[Basil Ransom]

One of the primary reasons you're not getting as many notches as possible is because you're letting girls who want to fuck you slip through your hands.

To drive the point home, I've selected a new mascot. Instead of the weasel, who uses cunning wiles to get the lay, another role model is in order: the pit bull. Pit bulls are widely feared for their tendency to bite and not let go. In one case brought before an Ohio court, a pit bull had been hanging on a cable by clenching his jaw on it, even after being tranquilized.




Babes love pit bulls






The appropriate time for this game is after you are sure she likes you. Typically, she wants to bang you, but you aren't in a location where you can bang, she has her friends in tow, OR she still has some other events on the agenda that night that must happen before she can go to bed with you. She may even offer her number at this point, unprompted, in the hopes of meeting up again, when the interaction looks like it's going to end soon.

Take after the pit bull, and lock on to the girl until you have penetrated her or she leaves. This may mean staying with her to ungodly hours. If she offers to meet up later, refuse and escalate. See if she's hanging out with friends at her place, or invite her to a non-existent after-party at your place. Offer to walk her in the park and then bang her in an alley. Don't be afraid to follow her at times, or camp out waiting for her in a public spot where you know she'll pass by (smoking is a good excuse for loitering). If you're a novice, there's a strong likelihood of coming off as creepy, because you make it too obvious. But the point is that she's so flakey, that if your penis magically ends up in her vagina, she won't really mind. It's just getting there is the issue. Shoutout to forum member Slubu for driving the theme of this thread home to me.

To execute properly, you also need some experience to know when a girl has momentarily walked away but will still bang you, and when she has rejected you. You also need to do it in a smooth way where it appears like she is just of many possible plans for your night. Unlike you, girls don't feel much pain or frustration when they lose the chance to go home with a guy, unless he's much much higher value. So they won't protest if you or she has to leave at some point. They rationalize it as 'it just wasn't meant to be then.'

The great thing about this is it's fairly clear what steps you must take to get more notches, and the benefits are immediate. Other aspects of the game are important, but the route forward for them isn't clear, or not immediate.



An effective demonstration of pit bull game used on a typical American woman:







The reason for pit bull game is not just so you get the lay THAT night, but also because you NEVER WILL if you DON'T bang her then. If every girl who would bang us would also agree to meet up again if you hadn't banged her, then this tenacity wouldn't be that important. But girls nowadays are extremely flaky, and you need to bang them to get your chances of seeing them meaningfully above zero. So YOU must take responsibility, and seize the day. There is never a perfect moment. You must create it through sheer will and persistence. To put it simply:

Force the moment.

(Don't force her - that would be rape.)



I'll start with my story from a week ago.

What happened: I brought a prospect and her two friends home, to my non-existent 'after-party.' We hung out outdoors, and I slipped away with my girl for a moment, a few feet away. Fingered her, and she told me she'd send her friends home in a cab and stay with me. She regroups with her friends privately for a moment, then we all resume hanging out. The cab takes awhile to come. She ends up getting in the cab when it arrives - I had stupidly believed she'd stay. She had apparently agreed with her friends a half hour before to leave with them. Because they were having brunch tomorrow. Cockblocked by motherfucking brunch.

Since then, we've texted, but she stopped responding. Odds are, I won't get to see her again. Because I didn't make the bang happen. Oh, and for the 'Not all women are like that' crowd, this chick is a grad student doing research. Any American girl can be this flaky. I thought we had a pretty good convo, age low-mid 20's. In my experience, night game phone numbers from American girls under the age of 28 are almost always worthless.


What I could've done to get the lay: I should have either:

1. Snuck the girl into my house on some dumb pretext while her friends chilled outside (this girl was very DTF, no hours of last minute resistance).
2. Banged her in the streets while I slipped away outside. I could've looped around my house sort of and re-entered it with her while her friends wouldn't know we were back.
3. Ordered an Uber cab immediately after the fingering, to preserve the momentum. (Uber cabs are much quicker to arrive - I was just being a cheap bastard and figured I was going to pay for the cab if I used Uber.)
4. Fingered her more thoroughly, to make her more likely to stay.
5. Don't make it easy for her friends to conspire, so you know what's up. Don't get too pushy and nosy though. On a previous lay, I recall grabbing a girl's phone and turning it off, defusing the cockblock - it was her friend who came out with her calling.

