely no chance of getting the lay, then it doesn't belong in the thread. Eg, I had a shitty first date recently where I'm confident I did everything I could to get the lay, so it's not a scenario worth puzzling over.
What happened:
What I could've done to get the lay:
General takeaway lessons:
To drive the point home, I've selected a new mascot. Instead of the weasel, who uses cunning wiles to get the lay, another role model is in order: the pit bull. Pit bulls are widely feared for their tendency to bite and not let go. In one case brought before an Ohio court, a pit bull had been hanging on a cable by clenching his jaw on it, even after being tranquilized.
Babes love pit bulls
The appropriate time for this game is after you are sure she likes you. Typically, she wants to bang you, but you aren't in a location where you can bang, she has her friends in tow, OR she still has some other events on the agenda that night that must happen before she can go to bed with you. She may even offer her number at this point, unprompted, in the hopes of meeting up again, when the interaction looks like it's going to end soon.
Take after the pit bull, and lock on to the girl until you have penetrated her or she leaves. This may mean staying with her to ungodly hours. If she offers to meet up later, refuse and escalate. See if she's hanging out with friends at her place, or invite her to a non-existent after-party at your place. Offer to walk her in the park and then bang her in an alley. Don't be afraid to follow her at times, or camp out waiting for her in a public spot where you know she'll pass by (smoking is a good excuse for loitering). If you're a novice, there's a strong likelihood of coming off as creepy, because you make it too obvious. But the point is that she's so flakey, that if your penis magically ends up in her vagina, she won't really mind. It's just getting there is the issue. Shoutout to forum member Slubu for driving the theme of this thread home to me.
To execute properly, you also need some experience to know when a girl has momentarily walked away but will still bang you, and when she has rejected you. You also need to do it in a smooth way where it appears like she is just of many possible plans for your night. Unlike you, girls don't feel much pain or frustration when they lose the chance to go home with a guy, unless he's much much higher value. So they won't protest if you or she has to leave at some point. They rationalize it as 'it just wasn't meant to be then.'
The great thing about this is it's fairly clear what steps you must take to get more notches, and the benefits are immediate. Other aspects of the game are important, but the route forward for them isn't clear, or not immediate.
An effective demonstration of pit bull game used on a typical American woman:
The reason for pit bull game is not just so you get the lay THAT night, but also because you NEVER WILL if you DON'T bang her then. If every girl who would bang us would also agree to meet up again if you hadn't banged her, then this tenacity wouldn't be that important. But girls nowadays are extremely flaky, and you need to bang them to get your chances of seeing them meaningfully above zero. So YOU must take responsibility, and seize the day. There is never a perfect moment. You must create it through sheer will and persistence. To put it simply:
Force the moment.
(Don't force her - that would be rape.)
I'll start with my story from a week ago.
What happened: I brought a prospect and her two friends home, to my non-existent 'after-party.' We hung out outdoors, and I slipped away with my girl for a moment, a few feet away. Fingered her, and she told me she'd send her friends home in a cab and stay with me. She regroups with her friends privately for a moment, then we all resume hanging out. The cab takes awhile to come. She ends up getting in the cab when it arrives - I had stupidly believed she'd stay. She had apparently agreed with her friends a half hour before to leave with them. Because they were having brunch tomorrow. Cockblocked by motherfucking brunch.
Since then, we've texted, but she stopped responding. Odds are, I won't get to see her again. Because I didn't make the bang happen. Oh, and for the 'Not all women are like that' crowd, this chick is a grad student doing research. Any American girl can be this flaky. I thought we had a pretty good convo, age low-mid 20's. In my experience, night game phone numbers from American girls under the age of 28 are almost always worthless.
What I could've done to get the lay: I should have either:
1. Snuck the girl into my house on some dumb pretext while her friends chilled outside (this girl was very DTF, no hours of last minute resistance).
2. Banged her in the streets while I slipped away outside. I could've looped around my house sort of and re-entered it with her while her friends wouldn't know we were back.
3. Ordered an Uber cab immediately after the fingering, to preserve the momentum. (Uber cabs are much quicker to arrive - I was just being a cheap bastard and figured I was going to pay for the cab if I used Uber.)
4. Fingered her more thoroughly, to make her more likely to stay.
5. Don't make it easy for her friends to conspire, so you know what's up. Don't get too pushy and nosy though. On a previous lay, I recall grabbing a girl's phone and turning it off, defusing the cockblock - it was her friend who came out with her calling.
Notice, these are pretty concrete, simple actions I could have taken to get the lay. No mental masturbation or keyboard jockeying.
General takeaway lessons:
1. Fuck her when you have the chance, even when the conditions are not optimal. Force the moment.
2. Don't believe what the girl says. Minimize her opportunities to jump ship. Don't accept a phone number unless it's absolutely clear you can't get anything more (although I often take numbers when I know I'll get separated from a girl, eg she goes to the bathroom, but she wants to continue hanging out that night. I did this in the story mentioned.)
I recommend the template below. Hit reply and erase the quote tags, and use the template below for maximum speed. Try to minimize extraneous information. If there was absolutely no chance of getting the lay, then it doesn't belong in the thread. Eg, I had a shitty first date recently where I'm confident I did everything I could to get the lay, so it's not a scenario worth puzzling over.
What happened:
What I could've done to get the lay:
General takeaway lessons: