Quote: (10-25-2012 04:14 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:
Quote: (10-25-2012 03:52 PM)Scarlet_Terror Wrote:
Hugo Chavez is a corrupt shitbag who is destroying his country's ecnomy with his massive nationalization schemes. Figures the left would idolize a dictator like that. Prez4life.
That's why he keeps winning legitimate elections that are cleaner, fairer, and more verifiable than US elections.
Our system--where corporations own everything and everyone in the government--is far more corrupt. Especially because we live under the illusion that it's the paragon of "freedom."
Venezuela was a money-concentrated-in-a-few-hands shithole before Chavez came around--basically an extreme version of the way the US is going. Ain't nothing wrong with spreading the wealth a bit for the betterment of society as a whole (no one, for example, benefits from a bunch of sick-ass people in the street). You can't impose your North American, right-wing celebration of plutocracy on South American, post-colonial realities.
All of the anti-Chavez propaganda originates from these powerful and vocal former oligarchs, who remain rich, but whose cash flow slowed down slightly. US elites, meanwhile, are becoming increasing anxious of the growing ascendancy of South American republics. I love how presidents in this country call Chavez a dictator, when he was more legitimately elected than they were--with bigger mandates and margins.
Stop repeating the shaky-or-no-evidence anti-Chavez propaganda. You're doing the bidding of elites who are pissed their 500-year golden age is coming to an end.
So true.
Americans hate anybody draped in red and from what I have learned Ex-pacts whom flee from countries like Cuba, Iran, Venezuela, Libya have zero credibility. All these Ex-pacts are based from Silver spoon families whom we're Oligarchs in their old land and raped and pillage of the backs of their fellow Countrymen.
Canadian-Libyans on there BMWs and Mercedes screaming for NATO airstrikes which end-up killing tens of thousands and plunging Libya into nothing more then a failed state. They run back to their mansion only happy the man that ran them out (Gadaffi) is dead in the ground. Where are they know trying to raise money to help out their failed country? Hypocrites.
Venezuela was a corrupt dump before Chavez and though I don't agree 100% with Chavez and though I do think he is to far left on his policies he is better then what was before him.
The people we call dictators (Chavez, or Gadaffi) actually have more limited powers or we're elected more cleanly then USA Leaders. Its Bloody ironic. We call Chavez a dictator when he is voted in more fair and free elections than our own, we call Assad a tyrant when the majority of Libyans have voted in twice on reforms, we called Gadaffi a Dictator when he had no super-ceding powers, only one vote in a Congress of almost 1,000 people. With the whole Country able to vote out anything they did not like.
It does not help that we fund and support are supposed Dictators opposition. In Venezuela, and Russia America helped fund and create opposition movements that most likely we're quite small or never even existed because come election time they get trumped in the polls each and every time (Google the National Endowment for Democracy which was a CIA front created by Reagan so he could funnel money to throw elections in Countries the USA did not like). The NED help fuel the Coup-attempt in Venezuela a few years back... who's really the tyrant?
Its the illusion and spin of choice. The West casts these leaders in dark light when in reality they have more democratic freedoms then we do. Most leaders don't have the executive power that Obama does. Nor do they have a single-pole Media, nor do they have top oligarchs whom literally control the election process from start to finish.
Its classic tactics to make others look worse to give the impression your doing better.
WE ARE IN THE SHACKLE AND CHAINS.
Venezuelans though living modest lives have a smile on their face they get cash and food. though I don't agree with it they are fucking happy. How many Americas are truly happy with their lives?
Chavez has made his people to dependent on him that is what I don't like. And the business scenario is somewhat iffy but I am all for State Industries to enrich its own people. This is a view far from socialism it is a view of being a realistic and rational mind. Why should I get a Multi-national to short-change me when I can develop and sell the shit myself and reap all the profits for my country.