Notice, these are pretty concrete, simple actions I could have taken to get the lay. No mental masturbation or keyboard jockeying.

General takeaway lessons:

1. Fuck her when you have the chance, even when the conditions are not optimal. Force the moment.

2. Don't believe what the girl says. Minimize her opportunities to jump ship. Don't accept a phone number unless it's absolutely clear you can't get anything more (although I often take numbers when I know I'll get separated from a girl, eg she goes to the bathroom, but she wants to continue hanging out that night. I did this in the story mentioned.)

I recommend the template below. Hit reply and erase the quote tags, and use the template below for maximum speed. Try to minimize extraneous information. If there was absolutely no chance of getting the lay, then it doesn't belong in the thread. Eg, I had a shitty first date recently where I'm confident I did everything I could to get the lay, so it's not a scenario worth puzzling over.

What happened:


What I could've done to get the lay:


General takeaway lessons:

[R Smoov]

I'm glad I'm on this forum brah. My last night was like, awesome.

So here's what I think about the pitbull game.

I feel that as women evolve, we also have to evolve as men. Sure girls can be attention whores, and we gotta have that pitbull mentality to keep them from fucking the other guy, us RVF guys gotta shit also in a team method.

We spit hard game like pitbulls, but work together in life as a basketball team.

You know, a sports team is the best way to describe what we are, and what we can become if combine our specific game, businesses and our lifestyles together. We all want money and hoes and we would like to show them how awesome life can be if they just accept that we're awesome people.

I've seen it on my campus man. So many football players that are cool with me, while still chilling with their main football group. And I KNOW these guys pull hoes while also getting schoolwork, getting fit, and just being cool as hell. I remember last year one of them was fucking a shawty I was too beta to get at. But hey, he cuts my hair and he's my homie so its no love lost!

We're a sports team.

Look at them basketball players on TV. They all do the same thing. They do business together by playing basketball. In this world, they know thats their talent. They know that as a team, they need to look awesome as fuck so they can get the most benefits in all aspects of society. Business, women, fame, money all that.

What I'm saying is. As players on a team scale, we have to think like sports teams. Let's be alpha as hell and do cool shit, while keeping fit, making money and getting girls, while thinking about cool shit.

We're RVF members, but we're strong as pitbulls, slick as weasels and cooperative like a sports team.

That was just my thoughts on that game mentality.

NOW FOR THE STORY OF LAST NIGHT AND HOW I FUCKED UP GETTING MY LAY AND MY PHONE IT HAS TO BE ON THE NEXT POST. ITS REALLY FUNNY AND THEN ITS NOT FUNNY

[chochemonger1]

(11-04-2012 12:32 PM)basilransom Wrote:  

One of the primary reasons you're not getting as many notches as possible is because you're letting girls who want to fuck you slip through your hands.

To drive the point home, I've selected a new mascot. Instead of the weasel, who uses cunning wiles to get the lay, another role model is in order: the pit bull. Pit bulls are widely feared for their tendency to bite and not let go. In one case brought before an Ohio court, a pit bull had been hanging on a cable by clenching his jaw on it, even after being tranquilized.




Babes love pit bulls






The appropriate time for this game is after you are sure she likes you. Typically, she wants to bang you, but you aren't in a location where you can bang, she has her friends in tow, OR she still has some other events on the agenda that night that must happen before she can go to bed with you. She may even offer her number at this point, unprompted, in the hopes of meeting up again, when the interaction looks like it's going to end soon.

Take after the pit bull, and lock on to the girl until you have penetrated her or she leaves. This may mean staying with her to ungodly hours. If she offers to meet up later, refuse and escalate. See if she's hanging out with friends at her place, or invite her to a non-existent after-party at your place. Offer to walk her in the park and then bang her in an alley. Don't be afraid to follow her at times, or camp out waiting for her in a public spot where you know she'll pass by (smoking is a good excuse for loitering). If you're a novice, there's a strong likelihood of coming off as creepy, because you make it too obvious. But the point is that she's so flakey, that if your penis magically ends up in her vagina, she won't really mind. It's just getting there is the issue. Shoutout to forum member Slubu for driving the theme of this thread home to me.

To execute properly, you also need some experience to know when a girl has momentarily walked away but will still bang you, and when she has rejected you. You also need to do it in a smooth way where it appears like she is just of many possible plans for your night. Unlike you, girls don't feel much pain or frustration when they lose the chance to go home with a guy, unless he's much much higher value. So they won't protest if you or she has to leave at some point. They rationalize it as 'it just wasn't meant to be then.'

The great thing about this is it's fairly clear what steps you must take to get more notches, and the benefits are immediate. Other aspects of the game are important, but the route forward for them isn't clear, or not immediate.



An effective demonstration of pit bull game used on a typical American woman:







The reason for pit bull game is not just so you get the lay THAT night, but also because you NEVER WILL if you DON'T bang her then. If every girl who would bang us would also agree to meet up again if you hadn't banged her, then this tenacity wouldn't be that important. But girls nowadays are extremely flaky, and you need to bang them to get your chances of seeing them meaningfully above zero. So YOU must take responsibility, and seize the day. There is never a perfect moment. You must create it through sheer will and persistence. To put it simply:

Force the moment.

(Don't force her - that would be rape.)



I'll start with my story from a week ago.

What happened: I brought a prospect and her two friends home, to my non-existent 'after-party.' We hung out outdoors, and I slipped away with my girl for a moment, a few feet away. Fingered her, and she told me she'd send her friends home in a cab and stay with me. She regroups with her friends privately for a moment, then we all resume hanging out. The cab takes awhile to come. She ends up getting in the cab when it arrives - I had stupidly believed she'd stay. She had apparently agreed with her friends a half hour before to leave with them. Because they were having brunch tomorrow. Cockblocked by motherfucking brunch.

Since then, we've texted, but she stopped responding. Odds are, I won't get to see her again. Because I didn't make the bang happen. Oh, and for the 'Not all women are like that' crowd, this chick is a grad student doing research. Any American girl can be this flaky. I thought we had a pretty good convo, age low-mid 20's. In my experience, night game phone numbers from American girls under the age of 28 are almost always worthless.


What I could've done to get the lay: I should have either:

1. Snuck the girl into my house on some dumb pretext while her friends chilled outside (this girl was very DTF, no hours of last minute resistance).
2. Banged her in the streets while I slipped away outside. I could've looped around my house sort of and re-entered it with her while her friends wouldn't know we were back.
3. Ordered an Uber cab immediately after the fingering, to preserve the momentum. (Uber cabs are much quicker to arrive - I was just being a cheap bastard and figured I was going to pay for the cab if I used Uber.)
4. Fingered her more thoroughly, to make her more likely to stay.
5. Don't make it easy for her friends to conspire, so you know what's up. Don't get too pushy and nosy though. On a previous lay, I recall grabbing a girl's phone and turning it off, defusing the cockblock - it was her friend who came out with her calling.

Notice, these are pretty concrete, simple actions I could have taken to get the lay. No mental masturbation or keyboard jockeying.

General takeaway lessons:

1. Fuck her when you have the chance, even when the conditions are not optimal. Force the moment.

2. Don't believe what the girl says. Minimize her opportunities to jump ship. Don't accept a phone number unless it's absolutely clear you can't get anything more (although I often take numbers when I know I'll get separated from a girl, eg she goes to the bathroom, but she wants to continue hanging out that night. I did this in the story mentioned.)

I recommend the template below. Hit reply and erase the quote tags, and use the template below for maximum speed. Try to minimize extraneous information. If there was absolutely no chance of getting the lay, then it doesn't belong in the thread. Eg, I had a shitty first date recently where I'm confident I did everything I could to get the lay, so it's not a scenario worth puzzling over.

What happened:


What I could've done to get the lay:


General takeaway lessons:

Good points and they apply even more where women are slutty. Case in point......Manaus, Brazil.
Yesterday met a 20 yr old cutie at the mall at night and she was going to a party with her friends afterwards. Was too tired to go because I had banged an 18 yr old an hour before. She seemed so into me and we kissed fast...but I told her better to meet tomorrow(said I had to make important calls to the US) and she agreed. Called her today and she didnt answer. Lost the bang for sure.

[R Smoov]

I was chatting with some of my RVF homies about how I fucked up last night. But still had a great ass time. You're still right Basil, as a player on the solo you need that pitbull mentality. So here it goes.
HOW I MISSED A 3 POINT PUSSY SHOT
So its this girl, a lil chubby was a wizard. So I spit a few hot openers at her.
"Hey what are you for Halloween a wizard?"
"Yeah"
"I'm a ol skool and a new skool gangsta at the same damn time. What's your magic spells ma?"
"I can disappear."
"You disappear from gangstas?"
"Yeah"

So later on, we meet at the dancefloor where I am the god. Had the axe spray in my pocket for two reasons.
1) To smell fresh when theres pussy around and it shows I do my own shit.
2) To make her think thats my dick.

We made out, dadada. And like when I left the party I noticed she texted me some cute shit. Cause I told her too. A good way to gauge if a girl is going to holler at you later, is by telling her "Text me something cool/cute (whatever your style is)". Her response will tell you what's up.

She texted me back liking my dancing and calling me baby. But I FUCKED UP WHEN I LOST MY PHONE. I TEXTED SOME GAME SHIT, BUT MY SHITTY PHONE DECIDED TO COCKBLOCK ME BY DISAPPEARING.

How I could have fucked
Well. My problem now is always getting girls back at the spot. I can makeout with shorties if my swag is right, but like what the hell!? Getting them home is the hardest part for me night-game wise.

But its the day-time now and although my phone is fucked up, I can message (NOT ADD) shorty on Facebook. I'll just be less direct than I was last night.

Lessons LRNED
* GET AN IPHONE 5 AND DECK IT OUT SO THEY KNOW IM THE BEST ON THIS CAMPUS. U.S. SHORTIES LOVE IPHONES.
*On a serious note, where can I get an unlocked iPhone5 at a nice price? I kind of need it for some cool things.
* Why text girls? Get her phone # & facebook and tell her some smooth shit so you can holler at her during the day.
* Game can be transitioned. You can turn your night game into daygame with a girl if you just get at her right.
* Talking with homies about your night is really a good way to relax your manster. Cause then you try to cover up the bullshit that happened and its fun to talk about!
* Ali-Beta is a cool dude guys. He's funny for voting the "HAHAHA ROSCA U CANT IRON" part on my previous thread. But if quality members work together, put our bullshit aside, and meet up on some secret social business shit.

[slubu]

Thanks basil for the shout out. What he deems the pit bull, I've been calling the Jimmy V method for a few years. Basically, don't give up, don't ever give up.

As crazy as it sounds, it fucking works. I've had multiple instances where just sticking around until the end resulted in a bang. Of course for all those times it works, there are many times it does not work. But still, stick it out and you will get times where it works: for example, my Oktoberfest success, the German and her dad, the Chicago furniture move, and the Saturday night persistence fest to name a few.

In some sense, I think girls are like guys. In that every girl has an ideal, but towards the end of the night there is a spectrum of guys she'll go for. And in a way, they reward persistence.

But like everyone, I mess up as well. Ironically this was at the same place/night as basil's story:

What happened:
Met an okay girl at the bar during Halloween weekend, was talking with her, she bought me a drink, her friends left and she decided to stay back. I did not go for the kiss at the bar, we walked outside and she said she lived only a few minutes away. I asked if she had anything to drink and she said no, and I couldn't come up with a good excuse to walk back with her.

What I could've done to get the lay:
Been more aggressive physically at the bar, get the makeout in at least. I'm starting to think for dates, follow Tuth's recipe of no makeouts, but for SNLs maybe you need to get a makeout in?

Second, I should have either just started walking with her back or said something like I'll just walk you home and call a cab. I don't get #'s anymore really as I'm going for the bang, so getting the # was not an option. Plus she was not cute enough to waste time dating.

General takeaway lessons:
Get the makeout in. Start walking home with her unless she physically stops you or verbally tells you to not come along. Latch on like the pit bull that you are until you are forcibly removed.

[rationalize_this]

(11-04-2012 09:40 PM)slubu Wrote:  

Thanks basil for the shout out. What he deems the pit bull, I've been calling the Jimmy V method for a few years. Basically, don't give up, don't ever give up.

As crazy as it sounds, it fucking works. I've had multiple instances where just sticking around until the end resulted in a bang. Of course for all those times it works, there are many times it does not work. But still, stick it out and you will get times where it works: for example, my Oktoberfest success, the German and her dad, the Chicago furniture move, and the Saturday night persistence fest to name a few.

In some sense, I think girls are like guys. In that every girl has an ideal, but towards the end of the night there is a spectrum of guys she'll go for. And in a way, they reward persistence.

But like everyone, I mess up as well. Ironically this was at the same place/night as basil's story:

What happened:
Met an okay girl at the bar during Halloween weekend, was talking with her, she bought me a drink, her friends left and she decided to stay back. I did not go for the kiss at the bar, we walked outside and she said she lived only a few minutes away. I asked if she had anything to drink and she said no, and I couldn't come up with a good excuse to walk back with her.

What I could've done to get the lay:
Been more aggressive physically at the bar, get the makeout in at least. I'm starting to think for dates, follow Tuth's recipe of no makeouts, but for SNLs maybe you need to get a makeout in?

Second, I should have either just started walking with her back or said something like I'll just walk you home and call a cab. I don't get #'s anymore really as I'm going for the bang, so getting the # was not an option. Plus she was not cute enough to waste time dating.

General takeaway lessons:
Get the makeout in. Start walking home with her unless she physically stops you or verbally tells you to not come along. Latch on like the pit bull that you are until you are forcibly removed.

I don't like this thread because my game is kind of anti-pitbull. Its more of a smooth process that results in a lay, not really waiting around for it. Warm her up enough and the girl knows what she wants, I know what I want, and the result is inevitable. No beef though as I've seen this work for other cats on more than one occasion.

On another note? Why didn't you suggest movie at her place? Maybe quick insta date for pizza/food? Or maybe cab quick to a gas station to pick up a cheap bottle of wine then head to her place? Maybe get to her place then order delivery in?
Why not quick kiss and spin move in the street on way to her place to establish more comfort?
Smoother transitions can maybe bypass this "stick it out" type game. Just a thought.

[Basil Ransom]

(11-04-2012 10:32 PM)rationalize_this Wrote:  

I don't like this thread because my game is kind of anti-pitbull. Its more of a smooth process that results in a lay, not really waiting around for it. Warm her up enough and the girl knows what she wants, I know what I want, and the result is inevitable. No beef though as I've seen this work for other cats on more than one occasion.

I don't even think it's a matter of 'different strokes for different folks.' IMO, 'pit bull' game is the only game in town, under certain conditions: you met an American girl out drinking at night, and she's in her late teens to mid 20s. This girl will probably not return your texts/calls if you got her number and no bang. And unlike an older woman, she probably won't play it straight with you and make the bang a simple yes/no proposition.

[Hotwheels]

Two more strippers. Didn't get them warmed up enough even though they know I pulled their "friend" Friday night.

Got too gassed watching all the football today

[Johnny Football]

Identical Twin, probably would of been my hottest or second hottest notch ever. Was teasing and shit the whole night but I fucked it up from being over intoxicated. Had her in bed and everything but got liquor blocked, ahah.

Shit Happens. On to the next one!

[slubu]

(11-04-2012 10:32 PM)rationalize_this Wrote:  

I don't like this thread because my game is kind of anti-pitbull. Its more of a smooth process that results in a lay, not really waiting around for it. Warm her up enough and the girl knows what she wants, I know what I want, and the result is inevitable. No beef though as I've seen this work for other cats on more than one occasion.

On another note? Why didn't you suggest movie at her place? Maybe quick insta date for pizza/food? Or maybe cab quick to a gas station to pick up a cheap bottle of wine then head to her place? Maybe get to her place then order delivery in?
Why not quick kiss and spin move in the street on way to her place to establish more comfort?
Smoother transitions can maybe bypass this "stick it out" type game. Just a thought.

There are more than enough times where the smooth process works and I've implemented that too. Hang out, be cool whether on a date or at a bar or what not. But sometimes you have to play to your target. Is she young and wasted and has ADD and can't figure out what's going on and loves to flirt with everyone? pitbull Is she with cockblocking friends who want to party all night, or with her dad per se that you can't do anything but be completely platonic and hang around until he/they leave? pitbull Etc.

On your second part, all those would have been good ideas. But one of my problems is I almost get too honest when I don't care about a girl that much. This one was a 6.5 and so I was almost too direct with my indirect question of alcohol at her place. That, coupled with the fact of a bar full of girls I could just walk back into made it hard to put forth too much effort.

[rationalize_this]

(11-05-2012 12:47 AM)basilransom Wrote:  

(11-04-2012 10:32 PM)rationalize_this Wrote:  

I don't like this thread because my game is kind of anti-pitbull. Its more of a smooth process that results in a lay, not really waiting around for it. Warm her up enough and the girl knows what she wants, I know what I want, and the result is inevitable. No beef though as I've seen this work for other cats on more than one occasion.

I don't even think it's a matter of 'different strokes for different folks.' IMO, 'pit bull' game is the only game in town, under certain conditions: you met an American girl out drinking at night, and she's in her late teens to mid 20s. This girl will probably not return your texts/calls if you got her number and no bang. And unlike an older woman, she probably won't play it straight with you and make the bang a simple yes/no proposition.

Completely agree with this assessment of the American mid 20s girl. That's why your game just has to be that much sharper, that much smoother. These attention whores can sense neediness better than spidey-sense. Hanging around her like a pitbull and following her out the bar, to her house, to get food, only places you into the thirsty/needy category even if you had been giving off an alpha vibe up to that point.

The most powerful move you can use on these chicks is nonchalance. Act like the pussy doesn't matter. That's their only bargaining chip! Act like you have multiple booty call options for the night and your thirst for her is mediocre at best. Subcommunicate a sexual vibe, but playfully, not thirstily.

How many times have you opened these girls and they're talking about how some guy their into isn't texting them back. This drives them NUTS. I can't even begin to tell you the amount of times I got laid from hot chicks simply because I didn't give a fuck, or had something in the oven already.

But by not leading, and trying to stick around until the end, is a losing strategy with high quality girls in my experience. These girls aren't stupid, they know what your angle is. Therefore its better to communicate this sexual intention from the beginning, and if you pull the right moves, at the right times, things will fall into place. We all know girls want to be "swept off their feet" and the best way to combat the hamster is rock solid logistics that don't give her time to rationalize anything. Unless the girl is intoxicated, I don't see this game working on hot chicks. Best case scenario, you share a bed and get a dry handy. Taking too long and submitting to her frame KILLS sexual attraction, not to to mention it lowers value.

The instant you appear indecisive, is the second the hamster revs up, and pussy dries up.

[Basil Ransom]

(11-05-2012 11:09 AM)rationalize_this Wrote:  

(11-05-2012 12:47 AM)basilransom Wrote:  

(11-04-2012 10:32 PM)rationalize_this Wrote:  

I don't like this thread because my game is kind of anti-pitbull. Its more of a smooth process that results in a lay, not really waiting around for it. Warm her up enough and the girl knows what she wants, I know what I want, and the result is inevitable. No beef though as I've seen this work for other cats on more than one occasion.

I don't even think it's a matter of 'different strokes for different folks.' IMO, 'pit bull' game is the only game in town, under certain conditions: you met an American girl out drinking at night, and she's in her late teens to mid 20s. This girl will probably not return your texts/calls if you got her number and no bang. And unlike an older woman, she probably won't play it straight with you and make the bang a simple yes/no proposition.

Completely agree with this assessment of the American mid 20s girl. That's why your game just has to be that much sharper, that much smoother. These attention whores can sense neediness better than spidey-sense. Hanging around her like a pitbull and following her out the bar, to her house, to get food, only places you into the thirsty/needy category even if you had been giving off an alpha vibe up to that point.

The most powerful move you can use on these chicks is nonchalance. Act like the pussy doesn't matter. That's their only bargaining chip! Act like you have multiple booty call options for the night and your thirst for her is mediocre at best. Subcommunicate a sexual vibe, but playfully, not thirstily.

How many times have you opened these girls and they're talking about how some guy their into isn't texting them back. This drives them NUTS. I can't even begin to tell you the amount of times I got laid from hot chicks simply because I didn't give a fuck, or had something in the oven already.

But by not leading, and trying to stick around until the end, is a losing strategy with high quality girls in my experience. These girls aren't stupid, they know what your angle is. Therefore its better to communicate this sexual intention from the beginning, and if you pull the right moves, at the right times, things will fall into place. We all know girls want to be "swept off their feet" and the best way to combat the hamster is rock solid logistics that don't give her time to rationalize anything. Unless the girl is intoxicated, I don't see this game working on hot chicks. Best case scenario, you share a bed and get a dry handy. Taking too long and submitting to her frame KILLS sexual attraction, not to to mention it lowers value.

The instant you appear indecisive, is the second the hamster revs up, and pussy dries up.

No. Like I said, for a novice, pitbull game can be hard to pull off without seeming creepy or needy. And if she is legit not interested in fucking you, pitbull game won't help.

For instance, for a recent SNL of mine, the girl walked away from me after talking for a good while. Her friend dragged her away or some shit. Outside prospects in the bar were looking thin. I reapproached the original girl and her friend, and basically locked on to her. I didn't stand two inches away from her from then on, I even got separated once or twice. And I played it cool. But I stayed conscious of where she was, and whether she was or could leaving. Her friend ended up leaving without her, and I badgered her into accepting a ride home from me. Once we arrived at her house, sex was a foregone conclusion. There was zero resistance. I also didn't try to bang her as quickly as possible, once I got in the house - I chatted with her friend a bit, etc This sounds a little disjointed, I can do a more detailed writeup later.

My basic point is just because a girl wants to bang you, it doesn't mean she's going to leap over every logistical obstacle to make it happen, just the opposite. She will enlist each and every one of those obstacles as a reason NOT to bang you. Once all those obstacles are gone (you're at her place, her friends are asleep, there's no one else to party with, etc), she will let you escalate. And because she wouldn't return your calls/texts without banging first, pitbull game is your only shot for the bang and seeing her again.

I believe Roosh analogized it to a line - every attractive girl has a line of men trying to bang her. By banging her, you jump to the head of the line. Bang her well, and she puts up the velvet rope and lets no one but you get past it. If you don't bang her, you'll get stuck in line as other guys jump ahead, because they talked to her more recently, or even moreso, they banged her.

I'm also not addressing this to girls who you already know - this is for girls who are strangers, who will likely NEVER talk to you again if you don't bang them. Nonchalance is fruitless under those circumstances. I agree, you must *seem* nonchalant.

It's like if you were a car salesman. The girl is looking for a unique car, and you have it. When you show some misgivings about selling it to her, you set a high price, she gets antsy, because she can't get this car elsewhere. Nonchalance is king.

But... You aren't unique. She'll have another dude vying for her attention in 5 minutes. You're utterly replaceable. You being non-responsive won't elicit any response from her two days later, when other men have captured her attention. Ignoring you is completely painless, because she's already got other men lining up. An air of nonchalance is essential, but it won't get you to the finish line. Of course, this approach is only for night game, not day or online game.

[Pioneer 11]

Well said Basil. A lot of times with girls you just met it becomes "Survival of the fittest" game. As the night winds down it becomes "Last man standing" game (especially if friends are involved) and to the victor go the spoils= poontang. An experienced warrior, focused on the task at hand, realizes this (even welcomes it) and knows that he will not throw in the towel until every possible avenue into her cooz has been exhausted.

[Veloce]

I think something that's important to reveal here is that Basil, slubu and myself are located in Los Angeles. Rationalize this, where are you?

I've never gamed outside of L.A. but one thing I've heard that exemplifies this place is flakiness. I know it's normal in our culture to collect numbers and only a few of those filter out into bangs, but here it's just ridiculous. The reason for that is L.A. has the worst logistics out of any of the major cities. This place is simply too far spread out that there's no incentive whatsoever for a girl to meet up since, "It's too far."

I would not say that pitbull game is part of a "repertoire". In this city, for SNLs, it's pretty much requisite.

[Basil Ransom]

I see it like this:

A girl is handing out a prize at 3 AM.

If you are not there to receive it, you forfeit your rights to her prize. You won't receive it.

If there is no one there at 3 AM to receive her prize, nobody gets her prize.

Will you be there at 3 AM to receive her prize?

Related: In my experience, on a night out, young girls will not fuck you until they have nothing better to do. They will not fuck you until they have no drugs left to do, no parties or after-parties to go to, and no bars to visit, because they've closed. It's not that she doesn't want to fuck you, she's just not going to sacrifice everything else on the menu to do it. So if you stick around until she has nothing left, your chances of getting the bang are much higher. This is also why I don't think an early last call is such a bad thing, at least in my city.

Am I oversimplifying? Probably. But, swallowing my pride and seeing things like this makes me act in a way that gets me laid more.

In addition to what thedude said about flakiness, I see a couple other factors:

*People's or girls' lack of integrity. They don't feel much need to honor commitments they've made, so they're apt to bail when they think they can do something better with their time.

*ADD. You were cool in person, but two days later, ten miles away, her memory of you is rapidly fading, you're no longer compelling enough for her to pry herself away from her TV/Twitter/Facebook for a couple drinks and a bang. Maybe girls are so inundated with sensations and stimuli that their encounters with people just don't seem as interesting, especially for a stranger they're 'not sure' is actually cool, because they only met them once.

While these factors may be more prominent in L.A., I see all cities heading in this direction. More technology, more social atomization, girls showing less of a sense of integrity or obligation to treat men with respect, etc.

[rationalize_this]

I'm in Miami and I can agree some of these concepts do hold true with the American girls here. Especially this:

" just because a girl wants to bang you, it doesn't mean she's going to leap over every logistical obstacle to make it happen, just the opposite. She will enlist each and every one of those obstacles as a reason NOT to bang you. Once all those obstacles are gone (you're at her place, her friends are asleep, there's no one else to party with, etc), she will let you escalate. And because she wouldn't return your calls/texts without banging first, pitbull game is your only shot for the bang and seeing her again."

But my style is just different. I don't have the spread out issue you cats have to deal with in LA. I managed to lock down a pad with a killer view 5 minute walk away from the bars and restaurants in Brickell. Not only that, a lot of the clientele that frequent these places often live in nearby highrises. I've even met girls that lived in my same building out sometimes. Imagine how easy this is. Girl asks "where do you live?" You point to a nearby building in the skyline.

It gets even easier. The ones that aren't from Brickell and drive from other places often haven't experienced or seen the views around here, or know about the best spots. Lead, show them around, promise the non existing brunch you don't intend to follow through on, and its game over. Their only reservations are usually whether their car is safe overnight. So far I've paid for girls parking in the morning 4x since the summer (Was this beta?).

As far as number accumulating goes? I don't even bother asking for American girls numbers anymore. I reserve this for the conservative latinas I can tell won't put out that night, but I may pull a makeout or microescalation with. They are often less nonsense, and you can use less strong of a frame with them without worrying about coming off beta. (maybe this is the blonde blue eyes talking).

"You aren't unique. She'll have another dude vying for her attention in 5 minutes. You're utterly replaceable."

I can't agree with this. My game is fashioned around making such a strong impression, and being so polar opposite of any guy she's met up to this point that you BETTER BELIEVE she's going to think I'm unique. I may be replaceable on her time, but not on my time. I can't begin to tell you how many girls I've number closed, and put on the backburner in the past 2 months who will now agree to a date with me that much later in time. Be like her, juggle girl after girl after girl until you can fit her in at your leisure.

Miami girls can be JUST AS FLAKY. I've been through it, look at some of my frustrations on the "I just got flaked on the thread". This is what in part inspired me to up my texting game and create the "Text game Re Vamped" Thread. Which I think deserves revisiting. Any and all tactics should be exhausted in order to get these girls to the venue. That being said, I'll reiterate again, rock solid logistics and smooth transitions will placate the hamster and eliminate the need for pitbull game. But if you're in spread out cities with shit logistics, then good luck to you fellas and chomp away.

[slubu]

It is rather funny, I'd say when pitbull is implemented and you do get to the finish line, there is rarely any resistance. It's like she rewards your persistence by just giving in. Or maybe she's just as tired as I am and doesn't want to go through the whole song and dance for an hour before she has sex, so she'll just do it right then.

On that Saturday night example I linked above, I was utterly replaceable as Basil puts it. As I was literally walking with her she'd stop and talk to other guys and get lost. Funny thing was those guys did all kind of look like me, so at least she had a style she liked. Anyway, I acted as if I ran into her at the end of the night and after a whole night of driving etc. we finally were alone and banged immediately.